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Post by snufkin on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:13 pm

So more on the origins in screwball, there are copies of the Kasdan's draft of the script and the bits between Han and Leia are way more DTF

Rieekan touches Han and moves away.  Han turns to
Leia.

HAN
(with feeling)
I guess this is it, Your Highness.

Leia is angry.  Han sees she has no warmth to offer
him.  He shakes his head and adopts a cooler tone.

HAN
Well, don't get all mushy on me.
So long, Princess.

Han walks away.  Leia stews a moment, then follows him.

15 INT ICE CORRIDOR - REBEL BASE - HOTH 15

Han strides down a corridor carved from the ice.  Leia
follows quickly, agitated.  Behind them, unnoticed, an
appendage of a Wampa Ice Monster suddenly detaches from
a seemingly solid section of ice wall.

LEIA

Han!

Han stops in the quiet corridor and turns to face Leia.

HAN
Yes, Your Highness?

LEIA
You said you were going to stay.
What happened?

HAN
That bounty hunter we ran into
on Ord Mantell changed my mind.

LEIA
Does Luke know?

HAN
He'll know when he gets back ...
Don't give me that look.  Every
day more bounty hunters are
searching for me.  If I don't
pay off Jabba soon, there'll be
too many to stop ... Remotes,
Gank killers, and who knows what
else.  I've got to get that price
off my head while I still have a head.

LEIA
Han, we need you here.

HAN
We?

LEIA
Yes.

HAN
Not you?

LEIA
(mystified)
Me?  I don't know what you mean.

HAN
(shakes his head, fed-up)
You probably don't.  How could
you?  You're so terrified of your
own emotions ...

LEIA
And what are they, pray tell?

HAN
You want me to stay because of
the way you feel about me.

LEIA
I respect you.  You're a bold
fighter, maybe not the brightest,
but ...
HAN
No, your worship.. That's not
what I'm talking about.

Leia stares at him, understands, then laughs.

LEIA
You're imagining things.

Han has had it with this broad.  He steps closer.
Leia is almost against the wall.  Han puts a hand
against the wall to cut off any retreat.

HAN
Am I?  I say you came running
after me because you were afraid
I was leaving you without even a
kiss.

LEIA
I'd just as soon kiss a wookiee.

HAN
There's no accounting for taste.
Believe me, you could use a good
kiss.
(warming to the subject)
You've spent so much time doing
your duty and giving orders you've
never learned how to be a woman.
It's a shame, because you've got
all the makings for one.  I could
have helped you plenty in that
department ... if you'd have let
go for a minute.  But it's too
late now, sweetheart.  Your big
opportunity is flying out of here.

LEIA
We are fighting for a cause much ...

HAN
Spare me please!  Don't tell me
about the Rebellion again.  I've
had it with your noble mission.
All you let yourself think about
is the Rebellion.  The result is
you're as cold as this planet.

LEIA
And you think you're the one to
apply some heat?

HAN
Sure ... If I were interested.
But I don't think it'd be much fun.

He steps away from her, takes a last cool appraisal.

HAN (Continued)
We'll meet again.  Maybe you'll
have grown up a little by then.

LEIA
You have all the breeding of a
Bantha, but not as much class ...
Enjoy your trip, hot shot!

Leia walks away.


NT MAIN HANGAR DECK - MILLENNIUM FALCON - REBEL BASE 61

Han finishes his work and hops down to the hangar floor.
He pulls out his com-link, all the time eyeing the lifters.

HAN
(into com-link)
All right, Chewie, give it a try.

Leia passes, giving Han a dirty look.  A mechanism on
the pirate's ship makes a noise and the lifters begin
to rise.  Suddenly there is a malfunction and the
right lifter breaks partially loose, swinging down with
a crash.  Han winces.  Leia, across the hangar, turns
at the sound and shoots Han a "What a screw-up!" look,
then goes out.


HAN
Asteroids!  Chewie, bank left,
let's find out where they're
coming from ...

LEIA
Probably an asteroid field ....

HAN
Let's hope so ... it's just the
chance we need.

LEIA
To get killed ... you're not
seriously going into an asteroid
field?

HAN
Aren't I?  Hang on, sweetheart.
We're gonna do some flyin'.

Another asteroid thumps against the ship.  Leia winces.

LEIA
You don't have to do this to
impress me.


The ship begins a violent motion.  Chewie HOWLS.

HAN
Hang on!  Watch out.

