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Post by vaderito on Fri 30 Aug 2019, 4:26 pm


I’ve been working on this post for a while now and was actually going to submit it this morning, but time got away from me. Now, in the wake of Jason Ward’s most recent article , now seems like the perfect time to put this out into the world. Everything from this point forward remains unchanged from my last proof read yesterday.

After a pretty lengthy dry spell for leaks and news related to The Rise of Skywalker, we've finally gotten some new stuff to dig into! In addition to the official news and footage, I have a boatload of unofficial news. I obviously can't share details about who my sources are or how/where this information was obtained, but what I can tell you is that they've given me incredibly compelling reasons to pay attention to what they have to say. Now in the wake of D23, some of the things they've told me are being corroborated with official news and footage which bolsters my confidence in the accuracy of this report. That being said, with 4 months remaining until the release of the film, details may still be in flux and (due to the nature of what we do here), unless it's photographic evidence, I can't guarantee that everything you'll read here will be 100% accurate. Some of this you've seen or read before, some of it will be new and some may challenge things widely thought to be true about the film.

While this is a spoiler friendly subreddit, I'm going to flag this as a spoiler post and warn anyone that doesn't want to know what happens in the film to turn back now. If you are spoiler averse and decide to continue reading, it's your own fault from here on out. If you are pro-spoilers, please do not share details of this post with anyone that does not want to be spoiled themselves. Without any further preamble...

As stated in a previous leak, it's been reiterated to me that we will indeed be getting young Luke and Leia flashbacks in TROS. One in particular appears to be the opening of the movie no less. We begin the action by seeing one of, if not the final training lesson between Luke and Leia. Leia is giving up her Jedi training due to the fact that she's pregnant with a son. My source on this mentioned a fight, so I believe that we may be getting Leia and Luke in a lightsaber duel toward the beginning of the film.

Picking up in the current point in the timeline. Leia appears to have taken up the mantel of Jedi mentor to Rey in the wake of Luke's passing.

Note: This will likely coincide with the scene from the D23 First Look where Rey throws here lightsaber at a training remote and cuts down a tree.

Early on in the film, we catch up with Kylo's story where he is "slaughtering" people with the purpose of tracking down one of the film's McGuffins, a device known as the "wayfinder".

I'm told that the clip of Kylo body slamming someone into the floor of a forest bathed in red light seen in the teaser. I'm also told that this planet is called "Exogol" (don't quote me on the spelling).

Kylo obtains the wayfinder from "The Oracle" and finds it to contain coordinates to a point in the Unknown Regions. The wayfinder that Kylo is given once belonged to his grandfater.

Using the coordinates found within the wayfinder device, Kylo arrives in the Unknown Regions. Here, Kylo encounters Emperor Palpatine. How Palpatine is still alive and how he ended up in the Unknown Regions is still a mystery to me that I hope to learn more about in the next few months (Note: Daisy Ridley recently said in an interview that it's explained in the film), but my source on this tells me that this is indeed Palpatine in the flesh. Kylo and Palpatine's conversation apparently centers around ordering Kylo to find Rey and bring her to the Emperor with the goal of turning her to the dark side.

Note: It's not lost on me that this part of the story feels very Return of the Jedi inspired, but we'll just crack on and see how this all pans out.

My source specifically mentioned that Palpatine is very old and decrepit at this point, possibly on the verge of death. A little bit of Googling reveals that Palpatine is thought to have been born around 84 BBY making him in the neighborhood of 113 years old by the events of The Rise of Skywalker. His goal in luring Kylo to him and converting Rey to darkness is more or less to have Rey and Kylo inherit his "new Empire" and for them to rule it together.

In order to facilitate bringing about this "new Empire", Palpatine has spent his 30 years of PTO creating a fleet of "Death Star Destroyers" (Note: I don't know if this is their actual name or not. Personally, I hope not, it's bit on the nose) which appear to be exactly what they sound like. Star Destroyers with Death Star tech mounted on them, giving them the capability to destroy a planet. (Note: Apparently once this particular technology was unleashed 30 some odd years ago, that Pandora's box can't be shut again). According to my source, these star destroyers make up the "Sith Fleet" that house the new red Sith Troopers that were showcased at SDCC in July.

Note: I wrote this prior to the First Look being shown and the fleet has since been confirmed. It's comprised of Imperial star destroyers hiding in the Unknown Regions and we see what appears to be their planet destroying capabilities during the reel.

Enough about Rey and Kylo, let's get back to the rest of the Resistance. Apparently we catch up with Finn and Poe returning to the jungle planet depicted in some of the behind the scenes images shown at Celebration. The duo has been in contact with an informant from within the First Order. The mole has told Finn and Poe about Kylo coming into possession of the "wayfinder".

Note: It's unclear to me if anyone in the Resistance understands what the "wayfinder" is or where it leads. They just want to find it.

Poe and Finn tell Leia about this and she sends Rey, Chewbacca, C-3PO and the other droids to accompany them on the mission. In order to get them going on their quest, Leia puts them in contact with someone on Pasaana (The desert planet, filmed in Jordan)

It's at this point in the story where the Resistance team makes their way to the desert planet seen in the teaser and behind the scenes footage. It's revealed that Leia's contact is Lando Calrissian. Lando points them toward another one of our McGuffins, a "Sith artifact" that apparently turns out to be a dagger. This dagger has some sort of writing on it that 3PO can’t decipher.

Note: My source understands this to be a "Sith language". That description is pretty vague for me, but the key point is sound. Heroes find dagger, dagger has writing on it that 3PO can't read.

