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Post by californiagirl on Tue 29 May 2018, 4:50 pm

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This can be read different ways right? Is it about SW, JW? I'm thinking it's about SW. He's saying it in a way that it's hard to decipher for me.
That was probably his intention.
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He's said a few things like this. Passive aggressive is almost an understatement. Sounds like he didn't accept what SW was doing and the direction it was headed in at all. Unlike Mark, who still did his job well and later got over the changes.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 29 May 2018, 5:13 pm

@californiagirl wrote:
@Blood Moon wrote:

This can be read different ways right? Is it about SW, JW? I'm thinking it's about SW. He's saying it in a way that it's hard to decipher for me.
That was probably his intention.
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He's said a few things like this. Passive aggressive is almost an understatement. Sounds like he didn't accept what SW was doing and the direction it was headed in at all. Unlike Mark, who still did his job well and later got over the changes.
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Geez, he's a nasty piece of work, tweeting this right after Solo had a soft weekend BO. So petty and so self-important.

Yeah, all those "he's difficult to work with" rumors are looking pretty true right now.
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 29 May 2018, 5:18 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:
@Blood Moon wrote:

This can be read different ways right? Is it about SW, JW? I'm thinking it's about SW. He's saying it in a way that it's hard to decipher for me.
That was probably his intention.
@Blood Moon

He's said a few things like this. Passive aggressive is almost an understatement. Sounds like he didn't accept what SW was doing and the direction it was headed in at all. Unlike Mark, who still did his job well and later got over the changes.
@californiagirl

Geez, he's a nasty piece of work, tweeting this right after Solo had a soft weekend BO. So petty and so self-important.

Yeah, all those "he's difficult to work with" rumors are looking pretty true right now.
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I did a double take earlier reading this tweet. I was thinking, am I imagining the passive aggressiveness here? I have to be - nobody can possibly be that big of a d*****. I was wrong... Shocked
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Post by rawpowah on Tue 29 May 2018, 6:16 pm

I had to read his tweet multiple times to make sure I wasn't imagining things. He sounds so unpleasant and unprofessional. If JW flops, I'll laugh my head off.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 29 May 2018, 6:54 pm

Not compromising the core of a beloved franchise, why Colin are you apologizing for what you did with the female characters in JW compared to Laura Dern in the original?

Do wonder what other choice comments we’ll get from him when his sequel comes out. And even though Bayona directed one of my all-time favorite horror films, El Orfanato, it’s a screenplay by Trevorrow and the same writing partner he did JW with. Despite getting religion with how it’s not cool to neg on your heroine and OMG she gets to wear normal clothing and shoes instead of being a cardboard stock character of frigid career lady, it’s going to be a glimpse into what he would’ve done with the ST characters
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Post by Night Huntress on Wed 30 May 2018, 12:00 am

@rawpowah wrote:I had to read his tweet multiple times to make sure I wasn't imagining things. He sounds so unpleasant and unprofessional. If JW flops, I'll laugh my head off.
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I'm amazed his last JW movie was such a BO success- I mean it was unintentionally funny, but I would never pay to watch that in the theatre.
BoH was a flop though? Wasn't it? I know it had bad reviews but not how it was doing at the BO.

To be fair- I won't wish any movie to flop...but I wish his bad reputation will sometime come back and bite him in the a**

That's not how you behave as a professional director.
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Post by rawpowah on Wed 30 May 2018, 4:56 am

@Night Huntress It was a success because it was the first reboot in a trilogy about a popular franchise. I watched it in theaters actually for that reason and it was fine, but forgettable. Which is why I won't be checking out the sequel.
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Post by special_cases on Thu 31 May 2018, 6:42 pm

Wow so now we know for sure that Trevorrow is kind of a d*ck.