The jolting movement throws Leia across the cabin into
Han's arms.  The motion stops as suddenly as it started.
Han and Leia realize they are in each others arms.  The
pirate grins down at the girl.  Chewie watches the
embrace with inscrutable interest.

HAN
Why, Princess, this is so sudden.

LEIA
Very funny.  You can let go now
.... I'm getting angry.

HAN
You don't look angry.

LEIA
How do I look?

HAN
(with feeling)
Beautiful.

Leia flushes, averts her eyes.  She's not exactly
fighting to get free.  But, of course, Han blows it ...

HAN
And excited.

The anger rises in Leia.

LEIA
Sorry, Captain, being held by you
isn't enough to get me excited.

HAN
Well, I hope you don't expect more.

LEIA
I don't expect anything, except to
be left alone.

HAN
Fine with me.  But I'm afraid you'll
have to let go.

Han has lifted his arms lightly away, which makes it
very clear that Leia has, in fact, been returning his
embrace.  Leia realizes this and steps back, embarrassed
and angry.  Her words are measured.

LEIA
Don't you think it's time we got
to work on your ship ...

She turns and leaves the cockpit.  Han turns to his
faithful Wookiee, who's been watching all this with
Threepio.


Leia finishes welding the valve she's been working on.
She attempts to reengage the system by pulling on a
lever attached to the valve.  It doesn't budge.  Han
notices her struggle, and moves to help her.  She
rebuffs him.

HAN
Easy, your worship.  Only trying
to help.

LEIA
(still struggling)
Would you please stop calling
me that?

Han hears a new tone in her voice.  He watches her pull
on the lever.

HAN
Sure.  I guess I make it difficult
sometimes.

LEIA
Yes, you do.

HAN
You could be a touch warmer,
though.
(he watches her reaction)
Admit it, against your better
judgment you think I'm all right.

She lets go of the lever and rubs her sore hand.

LEIA
(a little smile, haltingly)
Sometimes, maybe ... occasionally,
when you aren't acting like a
scoundrel.

HAN
(laughs)
That's quite a compliment.

With that, Han takes her hand, turns it over and presses
his lips into her palm.

LEIA
Stop that.

HAN
Why?

Leia is flushed, confused.

LEIA
My hands are dirty.

Han kisses her hand again.  Leia yanks it away and
steps back.  She can only move a few feet in the cramped
space, but Han does not follow her.

HAN
What are you afraid of?

LEIA
Afraid of?  Certainly not you
Captain Solo ... or any other
man in this galaxy.

Han looks at her with a piercing look.  He's never
looked handsomer, more dashing, more confident.  He
reaches out slowly and takes Leia's hand again from
where it is resting on a console.  He draws it toward
him.

HAN
Then why are you trembling?

Then, with an irresistible combination of physical
strength and emotional power, the space pirate begins
to draw Leia toward him ... very slowly.

HAN
You know what I think?  I think
you like me because I'm a scoundrel.
I think you haven't run into enough
scoundrels in your life.

Leia is now very close and the following exchange takes
place as their faces draw even nearer.  Leia's voice is
and excited whisper, in complete opposition to what she's
saying.

LEIA
Don't count on it.  I happen to
like nice men.

HAN
Sure, they're safer.  You always
know what they're going to do.
Trouble is, it gets a little dull.

LEIA
There's nothing dull about a man
I can depend on to be civilized.

HAN
You mean a man you can control.

LEIA
I do not!

HAN
Try and control this ...

He kisses her now, with slow hot lips.  He takes his
time, as though he had forever, bending her body back-
ward.  She has never been kissed like this before, and
it almost makes her faint.  When he stops, she regains
her breath and tries to work up some indignation, but
finds it hard to talk.

LEIA
You're wrong ... This isn't what ...
(he begins to kiss her again)
... not what I .... want ....

His mouth stops her.  A swimming giddiness spins her
around until, before she knows it, she is kissing him
back.  Finally, Han breaks the kiss and looks at her.
They stand there for a moment looking at each other.
Leia is totally, frantically confused by her feelings.
First with her eyes, then with her body, she withdraws,
detaches from Han.  She slips from his arms and hurries
from the cabin.

Han stares after her thoughtfully, then turns his
attention to the stuck lever.  He gives it a confident,
mighty pull.  It doesn't budge.


INT LIVING QUARTERS - CLOUD CITY - DAY - BESPIN 360

Sunlight pours through the skylight in a large art-deco
living area onto which four apartments open.  Han
slouches in a lounge chair with his feet on a table.
He aims his blaster at a glow globe and makes a firing
sound with his tongue.  He turns to see Leia standing
in the doorway to her apartment.