It’s during our heroes time on Passana that Kylo initiates a Force mind link between himself and Rey. Through their connection Kylo discovers where Rey and the Resistance crew are and leaves to pursue them. Eventually Kylo and the Knights of Ren arrive and begin to attack our heroes. One thing leads to another and the Resistance crew gets outnumbered and they are forced to make their escape on an old ship leaving the Millennium Falcon behind. Kylo recovers the Falcon and takes it back to his Star Destroyer.

As previously mentioned, 3PO is confronted with a challenge he is not equipped to handle. The artifact found on Passana contains a language that 3PO can’t translate without modifications. In order to modify 3POs programming, Poe brings the team to the wintery planet seen in the teaser (Kijimi per the Vanity Fair article). There C-3PO is modified to allow translation of the artifact. I'm told that the modification is done by a small alien (possibly the one pictured in Image A of my post from 6 months ago. I'm not 100% sure on that, but confident enough in who told this to me that I'm willing to put it out there) Once translatable the dagger supposedly reveals information regarding a second wayfinder, this one having belonged to Emperor Palpatine himself, leading the team to journey to the forest moon of Endor.

Note: My sources tell me that the scene from the First Look reel showing 3PO with red eyes connects to this event. The Red eyes are part of the "hack" that allows him to translate the "Sith language".

During the events leading to the modification of 3PO on the wintery planet, Kylo initiates another Force connection between he and Rey. Kylo supposedly uses this as an opportunity to begin forcing Rey down the path of darkness. He does this by antagonizing Rey. Kylo tells her that he knows about the dagger and what it was once used for. Kylo apparently tells her that this dagger was used to murder Rey’s parents. Kylo maintains that her parents are nobodies in the grand story. This angers Rey and she lashes out at Kylo and a lightsaber duel ensues. Rey is on Kijimi and Kylo is on his Star Destroyer. According to my source no flashes of any additional locations are seen during this fight (possibly in the film at all, but we'll see). Ren keeps the link alive long enough to learn Rey’s location and eventually peruses her in his Star Destroyer like before.

Zori Bliss is introduced sometime during their time on this planet.

Note: My sources told me that she has history with Poe prior to Keri Russell saying the same thing in an interview days ago. What this history may be is still a mystery to me right now.

Once Kylo arrives, our gang of heroes decide to sneak aboard and attempt to recover the Falcon prior to leaving. The rescue plan goes awry and the whole group gets captured by the First Order. It’s at this point that two major things happen:

It’s revealed that Hux is the First Order mole that has been feeding the Resistance information and he allows the heroes to escape while Kylo is distracted by dueling with Rey in person.

During this duel, Kylo adds another wrinkle to Rey’s backstory. He maintains that while her parents are nobodies, her grandparents (more specifically her grandfather) wasn’t. Kylo tells Rey that she is the granddaughter of Papatine. This explains his interest in bringing the random nobody from Jakku into the fold. The crew recovers the Falcon, Rey reconnects with them and they all flee.

Following her battle aboard the Star Destroyer and escape on the Falcon. Rey uses the newly gleaned information resulting from 3POs modifications and the translation of the dagger to travel to Endor. At this time, it’s a little unclear to me how Kylo gets from point A to point B, but supposedly he is waiting for Rey in Palpatine’s throne room aboard the wreckage of the second Death Star.

(Note: I assume he knows the location of the second wayfinder due to his newfound connection to Palpatine, but that's just speculation on my part. I think it's important to note that Kylo may have been there before considering that he had the charred helmet of Vader in TFA.)

Naturally, they fight. The specifics of this duel are unknown to me, but what I have been told about it is that it’s at this point when Rey begins to tap into some hatred to gain the upper hand and eventually defeats Kylo (Note: possibly destroying his lightsaber in the process, but that's more rumor than leak at the moment), leaving him for dead on the wreckage of the Death Star. Rey takes possession of Palpatine's wayfinder and leaves.

My sources tell me that the "Dark Rey" moment seen in the D23 footage is in fact a vision (described to me as thematically similar to Luke seeing himself as Vader in the cave on Dagobah). This apparently is a short sequence that happens right after Rey picks up Palpatine's wayfinder.

While lying in the wreckage of the Death Star weakened state Kylo Ren reportedly sees a vision of his father. (Note: It’s unclear to me if Han appears as a bona fide ghost or just through the magic of injury induced hallucinations, but this interaction supposedly acts as Kylo’s “come to Jesus” moment.) Han tells Kylo that it’s never too late to change and when he leaves Endor, he leaves not as Kylo Ren, but as Ben Solo.

This duel is a critical tipping point for Rey as well. I’m told that in the wake of her confrontation with Kylo, she takes the wayfinder and flees to Ahch-to to collect her thoughts. Her mindset is reportedly mirror Luke’s while he was there prior to and during the events of The Last Jedi. The vision of a possible dark future for herself in conjunction fact that she nearly killed Kylo scared Rey in the same way that considering killing Ben in his sleep scared Luke many years prior. She feared the path she was headed down and decides to swear off the Jedi, exiling herself on Ahch-to. Rey scuttles the ship she used to get there just like Luke once did and she caps it all off by casting Anakin's reconstructed lightsaber toward her ship. Just when it looks like the Jedi Order is going to end (again), the specter of Luke Skywalker appears to Rey, holding her discarded lightsaber and does what all good Force ghosts do; gives our hero the resolve to do what needs to be done. Finish the work Luke began over 30 years earlier and put an end to the Emperor for good. According to my source, Luke passes on Leia’s lightsaber to Rey. (Note: I don't know where it came from, where it's been all this time, or how Luke is able to give it to Rey, but what I can tell you (with only about 50% confidence at this point) is that Leia's blade is supposedly blue.) Bolstered by her conversation with Luke, Rey takes Leia's lightsaber, transmits the location of the Sith fleet to the Resistance before heading out herself.