It's interesting that he's throwing a shade on Rian, not just on LFL.
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Post by YeeRees on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 11:55 am

I’m not a fan of Colin Trevorrow but he is at least trying to turn some of his past missteps into positives, including co-writing the next Jurassic World movie with Emily Carmichael (who came back at him over his misjudged Twitter comments about women not wanting to be involved in big studio movies like Jurassic World). His recent Twitter comments haven’t helped improve his image but it’s clear from this interview that the fallout from the critical response to The Book of Henry had a deep impact on him personally and professionally. https://uproxx.com/movies/colin-trevorrow-interview-star-wars-jurassic-world/
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Post by californiagirl on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 12:14 pm

@YeeRees wrote:I’m not a fan of Colin Trevorrow but he is at least trying to turn some of his past missteps into positives, including co-writing the next Jurassic World movie with Emily Carmichael (who came back at him over his misjudged Twitter comments about women not wanting to be involved in big studio movies like Jurassic World). His recent Twitter comments haven’t helped improve his image but it’s clear from this interview that the fallout from the critical response to The Book of Henry had a deep impact on him personally and professionally. https://uproxx.com/movies/colin-trevorrow-interview-star-wars-jurassic-world/
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He seems really excited about JW 3, apparently a movie he's wanted to make his whole life, as I've heard the new JW movie ends in some kind of interesting manner. Good for him, he's away from SW and doing another big movie that is his passion. Yet another weird JJ parallel, given JJ's comments last month about how he's had all these ideas about the end of the ST he never dreamed he'd be able to do.


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Post by Starliteprism on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 1:11 pm

Watched the latest JW yesterday and the writing was very predictable the whole way through. Rolling Eyes 6/10 from me, but possibly only a solid 6 due to the fact that I watched it in 3D 4DX and the effects made it a bit more enjoyable.
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Post by Night Huntress on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 1:22 pm

@Starliteprism wrote:Watched the latest JW yesterday and the writing was very predictable the whole way through. Rolling Eyes 6/10 from me, but possibly only a solid 6 due to the fact that I watched it in 3D 4DX and the effects made it a bit more enjoyable.
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did his writing improved since the last one? Especially regarding the female characters ? Confus
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Post by californiagirl on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 3:13 pm

@Night Huntress wrote:
@Starliteprism wrote:Watched the latest JW yesterday and the writing was very predictable the whole way through. Rolling Eyes 6/10 from me, but possibly only a solid 6 due to the fact that I watched it in 3D 4DX and the effects made it a bit more enjoyable.
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did his writing improved since the last one? Especially regarding the female characters ? Confus
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I watched one (non-spoiler) review from people I trust. They said it's better in some ways than the first JW, and in some ways worse. Apparently it rips off The Lost World, but the visual style is better than JW (no doubt because of JA Bayona, the director). There's a whole thing about the way we treat animals, except we're still supposed to be terrified of them because it's a big action movie, and they said the animals have more individuality. It was all pretty by-the-numbers, they claimed.

It doesn't come out here in the States for a couple of weeks, though. I think I'll pass.
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Re: Colin Trevorrow Out for Episode IX

Post by YeeRees on Thu 07 Jun 2018, 3:37 pm

It looks like that interview I posted with CT has attracted more controversy. Just as I was starting to feel a bit of sympathy for him too Rolling Eyes I haven’t seen The Book of Henry and don’t know much about it at all, but CT is being accused of misrepresentating the premise of that movie in the interview by making out it's about calling out an abusive man when it’s apparently not about that at all. It looks like Colin can’t open his mouth without putting his foot in it!

I might have misgivings about JJ (mainly because of his addiction to nostalgia, his love for the mystery box and not it’s contents, and because his strengths so far have been in reinvigorating and restarting franchises not in bringing them to satisfying conclusions) but I am glad we have him for IX and not CT. I’m sure the cast are happy too as they all seem to get along well with JJ and he seemed to be genuinely fond of them (from the interviews and BTS footage). Whatever JJ’s faults might be, he comes across as a decent human being who has taken past criticisms to heart and strives to do better. That’s all you can ask for really.
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Post by Starliteprism on Fri 08 Jun 2018, 8:39 am