Han is knocked out by the sight.  He holsters his
blaster distractedly as he ogles the radiant Leia.  She
has changed from her cold weather pants and jacket to a
lovely dress.  Her hair is up, tied with ribbons.

LEIA
What are you staring at?

HAN
(ga-ga)
Who's staring?

LEIA
You look silly.

HAN
You look great.

LEIA
(embarrassed)
Has Threepio turned up yet?

HAN
Huh?  Oh.  Your droid's been gone
too long just to be lost.  He may
have gotten into some trouble.
Chewie went to look for him.
(he pats a spot on his lounge)
Come over here.  I want to check
this out.

Leia thinks it over a moment, then walks over and
settles next to Han, who's overjoyed with her apparent
pliancy.  he's about to envelop her when she throws on
the ice water ...

LEIA
I hope Luke made it to the fleet
all right.

HAN
Luke!  I'm sure he's fine.  Probably
sitting around wondering what we're
doing right now.

Han puts his arm around her.  They are ready to kiss.
The door zaps open.  
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Post by Krafty on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 11:37 pm

After watching the OT over again (which I haven't done since I was 12) What I find interesting is the concept of time in reference to the epic  central romances, Han/Leia and Ani/Padmé.
I'm going to use Han and Leia as an example, because I like them.
Three years have gone by from the moment they meet in episode IV (where there is not a whole lot romancy wise unless you count Luke's obvious crush..) to episode V where things have actually bubbled up (I think that's right...If I'm wrong, help me out!). Not much focus was put onto them in terms of us getting to see how their attraction grew and began to yank on both of them as time passed. Its feels accelerated but appropriately pointed out by epV. **Which is absolutely fine** because in epV it was pretty clear where things were going once things got rolling. Ok, I'm a millennial on the younger side, so to be completely honest I would have really enjoyed some more push-pull flirty stuff in between IV and V because I'm a sucker for it. But for the sake of time I see how that doesn't jive. Moving on.

Now, with there being no time skip from VII to VIII, presumably more emphases will be put on Rey and Kylo's dynamics to establish an angsty and charged space flirtation. Something I felt like I was missing in the OT.

But the bottom line? Time. Time together, time to see Rey and Kylo interacting and gauge their chemistry is very telling and is a strong visual aid. This in direct comparison to the sort of fast tracking romance and time jump from epIV to V, where Han and Leia I'd assume spend a reasonable amount of time together -but is never shown, is interesting to me.

I feel it's important to point out this is just my opinion, and I have zero stuff against the OT.
This is just the irrelevant stuff I find fascinating Wink and its my current midnight muse.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 11:47 pm

@Krafty wrote:After watching the OT over again (which I haven't done since I was 12) What I find interesting is the concept of time in reference to the epic  central romances, Han/Leia and Ani/Padmé.
I'm going to use Han and Leia as an example, because I like them.
Three years have gone by from the moment they meet in episode IV (where there is not a whole lot romancy wise unless you count Luke's obvious crush..) to episode V where things have actually bubbled up (I think that's right...If I'm wrong, help me out!). Not much focus was put onto them in terms of us getting to see how their attraction grew and began to yank on both of them as time passed. Its feels accelerated but appropriately pointed out by epV. **Which is absolutely fine** because in epV it was pretty clear where things were going once things got rolling. Ok, I'm a millennial on the younger side, so to be completely honest I would have really enjoyed some more push-pull flirty stuff in between IV and V because I'm a sucker for it. But for the sake of time I see how that doesn't jive. Moving on.

Now, with there being no time skip from VII to VIII, presumably more emphases will be put on Rey and Kylo's dynamics to establish an angsty and charged space flirtation. Something I felt like I was missing in the OT.

But the bottom line? Time. Time together, time to see Rey and Kylo interacting and gauge their chemistry is very telling and is a strong visual aid. This in direct comparison to the sort of fast tracking romance and time jump from epIV to V, where Han and Leia I'd assume spend a reasonable amount of time together -but is never shown, is interesting to me.

I feel it's important to point out this is just my opinion, and I have zero stuff against the OT.
This is just the irrelevant stuff I find fascinating ;) and its my current midnight muse.