On the subject of Force ghosts, Luke makes another appearance around the time of Rey and Kylo’s crises of faith. Back at the main Resistance base, Leia is on her deathbed. My source describes it to me like Yoda’s death in Return if the Jedi, nothing bad happened, it was just her time to go. Luke has come to says goodbye, but before it all ends for Leia, he has one final lesson for her...

From what I've been able to put together, the final act of the film is structured like this:

Rey leaves Ahch-to and travels to the Sith fleet in the Unknown Regions. Eventually the Resistance fleet arrives and battle ensues. Somehow, Rey finds her way to The Emperor who has been waiting for her. Palpatine confirms that what Kylo told her was true. Apparently after his defeat at DSII, Palpatine was shaken by the fact that he wasn't able to maintain his hold on Vader or seduce Luke to the darkness due to their familial bond. During the course of their conversation Palpatine makes reference to this bond between Vader and Luke and likens it to his bond with Rey hoping that whatever familial connection they have will be enough to win her over and become as strong as that of the Skywalkers. Note: What my source described next feels very reminiscent of RotJ. Rey is trapped in The Emperor’s throne room, watching two opposing fleets battle while she is helplessly gazes onward. It’s at this point that Kylo/Ben reappears. How we get to this next part is still a bit fuzzy to me, but apparently Ben and Rey join forces and begin attacking Palpatine. Leia's lightsaber comes back into play when Rey and Kylo share the Skywalker lightsabers throughout their fight. At some point the Emperor overpowers them both and supposedly kills Ben. (Note: there have been reports from other reputable leakers that Kylo kind of/sort of dies, but my source on this seemed pretty unambiguous. Personally, I think we'll just have to wait and see what we learn over the next few months.) When it looks like all Hope is lost, the ghosts of Luke and Leia show up to aid Rey. Together they overpower the Emperor and end his darkness once and for all.

As for what the other members of the Resistance are doing at this point, they are engaged in a space battle against Palpatine's fleet lead by General Pryde. The Resistance's goal is supposedly to take out the flagship, severing communications and making navigation out of the Unknown Regions impossible. The flagship is destroyed around the same time that the Emperor dies.

The last thing I was told is regarding the final sequence of the film. I don’t why, but our heroes travel to Tatooine. During these scenes, it is supposedly revealed that Rey has cannibalized Anakin/Luke's lightsaber and Leia's to make one of her own that supposedly has a yellow/gold blade. She buries the leftover pieces on the grounds of the former Lars homestead. The final shots of the Skywalker saga allegedly echo how the adventure began in ‘77, our heroes gazing at the horizon dreaming of the future as twin suns set in the distance.

Bespin Bulletin


Following the incredible reports from both MakingStarWars and JediPaxis, I've decided to share some information I heard that seemingly lines up with their recent reports. Now, I've only heard this information from one source and was in the process of getting confirmation ahead of the JediPaxis and MakingStarWars reveals. So with all leaks, take this information with a grain of salt especially as I only had this info from one source but as it shares similarities to recent leaks it gives me more confidence in sharing it with you guys. Here goes...
• General Hux is an informant for the Resistance. At some point Finn, Poe and Chewbacca are captured by a First Order firing squad only for General Hux to blast these troopers and save our heroes.
• On the forest/jungle world we see Rey crossed legged, meditating and levitating much like Luke in 'The Last Jedi'
• The Death Star wreckage planet is Endor. Ewoks are seen there. The Ewoks do nothing of note but are seen in shots watching the Resistance.
• Rey and Kyo Ren fight through the force with one in a ship and the other on a planet. The sets were built next to one another and Mando tech was used - big LED screens.
• Rey fights Emperor Palpatine whilst Kylo Ren fights off the Knights of Ren seemingly concurrently. Palpatine uses a lightsaber in the fight.
• Dark Rey is a vision. Daisy Ridley shot in that outfit for only a day making the sequence very short. Ian McDiarmid also was on set for this.
• Rey and Kylo Ren share Anakin's lightsaber during a fight where they've learned how to use their force bond at a new level.
• Kylo and Rey confront Palpatine. Ian was on set. Palpatine was next to a bunch of mechanical stuff including what looks like some kind of big mechanical arm. He might've actually been attached to this mechanical stuff. Rey and Ren are seemingly civil with one another.
• Rey and Kylo Ren at ease with each other in a cave with a red, pyramid shaped device only a tad bigger than hand size. No audio or effects at the time on the device.

Older 4chan that lines up with these leaks but is also likely repackaged MSW leaks with some guesswork:


ey and Kylo have a big fight on the desert planet of Pasaana. From what I know they search the wayfinder device which unlocks Vader's legacy. The scene is like in the trailer, Rey is in the desert and Kylo is in his TIE Fighter, he flies to her and she jumps and cuts his TIE Fighters wings in half, the ship crashes and Kylo gets out of it. He ignites his lightsaber and attacks Rey. Then something happens, its called force flash fight, The background changes as they fight like the bond they had in TLJ. They end up in different place from all the saga films including:Naboo, Corusscant, Mustafar, Yavin IV, Hoth and Tatooine(they fight in Lars's home). They end up back on Pasaana and then stop because the Sith Fleet arrived. That's all I saw from this fight. There is another one to the end. This fight was around 8-9 minute long, the background changed like it changed in Rey's vision from TFA.

The last fight is on the ruins of the second death star,there they fight the Knights of Ren and The Dark Acolyte played by Matt Smith, Matt Smith's character is not a Knight of Ren.

He opens a chest that frees Palpatine's spirit which posseses him. He puts his cloak and we get Ian Mcdiarmed voice. He sends the KoR to Take care of Rey and Kylo as he rebuilds the second Death Star.

