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Post by IoJovi on Tue 10 May 2016, 6:03 pm

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Sorry but as I said, if all we have are parallels like "here she do the same thing that Obi Wan do in a similar situation" I am sceptical. But we have Obi Wan voice during the vision, twice, and THIS is something different and more convincing.
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That's the part I'm really curious about. There's definitely callbacks all over the place, but I'm still on the fence yet if they're just callbacks or if they're actual clues. Although like I said before, my guess is that if they're related, it'll be a throwaway detail mentioned at the end after she's established herself as a person in her own right (built her own family and become the heroine of her own story).
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Chiasmus & Ring Composition. In TFA, Kenobi is the missing value. I will put a meta here about that, when I get a chance. The parallels are not "call backs"  Rey walks Obi Wan's footsteps, and Rey & the Saber follows Obi Wan's path. These are not callbacks but are narrative parallels. That is something completely different.  Please refer back to the article posted on Page 1, from huffing ton post.

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I agree with this 100%. There is a big difference between call backs and narrative parallels. Callbacks are homeages to the Original Trilogy that really don't affect the story one way or another. Narrative parallels are things the characters actually did to affect the story direction. Rey calling the MF Garbage = Callback to Luke Skywalker. Rey handing the lightsaber to Luke Skywalker = Narrative Parallel to Obi Wan.

It would also explain why the lightsaber called to her. Obi Wan held that saber in his possession for 19 years. Note that Maz says it does not belong to her, but calls to her (as in she has a purpose to bring it back to its rightful owner).
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Post by Darth Dementor on Tue 10 May 2016, 8:45 pm

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@IoJovi wrote:
@spacebaby45678 wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
@ZenBrainJam wrote:@Maria Antonietta
Sorry but as I said, if all we have are parallels like "here she do the same thing that Obi Wan do in a similar situation" I am sceptical. But we have Obi Wan voice during the vision, twice, and THIS is something different and more convincing.
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That's the part I'm really curious about. There's definitely callbacks all over the place, but I'm still on the fence yet if they're just callbacks or if they're actual clues. Although like I said before, my guess is that if they're related, it'll be a throwaway detail mentioned at the end after she's established herself as a person in her own right (built her own family and become the heroine of her own story).
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Chiasmus & Ring Composition. In TFA, Kenobi is the missing value. I will put a meta here about that, when I get a chance. The parallels are not "call backs"  Rey walks Obi Wan's footsteps, and Rey & the Saber follows Obi Wan's path. These are not callbacks but are narrative parallels. That is something completely different.  Please refer back to the article posted on Page 1, from huffing ton post.

@spacebaby45678

I agree with this 100%.  There is a big difference between call backs and narrative parallels.  Callbacks are homeages to the Original Trilogy that really don't affect the story one way or another.  Narrative parallels are things the characters actually did to affect the story direction.  Rey calling the MF Garbage = Callback to Luke Skywalker.  Rey handing the lightsaber to Luke Skywalker = Narrative Parallel to Obi Wan.    

It would also explain why the lightsaber called to her.  Obi Wan held that saber in his possession for 19 years.  Note that Maz says it does not belong to her, but calls to her (as in she has a purpose to bring it back to its rightful owner).  
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Nooooo. The lightsaber calls to her cause it's Kylo's. It's too good an innuendo to be diluted with Kenobi.
Also, maybe she does have a mission in helping him come back to light.

Of course, she could still be a Kenobi, but the symbolism (ahem) of the lightsaber calling to her should be related to the Skywalkers
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It doesn't necessarily mean one or the other; it can be both reasons, which makes it twice as better!

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Post by Gemini on Wed 11 May 2016, 12:50 am

The ending shows you why  it calls to her. It tells you why it called to her because of what she does with it for Luke.

It was obi wan talking to her through it not kylo ren, first thing obi wan tries to do is draw her to it by making a young Rey cry "no" he's trying to show her her past and who she is. Why would kylo ren do that when they have never met?

It calls to her because she must take it to Luke

Maz tells her to take it because she needs to bring Luke back

She also has to help kylo but it's not him pleading with her through the lightsaber I still think that's obi wan trying to show her what she has to do

Kenobi is by entwined with the skywalkers and when they need help he appears it only makes sense for his descendant to appear when they need help again
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Post by ZenBrainJam on Wed 11 May 2016, 2:23 am

We must make a clear distinction between callbacks (useless for this thread but fun to see of course) and parallels.
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Post by Maria Antonietta on Wed 11 May 2016, 2:29 am

"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
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Post by Gemini on Wed 11 May 2016, 2:56 am

A callback would be her using the mind trick

However it is tied In with the plot.. In order to get out of her predicament she uses a mind trick most commonly associated with obi wan

However other Jedi do this too so it's not unique to obi wan
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 3:53 am

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Post by ZenBrainJam on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:14 am

@Maria Antonietta wrote:"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
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No, she said that about Finn, and speaking with Han about Rey she asked "who is the girl?". So she doesn't know her at all (confirmed by Hidalgo in a tweet sometimes ago)

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Ok, but this is just a callback, or am I wrong?
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Post by Maria Antonietta on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:20 am

@ZenBrainJam wrote:
@Maria Antonietta wrote:"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
@Maria Antonietta

No, she said that about Finn, and speaking with Han about Rey she asked "who is the girl?". So she doesn't know her at all (confirmed by Hidalgo in a tweet sometimes ago)

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Ok, but this is just a callback, or am I wrong?
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Omg finn is a Kenobi lol!
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Post by Gemini on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:44 am

@ZenBrainJam wrote:
@Maria Antonietta wrote:"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
@Maria Antonietta

No, she said that about Finn, and speaking with Han about Rey she asked "who is the girl?". So she doesn't know her at all (confirmed by Hidalgo in a tweet sometimes ago)

@spacebaby45678

Ok, but this is just a callback, or am I wrong?
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Even if it's a callback they are all relevent if she is actually a kenobi

However the more solid parallels are important because it ties in with the narrative

I don't know if the above is a callback or not, it's tied in with the plot and it's something only obi wan does?
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Post by Gemini on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:58 am



That made me lol
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 6:26 am

Ok,  I am typing on my tablet while my pc is updating, it is hard for me.