@Krafty

There's definitely a jump both in time and their interactions to go from their last scene together in the first movie:



to their first scene together in the next movie:



It wouldn't be very family friendly, but I always thought it'd be more plausible (and pretty funny) if they'd hooked up at some point between the two movies and she tries to act afterwards like nothing happened.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 11:52 pm

@snufkin wrote:
@Krafty wrote:After watching the OT over again (which I haven't done since I was 12) What I find interesting is the concept of time in reference to the epic  central romances, Han/Leia and Ani/Padmé.
I'm going to use Han and Leia as an example, because I like them.
Three years have gone by from the moment they meet in episode IV (where there is not a whole lot romancy wise unless you count Luke's obvious crush..) to episode V where things have actually bubbled up (I think that's right...If I'm wrong, help me out!). Not much focus was put onto them in terms of us getting to see how their attraction grew and began to yank on both of them as time passed. Its feels accelerated but appropriately pointed out by epV. **Which is absolutely fine** because in epV it was pretty clear where things were going once things got rolling. Ok, I'm a millennial on the younger side, so to be completely honest I would have really enjoyed some more push-pull flirty stuff in between IV and V because I'm a sucker for it. But for the sake of time I see how that doesn't jive. Moving on.

Now, with there being no time skip from VII to VIII, presumably more emphases will be put on Rey and Kylo's dynamics to establish an angsty and charged space flirtation. Something I felt like I was missing in the OT.

But the bottom line? Time. Time together, time to see Rey and Kylo interacting and gauge their chemistry is very telling and is a strong visual aid. This in direct comparison to the sort of fast tracking romance and time jump from epIV to V, where Han and Leia I'd assume spend a reasonable amount of time together -but is never shown, is interesting to me.

I feel it's important to point out this is just my opinion, and I have zero stuff against the OT.
This is just the irrelevant stuff I find fascinating Wink and its my current midnight muse.

@Krafty

There's definitely a jump both in time and their interactions to go from their last scene together in the first movie:



to their first scene together in the next movie:



It wouldn't be very family friendly, but I always thought it'd be more plausible (and pretty funny) if they'd hooked up at some point between the two movies and she tries to act afterwards like nothing happened.
@snufkin

I completely agree! I don't think I was aware of there being that much of a time jump as a kid (I'd always assumed that it was a few months between IV and V until I'd read that it was 3 years within the past few years).

It just doesn't make sense to me that a guy like Han Solo would wait 3 years to get together with any woman without at least a regretted-by-one-person hookup or something like that happening. In real life, that would actually be kind of pathetic.
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Post by Sylvia Snow on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 11:54 pm

@snufkin

In Leia's defense, it was supposed to be just a one night stand but it turn out to be something more. And Kylo is the result of it
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Post by snufkin on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 12:04 am

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@snufkin

I completely agree! I don't think I was aware of there being that much of a time jump as a kid (I'd always assumed that it was a few months between IV and V until I'd read that it was 3 years within the past few years).

It just doesn't make sense to me that a guy like Han Solo would wait 3 years to get together with any woman without at least a regretted-by-one-person hookup or something like that happening. In real life, that would actually be kind of pathetic.

@ISeeAnIsland

Yeah he doesn't seem like the type who'd spend 3 years nursing a crush. He'd be getting some side action from every woman in the RA, except for Leia (see? other option as to why she keeps giving him the brush off). You'd think one of the women in the group, like Mon Mothma, would've pulled her aside and told her that when you're leading an outgunned, plucky rebellion movement, there's nothing wrong with getting some NSA from that smuggler who seems pretty DTF. The two images I posted are definitely a jump from him being sarcastic and casually flirting with her to being seriously interested. She's probably the first woman he hasn't been able to easily sweet talk into bed (hmm, kind of like how Rey is probably the first person their son hasn't been able to intimidate/scare with his goth alter ego?).

@Sylvia Snow wrote:@snufkin

In Leia's defense, it was supposed to be just a one night stand but it turn out to be something more. And Kylo is the result of it

@Sylvia Snow

Hahaha! I did figure after a certain point in the movies, they probably were fooling around when they weren't on screen. The point in TFA that those two weren't exactly cut out for settling down into quiet family life, so the kid that resulted from that relationship wouldn't exactly be a chill personality

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Post by Rogue Rey on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 9:46 am

@vaderito wrote:@MedowofAshes

This is why I dislike both Anakin and Padme as characters. There are too many red flags to count but Padme for some reason I cannot fathom falls for the guy. And she enables him with lines like that, that's the worst part. He's a raging narcissist and egomaniac and she throws him a pity party for slaughtering a village of people including women and children. (Then completely gives up on life when she has two new children to care for - get outta here).