The Sith Fleet also fights outside with star destroyers and all against the rebels. First Order aparently joins the fight too. We get a chase in the death star and it start rising from water all by Palpatine's command.

Btw, he explain that all Rey, Snoke, etc. were orchestrated by him from the force realm to ressurect himself.

In the end Rey and Kylo kill all the KoR and they fight Palpatine. Kylo kills the host but Palpatine posseses him and they get outside as Death Star 2 rises from water, posseses Kylo fights Rey but he has moment where he gets control back and begs Rey to kill him. Kylo dies and Palpatine too. Ben is dying but Luke force ghost appears and he saves his life.

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RANDOM Every source who Jason has spoken with thinks The Last Jedi will be better received after TROS, because TROS pays off what TLJ has set up; also says that TLJ is being spoken of as actually more action oriented than TROS. This does NOT mean TROS doesn’t have action. Just that it is being spoken of as more cerebral and talky than one might expect, and more so than ROTJ.

LEIA Rey’s story opens with her training in the woods with General Leia. - Heard about Billie Lourd playing young Leia, so every reason to think there’s a scene with young Luke and young Leia training, which then gets interrupted. - Thought it was because of Kylo’s issues but maybe not? (likely referring to JP leak which suggests it is due to pregnancy). - Jason emphasizes that he’s got “stacked upon” sources on this, and feels very confident. - Voice actor who has been a voice match for Carrie before (even in the films) did some work on this movie for over the shoulder shots and such, so some lines will not be from Carrie. Also talks about how Leia is not supposed to be CG, but also questions that they won’t edit her mouth movements on existing footage to give her new lines—given that they have clearly digitally recomposited her in so many ways.
SITH BLADE AND KIJIMI Jason believes that they are looking for a contact who can point them to Palpatine’s planet/location in the Unknown Regions. Contact is dead when they arrive however; knifed in the back with a sith blade. This takes them to Kijimi, in order for 3PO to be rebooted with R2’s help. - Jason believes that R2 is smoking/damaged at some point in this movie. He’s not sure if this relates to this or not however. - Jason corrects the speculation from earlier suggesting Zorii has history with Rey. Apparently, she doesn’t at all (used to smuggle with Poe), and the ship that seems like Rey’s parent’s flashback ship is still MIA. Jason stands by though that whenever Rey does see it, she thinks it looks familiar. - Jason believes the MacGuffin is the Sith Fleet, and that the knives and wayfinders are just the pieces leading to the MacGuffin.

FORCE FLASH FIGHTING AND FORCE BOND New sources seem to be indicating that they do not flash between previous film locations or different planets; just to each other’s spaces. (So for example, like in TLJ, where it seems like both Rey and Kylo are in the hut together when they touch hands.) - Points out in the trailer it just looks like Kylo and Rey fighting in the same place on the DS, but given how the rumors were before, wonders whether we’re still going to see flashes between the two spaces (so, like, showing Kylo occasionally slashing his own room apart) - Also points out that it looks like Kylo just walks through the mist and sand on Pasaana straight up into the Death Star. Jason thinks there are 2.5-3 duels for Rey and Kylo in the movie, and that the Death Star duel is for sure The Last Duel.
BULLETINBESPIN - Jason thinks all of it is either on or close to on. - The Hux stuff is a little strange, because Jason heard two dramatically different things about him in this film, to the point that he was honest starting to wonder if they actually WROTE two different things for Hux in this film - has heard the DS planet is indeed Endor for a while now - Jason’s a little in the air about Kylo fighting the KOR, as he feels like he once got that shot down—but he also emphasizes he’s not disputing it. Seems to indicate that who knows/things could have changed or that source could been confused. - Sources don’t seem to indicate that the wayfinders are holocrons JEDIPAXIS: - Connects the Billie Lourd stuff previously mentioned with the potential Young Luke and Young Leia scene - States that as far as one source knew, Mark Hamill had not filmed anything yet when they did this scene - THEORIZES (and only theorizes) that maybe Palpatine wants Rey and Kylo to reproduce to form an heir that he can then possess. Also talks about previous theory that Kylo joined the sith intentionally, and generally tries to piece together the motivations here for Palpatine. - Thinks the jungle planet could be Yavin, but that seems mostly just based on how during TFA might have been Yavin before it was D’quar.
- Jason does have a source in his note history mentioning a mole in the FO. Randy points out that if there is a mole, doesn’t it have to be Hux? (presumably because we don’t have any other known FO characters) - Jason had the Falcon being on fire at the Black Park location, and has a few sources saying that. Theorizes that it’s possible the “Kylo takes the falcon” part may relate to the Falcon being damaged in some way (personal note: though it seems to me also possible it doesn’t happen on Pasaana but elsewhere) - Jason thinks Kylo communicates the news about her parents being killed by showing her the vision he saw, as he tries to emphasize to her that he was telling the truth about her parents, after having been trying to find her. But he doesn’t know if maybe JP’s interpretation has some truth to it, or if the scene itself will be open to interpretation in the movie. - Jason does believe Ahch-To is in the movie, and believes Rey flies Luke’s X-Wing. So it is possible that this connects with JP’s Ahch-To scene -
Jason has heard rumors of Ben’s resurrection. He also has heard that Ben is buried on the Lars homestead. Points out that in this leak it mentions nothing about that and instead Rey and co buries the lightsaber pieces. But also, hard to say if that means that Ben lives, or if the leak is wrong about what gets buried. Jason does find it odd they go there, just as JP does, but beyond that who knows. - Jason not really sure about the differences between the sith fleet and the wayfinders, between the two leaks. Points out there is a shirt supporting the idea the sith fleet at one point obeys/seems to obey Kylo and the KOR, which possibly supports the idea the sith fleet leaves the UR during the events of the movie as unlocked by Kylo. Obviously that’s not part of the leak. - Jason theorizes that Matt Smith is the man who killed Rey’s parents, and then gets connected to Palpatine. States that the one of the sources who gave him the Matt Smith and Palpatine rumor, including the possession and kill, has given him “so much accurate s*** over the years.” Which when Jason thinks of it in that context, plus the level of secrecy, it seems like it must be true. But then maybe it was wrong, or maybe one was the original and the other the reshoot. - Did hear that the Han scene with Kylo was during the helmet scene, but not sure what the deal is
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Post by vaderito on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 8:22 am