@Night Huntress wrote:
@Starliteprism wrote:Watched the latest JW yesterday and the writing was very predictable the whole way through. Rolling Eyes 6/10 from me, but possibly only a solid 6 due to the fact that I watched it in 3D 4DX and the effects made it a bit more enjoyable.
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did his writing improved since the last one? Especially regarding the female characters ? Confus
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To be honest, I actually forgot that I watched the last one, so recently started to watch it and about 15 minutes in, flashes then started to come back to me. I quickly realized I wasn't in the mood to re-watch, so switched it off. Both are forgettable, at least in my book of Jennifer, although the actors and director didn't have too much to work with, so the onus is on the writing. Felt like a filler episode that should have not been aired.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 12 Jun 2018, 1:29 pm

Reviews are coming out for JW and I stumbled across these articles from Indie Wire when reading Anthony Bourdain (RIP)'s last interview, which was w/Eric Kohn. Who has not much good to say in his review of JW, which is another data point for my personal "stop complaining about JJ when we're so lucky Trevorrow got sacked and won't be going near Leia, Rey, or Rose" thesis. Or for that matter, the bullshit with a character's shoes isn't just illustrative of writers who not only don't have a clue how to write women, they don't seem capable of writing any type of compelling characters that would do justice to what TLJ delivered for Kylo and Rey and said very subtly about gender and sexuality.

From Kohn's review

‘Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom’ Review: Life Finds a Way, But Sometimes It Shouldn’t wrote:The movie’s second half also allows for a more distinctive lead character, with newcomer Isabella Sermon as Maisie, who lopes through narrow corridors and elevator shafts as she evades dinosaur attacks (as well as a few human ones). Her quiet shock and astonishment at the lunacy surrounding her brings a credible gaze to circumstances in dire need of it. “Fallen Kingdom” could have used more of her.

Instead, Pratt’s Indiana Jones swagger and constant eye-rolling leads the day, while Howard remains in the dispiriting role of second fiddle, almost always at the mercy of his decision making. Even when she takes charge, it’s treated as a crass revelation: Look! The woman you thought was useless did a thing!

Despite the awful characterizations and plot twists of Derek Connolly and Colin Trevorrow’s screenplay, it appears that Bayona made an effort to mine great set pieces from the material.

From Kate Erbland's ‘Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom’ Is Still Using Bryce Dallas Howard’s Heels to Hide Lazy Filmmaking

Much of Claire’s life has changed in the intervening years, but the shoes are the same. Bayona’s desire to linger on them doesn’t feel so much funny as it does a pointed way to remind people that, for Claire, it’s the shoes that make the woman. “Remember these stupid shoes and how much you hated them?,” the shot seems to say. “They’re still here. Get used to them.”The costuming pick drew widespread criticism, and not just because they were a throwback to outdated gender stereotypes. Vulture’s Jada Yuan noted that the costuming failed its protagonist and proved to be “a crime of lazy filmmaking — a patronizing shorthand for her cluelessness and stubborn need for control.” Instead of using the heels as just one facet of Claire’s personality, they became one of her few defining characteristics, a stand-in for a richer backstory or a relationship with anyone that doesn’t entirely hinge on her perceived frigidity.

The choice to keep Claire in heels didn’t just rankle viewers who were annoyed to see a female protagonist trapped in uncomfortable footwear. It also proved to be wholly illogical: Are we supposed to believe that those stems never snapped? Or, that when Claire and Owen (Chris Pratt) find the old Jurassic Park welcome center of yore, still brimming with supplies, she doesn’t even bother to look for a pair of boots? There wasn’t even a single twisted ankle during the entire mad dash to battle the escaped dinosaurs?

Genevieve Koski at The Dissolve similarly argued that, as Claire goes through a number of sartorial and emotional changes in the film, the continued existence of her heels make less and less sense. “It’s one thing to completely ignore an aspect of your story that doesn’t make sense in the real world,” she wrote. “But it’s another matter to introduce a problem with your character’s wardrobe and then neglect to satisfactorily solve it.”

Later, Claire does change her shoes, opting for a pair of sensible boots (finally!) that are the complete opposite of her heels. They’re the kind of shoes one would wear on a dinosaur-infested island, the kind of shoes one could run in or jump over a seething pile of lava in or even battle an evil corporate entity bent on using dinosaurs for evil in. They’re the kind of shoes Claire should have put on in the first film, and by the time we get there, it’s an awfully heavy-handed twist.

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