Padme knew Anakin since he was a cute little boy who had to leave his mother behind, and I think that she never shook off that image, which is very sympathetic image, until the very end. So it's possible that, when Anakin confessed about Sand People massacre, she didn't really believe him and thought he was only venting his grief and frustration:



After all, Rey saw Kylo kill his father and she knew Kylo only as her abductor and interrogator. So no reason to disbelieve or make mental excuses. OTOH, Padme knew Anakin as a sweet kid and young man of integrity, and this was only a very emotionally charged account of something that she didn't witness and didn't seem in character for the person she knew. So I think that her inadequate response was partly because she had doubts that he actually did it, like, "OK, he's very upset, understandably so, and I'll let him blow steam".

And speaking of my mother, I was explaining all the signs of Reylo after we watched TFA the other day. Anyway, she was asking about Ben Solo, what made him turn, etc. And conversation came around to how Rey and Kylo/Ben are two sides of the same coin, she brings out compassion in him, he was "weak and foolish like his father", his family really takes to Rey and my interpretation is she probably reminds them a lot of Ben when he was a boy. So from this information we can glean that Ben Solo was a compassionate individual. Indeed, he is "weak and foolish" with his compassion and I think there's a component of Rey reminding him of the boy/young man he has tried to destroy.

I totally read that when Rey was showing off as a skilled MF pilot, Han was reminded of Ben. And Kylo definitely meant compassion = weak and foolish.

Oh here's another Solo parallel. Han tells Finn women always find out the truth. Always. Sounds like something he learned from experience and probably a grain of wisdom imparted to his son. Now I contend there are already things to like about Kylo or that at least make him endearing - his mother's dry humor, his father's smirk (in fact, he seems his most likeable when he lets his family traits come through), but even if these don't endear one even reluctantly to Kylo, the one thing he really does have going for him is integrity. Snoke is the only character he lies, very poorly, to. He is honest with Rey. An interrogator would never tell a prisoner they have no idea where their friends are - they would say they've captured their friends and they've already given some information so the prisoner may as well confess. Or that they have their friends and if the prisoner doesn't talk their friends will get hurt. With Rey, Kylo has integrity, therefore we can assume Ben Solo has integrity. Indeed, as Pablo said, his bloodline is what makes Kylo interesting. When you start to notice all the traits that can probably be attributed to Ben Solo and therefore Ben's family, Kylo does become highly interesting.

Agreed and that's a great observation. It's also helluva tough job to bring this character to life, because there are several legacy characters that he has to resemble in various degrees. It's actually really interesting that he is such Solo during interrogation where one would expect him to be more like Anakin despite visual cues:

Infamous scene where Anakin Force chokes Padme (there are several angles of Anakin with stretched hand that was heavily mirrored in interrogation). This is where intimacy and bond between Anakin and Padme ends:



and (very intentionally) corresponding scene in TFA where intimacy and bond between Rey and Kylo begins:



Yet despite ROTS mirroring, the scene is also mirroring Han and Leia on Bespin with Kylo invading Rey's private space with infamous Solo staring at lips and smirking:





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BIB and isn't it funny that when he's doing his Han like space invading he just so happens to be talking about his Father!!! Laughing Laughing
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Post by Rogue Rey on Sun 18 Dec 2016, 10:33 am

Anyone seen this meta about musical similarities between Kylo and his grandfather:

http://reddishues.tumblr.com/post/135991843307/a-musical-analysis-of-kylo-rens-inner-struggle-in

Also is it just me or does a section of the 'Kylo Ren arrives at the battle' piece of music sound like Han and Leia's theme????  Skip to 1:42 to hear what I'm on about.





Perhaps I'm reading too much into it???  I don't know I'm not very good at reading music these days Sad
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Post by shii405 on Sat 24 Dec 2016, 11:46 pm

Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?
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Post by CienaRee on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 2:32 am

@shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?
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I think regardless of her being adopted many still see Leia as royalty even if she doesn't anymore so Kylo would technically be a prince but I'm not sure he has royal blood in him since Padme was appointed as queen of Naboo rather than inheriting it via royal blood/succession.

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Post by Guest on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 1:00 pm

@shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?
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To me he's royalty. Wink

But yeah I agree with what @cienaree said. I think it's no accident that he's made to look like a prince, and JJ even describes him as such.