Further “secret” reshoots have been happening for a few weeks. George Lucas has always been a consultant on the film so the rumors it has to do with the production being in trouble doesn’t ring accurate.

Source says: “Rey and crew do get attacked by a sandworm alien, which reveals an inexplicable new super power Rey possess: the power to heal or even rejuvenate life. The heroes battle the creature and almost kill the worm and then she uses her powers to repair, or heal, or even bring it back to life.”

Jedi Paxis says: “The only other part where my info differs is that I was told that instead of our heroes almost killing the worm, the worm basically has our heroes backed into a metaphorical corner and the healing is what allows them to survive and escape. The main story beat is the same, but some of the details panning out one way vs the other has slightly different implications on Rey’s character. Yours makes it sound like it was an act done from a place of power and out of pity while mine implies compassion in the face of danger.”

Rey and Kylo have a struggle over a ship and during that struggle Rey uses lightning form her fingertips for the first time on accident and it destroys the ship.

The end of the film has Rey at the Lars homestead where Luke Skywalker grew up. A local sees Rey and comments they haven’t seen anyone near this place in a long time and the local woman asks Rey’s name to which she answers “Rey, Rey Skywalker.”

Podcast tidbits:

•Jason knows more about the reshoots but is sworn to secrecy. Says he heard about reshoots a long time ago for Black Park and Bespin Bulletin covered it as well as they could but those reshoots were for things we already knew so he lost interest and there wasn’t a lot to say on it. These reshoots he believes are a skeleton crew and supposed to be secret. Later says he doesn’t know what they’re reshooting, knows a little but doesn’t know if they’re just adding to it.

• Suspected for a while that Poe Dameron would die in act 3 as his X-Wing was under tarp for quite some time. They didn’t think it had much use at the end of the film.

• Says Rey’s healing or resurrection powers will come into play later in the film according to sources.

• Jason’s sources are currently hearing the same as JediPaxis’ leak. Says not one-for-one. Finds it weird if he and Paxis were being told fake information. Says Jason’s latest stuff comes from the Sith fleet sources.

• Says the scene where Rey and Kylo play tug of war over a ship is on Pasaana. The Knights of Ren are out there too. One of our heroes is on the ship. It doesn’t look good for the character on the ship after Rey accidentally force lightning’s the ship but it is a fake out.

• Says the sources who gave him the Sith fleet info are saying Rey calls herself Rey Skywalker on Tatooine.

• Some sources are saying they don’t know anything about Matt Smith being in the film. One source suggested they didn’t know who was going to be in the Rey’s parents moment and Jason speculates perhaps Matt Smith is the father or is the killer. Says sources before Celebration were insistent Matt Smith was in the movie and trades said he was in the movie. Calls the situation very weird.

• Says the Wayfinders have no special powers.

• Reminds people of something that was mentioned on a previous podcast, how the wayfinder opens up sands. He says that he now believes that to be the worm. Says the ground opens up and sucks our heroes down. Says Pinewood sources hinted at stuff happening underground that Kylo Ren is involved in.

• The underground place is Ochi’s tomb. Ochi is the character they believe gets stabbed by the Sith dagger and was a Resistance contact who knew something of Palpatine or Unknown Regions which is where they find the Sith Dagger. The worm incident happens and our heroes are able to escape but they’re cut off from the Millennium Falcon, presumably as it was found by the First Order and Rey has a premonition that Kylo Ren is out there, so leaves to confront him leaving Finn and Poe to fix Ochi’s ship so they can escape. Rey confronts Kylo in his TIE, this is where the jump from the teaser happens then Rey cuts it and the TIE crashes about 100 meters away then Rey and Ren fight.

• Says he heard Jannah was a Stormtrooper and got out, says her and Finn have that bond.

• Heard Maz Kanata is in the start of the film on the jungle planet and is in the final battle but it sounds like she doesn’t have much to do.

• Jason heard the same description as Bespin Bulletin on the wayfinders that they’re red pyramids and says Bespin Bulletin has more coming out on them.

• Says a long time ago they heard of a secret Ahch-To set at Pinewood by the Paddocks which had Luke’s X-Wing there and Rey was wearing the helmet. A proven source told Jason that Rey flies the X-Wing. Say’s Rey steals Kylo Ren’s ship after their duel on Endor and flies it to Ahch-To and after landing she immediately blows it up and throws the Skywalker lightsaber into the wreckage. Luke appears then Jason and Randy paraphrase some lines from the scene.

Luke: “What are you doing?”

Rey: “You were right, you saw the darkness in me”.

Luke: “The Force brought us together. You need to face Sidious as I faced Vader”.

Rey: “I wanted to feel as if I was as strong as Master Leia but I’m not”

Luke: “You don’t know how strong you are until you know how strong to have to be. Sidious will fill you with fear, with anger and he’ll use your weaknesses against you”

Rey: “What are his?”