This thread is for the enjoyment of the possibility of Rey being a Kenobi. The thread is not to PROVE anything. Once you try to prove there will be back and forth arguments which we are trying to avoid. 

So I don't want this thread to devolve into a debate on what is a call back in TFA & what is a narrative parallel. 

However, for clarification I show you the difference as it relates to TFA & JJ's style of direction. 

JJ does a  waltz of callback, callback,callback narrative parallel to misdirect the audience. 

During the escape on the MF Finn carries 3 call backs while Rey is actually doing a narrative kenobi parallel that effects the outcome of the plot

Finn finds the Luke jedi remote, looks at it and throws it away... making it meaningless moment - LUKE ANH
Finn gets choked by Chewie a la Lando  ESB
Finn turns on the creature chess table then quickly turns it off - CP30 ANH

All of these are simple call backs

Han. "If we don't fix the hyperdrive we will be blown in 1000 pieces" I am paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact qoute
Rey  fixes the hyperdrive by bypassing the compressor... this is a narrative parallel to Obi Wan in TPM...

If Rey didn't fix the hyperdrive, the plot could not haved moved forward .
This is a narrative parallel

I will post pics of Finn's call backs as soon as I am at my office desk


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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 6:28 am

@ZenBrainJam wrote:
@Maria Antonietta wrote:"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
@Maria Antonietta

No, she said that about Finn, and speaking with Han about Rey she asked "who is the girl?". So she doesn't know her at all (confirmed by Hidalgo in a tweet sometimes ago)

@spacebaby45678

Ok, but this is just a callback, or am I wrong?
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No, this is a narrative parrallel, because this alows Rey to escape, helping to move the plot forward


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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 6:32 am

@Gemini wrote:A callback would be her using the mind trick

However it is tied In with the plot.. In order to get out of her predicament she uses a mind trick most commonly associated with obi wan

However other Jedi do this too so it's not unique to obi wan
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Even the mindtrick is a narrative parallel... because it allow Rey to escape... CLUE CLUE!!!!!

JJ is answering Ren's question to Rey, about why the droid would give her the plans.

Ren, the droid showed the plans to you, a "scavenger"??? Ren can't figure it out

We know that in ANH R2 only ever gave the message to OBI WAN...

So the real answer to Ren's question is the droid showed the plans to a Kenobi. LOL, JJ you sly dog you...
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Post by Gemini on Wed 11 May 2016, 7:02 am

Yep that map parallel
Then you have JJ specifically saying that r2 wakes up and shows the complete map because Rey returned. Then he also said they cut the part where r2 heard her talking

That would have been a big clue but they probably cut it because of timing and they can get the idea across that she makes him wake up simply because she was near him

This all echoes obi wan from ANH
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 7:59 am

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CallBack


"Remember how that happened? That didn't stop being a thing that happened or anything."
— Homestuck, referencing an event from thousands of pages ago.
A reference to an event taking place earlier than the timeline of the present story. One type of call back is a Running Gag. This is often used to remind viewers that there is an ongoing storyline. More or less a Shout-Out to itself — but if that's all that it's doing, then it's a Continuity Nod; a Call Back brings back an element that is actually relevant again.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 8:06 am

Finn finds the Luke jedi remote, looks at it and throws it away... making it meaningless moment - LUKE ANH
Finn gets choked by Chewie a la Lando  ESB
Finn turns on the creature chess table then quickly turns it off - CP30 ANH

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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 8:29 am

@ZenBrainJam wrote:
@Maria Antonietta wrote:"I see the same eyes in different people" Maz already saw those eyes. She's descendant of someone important
@Maria Antonietta

No, she said that about Finn, and speaking with Han about Rey she asked "who is the girl?". So she doesn't know her at all (confirmed by Hidalgo in a tweet sometimes ago)

@spacebaby45678

Ok, but this is just a callback, or am I wrong?
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(according to TV Tropes) it is a callback, however, there is a distinction to be made between continuity nod & callback
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Post by snufkin on Wed 11 May 2016, 10:30 am

So maybe this pretty cool sounding theory would fit in here as well? http://theboywhocan11.tumblr.com/post/143339516402/rey-of-the-ancients-reys-heritage-theory?is_related_post=1

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is it possible that Rey is a descendant of some High Jedi Priestess, Jedi Master, or Jedi Knight at the First Jedi Temple?

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Post by panki on Wed 11 May 2016, 10:48 am

@snufkin wrote:So maybe this pretty cool sounding theory would fit in here as well? http://theboywhocan11.tumblr.com/post/143339516402/rey-of-the-ancients-reys-heritage-theory?is_related_post=1

Spoiler:
is it possible that Rey is a descendant of some High Jedi Priestess, Jedi Master, or Jedi Knight at the First Jedi Temple?

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This is an interesting theory (especially the ancient jedi priest bloodline part...it could explain her powers).... I'm shifting it to the Rey Kenobi file thread since it would be of interest for people who like the 'Rey Kenobi' theory as the article also goes into that aspect as well and people might like to discuss it. Smile

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Post by Search Your Feelings on Wed 11 May 2016, 1:56 pm

I leaned towards Rey Kenobi but I really like the theory that Rey could be a descendant of the first Jedi.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 11 May 2016, 3:39 pm

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