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Post by snufkin on Sun 25 Dec 2016, 1:20 pm

There's a pretty deliberate social class distinction made between him and Rey, no matter what her origins turn out to be. The director and screenwriters are pretty clear (and it's mentioned in promotional press for TFA) that unlike the previous trilogies' female leads, she's not privileged and poor.
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Post by panki on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 3:36 pm

@shii405 wrote:Is Kylo Ren technically really a prince? Does he has a royal blood line? Leia was adopted by Organa. So, Padme was the one with royal blood? What do you guys think?
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This is a little complex but here is the canon answer.

Padme wasn't a royal....the royal house of Naboo elects a ruler every few years and normally it is a young girl (the ruler is helped by an advisory council).....so Padme was a former queen of Naboo but not a royal- she was selected as queen for her wisdom and statesmanship...the Naberries were regular citizens of Naboo (not even from the noble houses of Naboo like Palpatine)

Leia is a royal though she was adopted by Bail and Breha Organa.....this is clarified in Bloodline where the Elder Houses are discussed....one can be a royal and belong to the Elder Houses even if one is an adopted child.

Leia gave up the throne of the Alderaan system and her close friend Evaan Verlaine is the new Queen of the Alderaan system (although the planet Alderaan was destroyed, the remaining planets in the system continued to exist)....however, Leia remains a member of the Elder Houses and still can inherit a royal title. For example, the Governorship of Birren (which Leia declined in Bloodline).

So to answer the question...... Ben Solo is a royal but he isn't a prince unless he receives a title through inheritance sometime in the future and decides to keep it.

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Post by shii405 on Mon 26 Dec 2016, 11:36 pm

Woo~ thank you guys, for the detailed explanation! For me, Kylo is a royalty and a prince, then, haha
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Re: Kylo's lineage and romances that created him (Anidala, Hanleia)

Post by panki on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 12:30 am

@shii405 wrote:Woo~ thank you guys, for the detailed explanation! For me, Kylo is a royalty and a prince, then, haha
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Well, he always has the option of marrying a princess and becoming a prince *cough cough Anastasia* ..... Disney princesses get their titles this way.

I honestly hope he doesn't become a Prince.....otherwise he'll be stuck ruling a planet, not establishing a new order of force users with Rey (Leia anyway said he has no interest in titles in Bloodline)....I hope they leave ruling and administration to Finn and Poe....Count Dooku had to leave the jedi order to become Count of Serenno....Leia didn't pursue jedi training so she could help establish the new republic.....I really don't want that restrictive fate for Kylo.

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Post by panki on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 3:22 am

On the subject of Skywalker romances, I just noticed the similarity between the story of Anakin- Padme and the movie Blood and Sand (both the 1922 and 1941 versions)....impoverished and talented boy leaves for the big city to achieve his dream of being a great matador....becomes famous in ten years and marries the girl he loved from childhood.....fame gets to his head and despite his mother's warning, gets seduced by a scheming woman and gets into a sadomasochistic relationship with her (Palpatine in the PT).... he loses everything including his wife....finally he reconciles with his wife and dies in her arms (Luke in this case)....what is especially interesting is how much the wedding in the 1922 version resembles the wedding in AOTC, especially the bridal costume and the braid Valentino sports (it looks a little like a padawan braid).



Similarly, Han-Leia's romance reminds me a little of the Cary Grant comedies of the 1940s.



Since the movies of the 1940s seem to be the common theme running across the PT and OT, I wonder what genre a reylo romance would be?
Film Noir? Epic? Gangster movie? War movie (unlikely since this was sort of covered in RO)?

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Post by Irina de France on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 11:57 am

Well, honestly, don't ask me why, but I think all the new-gen actors (Daisy, John, Adam, Oscar, Domhnall, Gwen, even KMT) would look dang good in a Film Noir. Benicio del Toro playing a Man in Black according to MSW isn't helping either.

Back to the topic, I think Reylo might be more of an epic with some Film Noir elements:












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Post by motherofpearl1 on Thu 12 Jan 2017, 2:29 am

I've been listening to the old U2 track 'One'...
I've said this before but whenever I hear it now I keep thinking of Han's confrontation with his son on Starkiller. The words could be what Kylo feels towards his father.
"Did I disappoint you? Leave a bad taste in your mouth? Did you come here for forgiveness,did you come to raise the dead? It's too late,tonight, to drag the past out in the light. We're one,but we are not the same, we just hurt each other and then we'll do it again."
Bono wrote the song about a gay man rejected by his father, at least that's what I think. But the words simply mean a father unable to bond with his own child because he's different to him.
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