Luke: “Sidious looked into Vader’s eyes when my father saved me, he couldn’t understand my father’s feelings for me. He thought love was a weakness to be used”

• Jason says that later on Palpatine thinks he understands it, the family bond but that familial bond doesn’t actually work. Sources told Jason within the first 20 minutes of the movie that Kylo meets Palpatine and he wants Rey and Kylo to be Empress and Emperor of his new Empire. Sources say Palpatine refers to Rey and Kylo as the dyad which are basically the positive and negative of the Force. With Rey and Kylo together, Palpatine will use the Force to rejuvenate himself which was Palpatine’s plan all along. When this rejuvenation thing happens some crazy over the top Force lightning thing happens and it shoots up into the atmosphere brining a Resistance ship down
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Post by vaderito on Thu 12 Sep 2019, 5:43 am


After the Crawl!
After the opening crawl we pan from space. The camera moves towards the planet covered in trees. We see a blue and green lightsaber dueling one another. Both of the lightsabers are held in hand by two Jedi with helmets with visors covering their faces so we cannot immediately recognize if this Rey with someone new. The two Jedi break from their duel and remove their helmets to reveal Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa looking exactly the age they did in Return of the Jedi on the Endor’s moon.

I should also note that we believe Rey is a Palpatine who at the end of the film and renames herself a Skywalker and that story just capstones the Jedi Paxis information. I think we should also note that crew members believe this to be the first sequence in the film but we could always be a little off with how edits change and so on. That said, if it isn’t currently, this was the first scene in the film and features a Young Luke and Leia doing Jedi business together. So now when you see Leia do that amazing Mary Poppins moment in The Last Jedi, it is cluing us into Leia’s past and her future after Return of the Jedi.

CGI Leia Organa in The Rise of Skywalker!
Sources have continued to state that Leia is in The Rise of Skywalker a lot. Even though we were told otherwise, the story needed what it needed and the production has done whatever is needed to make that happen in this film. It seems a good guess they haven’t corrected their earlier statements to keep the importance and size of her role under wraps. While some Star Wars: The Force Awakens elements were reused, I have further heard that Billie Lourd was filmed on set and handled the performance side of things when Carrie Fisher could not be with us.

Planetary Confusion
We are assuming that the Luke and Leia sequence then takes us to Leia and Rey training in the moments we saw in the D23 Special Look. You’ll notice in the shot of Leia and Rey we can see some of the same types of vines and stuff we saw at Black Park as we watched the filming being conducted there.

We still don’t know for certain if the planet we see Young Luke and Leia on is Endor. We may not even know what planet they’re on until we read the novel to be honest. We don’t know for certain that Leia and Rey are on a different world from that training flashback opening either. But considering what we hear about Rey heading to Endor later in the film, I’m guessing Leia and Rey are somewhere else with the Resistance.

Jean-Klaud Van Damme
Two side notes about other characters like Klaud and Maz. Officially we just know that Klaud is brought into the Resistance by Chewie. What they didn’t tell you was he’s an action movie star. Okay, not really. I’m told Klaud is aboard the Falcon at the start of the movie and he exits the ship and that was his life as a crew member aboard the Falcon in the film.

While looking into what Maz Kanata’s role is in the film, sources think it is small in this film as well. Crew members believed she is with the Resistance at the start of the film and we catch up with her before Rey and the heroes go on their adventure. We then see Maz again later in the film when the Resistance prepares to attack the unknown regions, where she joins them.

Orange is the New Black!
And finally, you may remember we had an excellent shot of an orange X-wing from Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker last year. The recent Hasbro vintage collection leaks show Poe Dameron with the orange X-wing just behind him. So I’ll consider that confirmed!

The Circle is Now Complete!
The MakingStarWars.net teams thinks if the rumor pans out and the film opens with Luke and Leia training, it might cool if the film ends with a resurrected Ben Solo training with Rey or something to that beat. Since the movie is about the rise of Skywalker, which can mean a lot of things especially with the current rumors circulating about Ben’s return and Rey’s new last name.
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Post by vaderito on Fri 13 Sep 2019, 8:07 am

From the description:

A source reached out after the last update and filled in exactly what the catalyst is that breaks up the opening scene described to me from Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. In case you didn't see yesterday's update yet, here is the meat of it (check the full article for a few random tidbits):

After the opening crawl, we pan from space. The camera moves towards a planet covered in trees. We see a blue lightsaber dueling a green lightsabers in the distance. Both of the lightsabers are held in hand by two Jedi with white helmets with visors covering their faces so we cannot immediately recognize if this is Rey with someone new. The two Jedi break from their duel and remove their helmets to reveal Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa looking exactly the age they did in Return of the Jedi on Endor's moon. The movie begins with a flashback. What to expect when you're expecting.

I'm told the reason the training is halted in the opening scene because Return of the Jedi era Luke Skywalker realizes something has changed with his sister, Leia Organa. He questions Leia and she confides in Luke that's she's going to be a mother. This is the moment Luke Skywalker realizes Ben Solo is coming and the galaxy will never be the same again.

We then hear a voice-over shouting "Master Leia!" causing Rey to end Leia's flashback and we are thrust into the post-Luke Skywalker era, far from General Leia Organa's training with her brother all those years ago. Now, we are with Leia and Rey amongst the trees. Rey trains to become the Jedi that will face-off against the evil supreme leader that was once the child Leia carried during her training with Luke Skywalker.

A caveat worth noting.

About a month ago, there was filming being conducted in Black Park near Pinewood Studios. The location where Rey trains was used again and it makes sense that the additional content pertains to these sequences. For all we know, there's been stuff added. However, it could just be a lot of minor performance changes or shot coverage for a better way to present the sequence. I do seem to remember first hearing of the flashback sequence and it being a secret location within Pinewood Studios itself.

What might it mean?

I like how the sequence expands on Leia's character while also showing us one of the moments we always wanted to see after 1983 when we hoped "they" would make more Star Wars movies that continued the Skywalker story. If this rumor is accurate in the way I've heard it described, it sets the tone of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker hard and fast. This movie is about saving Ben Solo and bringing Rey into the fold.

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Post by vaderito on Mon 16 Sep 2019, 8:43 am

Here’s the TROS stuff I remember after watching the video once:

He thinks Jannah is Finn’s sister who broke out of the Stormtrooper academy.

Finn and Jannah go on a suicide mission to take down Pryde’s SSD and therefore the entire First Order?

They’re saved in the nick of time by the Falcon.

Reiterates that Finn keeps trying to talk to Rey but can’t get any alone time with her. Not sure what’s going on with Rose.

Snoke’s backstory is explored more and it’s what leads Kylo to Snoke.

He guesses that Kylo tries to figure out just how much Snoke knew and that’s what leads him to Palpatine.

Palpatine does something with his Force lighting that does something weird to ships in the sky??

Rambo C-3PO isn’t even a thing. A source said they quickly give Threepio all their weapons at some point but it’s more of a gag and Threepio doesn’t do anything with it. He said several sources didn’t even know what he was talking about.

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Post by vaderito on Tue 17 Sep 2019, 10:19 am

The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I

Due to the fact that The Rise of Skywalker is currently going through a round of additional photography and the basic nature of leaked information in general, I cannot guarantee that everything you read here will make it to the final cut of the film just as I describe, but I feel highly confident in the accuracy of my information at this point in time based on the current state of the film.

I will also tell you that due to increased activity of other leakers such as Making Star Wars or Bespin Bulletin, not all of what you will read here will be new information, but I will tell you that my plot summaries are assembled exclusively from my own sources, so any similar/identical information to other reports can (and in my opinion, should) be used as corroboration of the validity of both sources.

I am going to be making 3 'updated and expanded' plot summary posts split up into 3 acts releasing over the coming days/weeks. These are not official act breaks, this is just how I would break the film up into 3 parts.

If you do not want to know what happens in IX, read no farther.

[The Past- Unknown Location].

Luke is training Leia as a Jedi. Lightsabers are involved. Leia reveals to Luke that she is pregnant and Leia makes the decision to end her Jedi training due to the impending birth of her son.

[The Present- The Resistance’s Jungle Base]

Years later, Leia has picked up where her brother left off and has been helping Rey learn the ways of the Jedi. Rey is first seen doing some meditative/ “mental” Force training, but is struggling with it. In frustration, she asks Leia if she can do a physical training course instead. This is what we see Rey doing in the jungle forrest in the D23 First Look.(1, 2) It appears that Rey has more physical fortitude than she has mental strength.

[Forrest planet bathed in red light]

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has been aware of a dark power behind his predecessor and former master, Snoke. Kylo has been spending his time as leader of the First Order with the purpose of locating this power. Generals Hux and Pryde have been following Kylo around on his quest and are beginning to get very frustrated with what they see as a fool’s errand. They see this as a waste of First Order time and resources. When we catch up with the villains of our story, Kylo is leading an assault on this planet with the purpose of finding Darth Vader’s wayfinder device. The device reveals coordinates within the Unknown Regions and Kylo is confident that this will reveal the source of Snoke’s power. Kylo Ren slaughters his way through the natives and is eventually led to "the oracle" who gives him the wayfinder.

[Asteroid Base]

We pick up with Finn and Poe on the Millennium Falcon, accompanied by a hand full of unfamiliar alien characters traveling to an icy asteroid base to meet with a First Order informant. This informant, an alien, is acting as a middle man between a First Order mole and our heroes. The First Order arrives and begins attacking the base. The assault causes forces our heroes to make a hasty exit by what was described to me as “light springing” away. Light springing involves making the jump to light speed without plotting a course or a predetermined destination. As we all remember, making the jump to light speed without precise calculations could have dire consequences such as ‘flying right through a star or bouncing too close to a supernova’. The Falcon makes a hand full of these springs to throw the First Order off their trail, but as a result they are forced to deal with the consequences of such a risky maneuver. After surviving the dangers of light springing, our heroes plot a course to the secret Resistance jungle base.

[The Unknown Regions- Exogol]

After obtaining Vader’s device Kylo travels to the place specified by the wayfinder. It takes him to the Unknown Regions and a dead planet of flat, black rock. I previously reported that the planet where Kylo finds Vader's wayfinder was called Exogol. Since then my understanding has evolved and I've been told that this planet actually bears that name. Kylo lands outside a giant cube, floating just above the ground and begins walking toward it. Kylo walks between the cube and the ground and once he reaches the center he discovers an elevator leading down below the planet's surface. He follows teh lift down and finds an old man, near death and lying in bed and being tended to by cloaked aids. My source believes these aids to be referred to as Sith Loyalists. The old man identifies himself as Darth Sideous. Kylo initially dismisses the old man, knowing that the Emperor had died over 30 years prior over the forest moon of Endor. Feeling that this must be a trick, Kylo claims that there must be some other explanation, such as this man being a clone. My sources specifically tell me that the Palpatine refutes the idea of him being a clone and affirms that he survived his fall. After his defeat at Endor, he left the known galaxy and traveled to the Unknown Regions to rebuild his Empire. Despite his skepticism, Palpatine begins to reel Kylo in and subsequently tells him of something known as a “Force Dyad”. The Force produces two incredibly strong users and when they unite together, both become stronger than either one could be on their own. Palpatine believes Kylo Ren and Rey to be the two halves of this dyad and shares this knowledge with Rey. (Note: I previously wrote that Palpatine wanted them to become “master and apprentice” since then this has been clarified to me as Palpatine seeking the two members of the Dyad) Palpatine claims that he seeks the Dyad because he is weak and dying and he wants the Dyad to rule together once he’s gone. Palpatine orders Kylo to bring Rey to him and turn her so that the Dyad will be a strong, unified force of darkness. Palpatine also reveals that he has been amassing an armada of Star Destroyers equipped with Death Star tech, each one capable of destroying a planet on its own. Generals Hux and Pryde are tasked with rounding up children in large numbers to train and staff his armada.

[The Resistance’s Jungle Base]

Finn and Poe return to the Resistance base bearing the knowledge obtained from their encounter with the First Order informant. The duo brings this knowledge to General Leia and tell her what they know about Kylo’s mission to the Unknown Regions, but without any leads to where he went or how he got there, the Resistance is at a dead end. Leia mentions that she has a contact who was seeking a link to the Unknown Regions long ago and may be willing to help. Leia dispatches the two of them along with Rey, Chewbacca, BB-8 and C-3PO to Passana to meet with her contact and see what help he may be able to provide.


When our heroes arrive on the planet, they discover that a giant festival is going on. What they thought would be an easy mission has now turned into a much more complicated affair. They attempt to lay low and to blend in. Unsurprisingly, Chewbacca struggles with blending in because it’s very difficult to hide a 7 foot tall wookiee from prying eyes. Rey encounters an alien in the crowds who takes a liking to her, presenting her with a handmade necklace as a gift. She is asked her name and she responds “Rey”. When asked her family name, she replies that she does not have one. At this time, Kylo establishes a connection with Rey through their bond. Their conversation ends with Kylo grabbing the necklace from around Rey’s neck. This necklace proves to be the key to the First Order discovering their location. After the connection ends, Rey warns her comrades that the First Order is on their way and that they must hurry to find Leia’s contact. It is at this point that instead of finding their contact, their contact reveals himself to them after having spotted an old wookiee friend of his out of the crowd. It’s Lando Calrissian.

Greetings and introductions are exchanged Lando tells them of a dagger that may help them find what they seek. Many years prior, Lando and Luke went in search of this dagger that was owned by a Sith loyalist named Ochie (spelling not confirmed). They tracked Ochie to Passana when the trail went cold. When met with the question of why he never left the planet after the search for Ochie and his dagger ended, Lando tells the team that he had a young child at the time of his and Luke’s quest. While they were out searching for the dagger, the First Order stole his child. After having failed to protect his child from the First Order, Lando and Luke parted ways and he stayed on Passana ever since. This story strikes a chord with Finn having been stolen from his own family at an incredibly young age as well. Lando points them in the direction of the last known coordinates of Ochie’s ship, where the trail went cold all those years ago, wishes them luck in succeeding where he failed all those years ago but decides to sit this one out.

Our heroes follow the trail that Lando pointed out to them and eventually they happen upon Ochie’s ship. When Rey sees the ship, it triggers some memories. It’s the same ship that we see leaving Jakku in Rey’s vision from TFA. Before the implications of this can sink in, the ground beneath them gives out and the crew gets sucked below the surface of the sand. They find themselves in a series of underground tunnels where they discover the remains of Ochie and the dagger that Lando and Luke sought after. Rey feels a very strong connection to this weapon, but can’t quite articulate it. The dagger has writing on it in a language that nobody can identify. It’s then handed over to 3PO who identifies the writing as a Sith language, but he reveals that he is unable to translate the writing due to restrictions in his programing. At this time, a plan is made to hack into C-3PO’s programming to bypass the restrictions. Poe mentions that he has an old contact that might be able to help them out. Chewbacca takes possession of the dagger and the group’s attention shifts to finding a way out of the caves. During their escape attempt, the team runs into a giant, very aggressive, sand worm (who presumably created the tunnels). A battle with the sand worm ensues and our heroes end up backed into a corner, preparing to meet their fate when Rey notices a detail. The worm is injured. In a display of previously unknown power, Rey is able to heal the worm’s injuries, satiating the worm and providing the heroes the chance they needed to escape.

Once they crew exits the cave system, they see a First Order Star Destroyer in the sky and know that Kylo Ren has found them. Once they realize this they (correctly) reason that the First Order would have already found the Falcon, making that plan of escape impossible. The Falcon is boarded and subsequently taken back to the Star Destroyer. In an act of desperation, the crew boards Ochie’s ship and attempt to get it working. It's on this ship that the crew discovers the new droid D-O. Rey senses that Kylo is coming for her, so she takes off on her own to confront him and buy her friends some time. (This is where the TIE interceptor flip sequence from the first teaser takes place). While Kylo and Rey are engaged, the Knights of Ren and the First Order head for Ochie’s ship and our other heroes. Chewbacca splits off from the crew and attempts to delay the Knights, but it captured. The dagger is taken from him and he boards a First Order prisoner transport. Rey and Kylo both notice Chewbacca being taken captive and being brought to a transport ship during their confrontation. As the ship takes off, Rey shifts her attention from Kylo to her captured friend and begins to use the Force to stop the transport and pull it back to the ground. Kylo attempts to counteract this by pushing the ship away. Control over the ship becomes a battle between Kylo and Rey, much like their battle for Anakin’s lightsaber in TLJ. Kylo begins to gain the upper hand which angers Rey. In her frustration, lightning shoots from her hand, destroying the the transport ship and killing all its passengers. Devastated by what she just did, Rey collapses. While all this is transpiring, Poe, Finn, 3PO and BB-8 get Ochie’s ship in the air just in time to fly over to pick up a distraught Rey. With no Lando, no Falcon, no dagger and no Chewbacca, our heroes limp away from the desert planet.

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