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Post by Maria Antonietta on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 7:51 am

I can't imagine what will happen if they'll meet again, I don't know how they'll pull it off really. I just hope that she will touch his scar H-beating H-beating
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Post by panki on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 8:05 am

@AnneNeville wrote:@panki Is there any way for Kylo and Rey to get stranded together and have to work together that does not involve him upping his "evil quotient" by kidnapping her a second time? What are your thoughts?
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I feel it might be a little tricky considering Rey thinks he is a monstah... Razz But one way for this to happen is if Luke feels there is good in Ben and that he wasn't really responsible for the massacre....maybe framed or coerced into the dark side....Rey has to be convinced in some way that he isn't a total bad guy. Then if Kylo asks her to go with him or they meet and get stranded somewhere, I can imagine her being open to them working together.

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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 8:51 am

@panki wrote:
@AnneNeville wrote:@panki Is there any way for Kylo and Rey to get stranded together and have to work together that does not involve him upping his "evil quotient" by kidnapping her a second time? What are your thoughts?
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I feel it might be a little tricky considering Rey thinks he is a monstah... Razz But one way for this to happen is if Luke feels there is good in Ben and that he wasn't really responsible for the massacre....maybe framed or coerced into the dark side....Rey has to be convinced in some way that he isn't a total bad guy. Then if Kylo asks her to go with him or they meet and get stranded somewhere, I can imagine her being open to them working together.
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Unless the rain scene in Rey's vision is a Force storm, Kylo saves Rey as in the vision, then they're forced to flee in the chaos but get literally stranded because of the storm, and have to work together in order to survive in a dangerous environment... which leads us to...

*cough*Letter Never Sent*cough*
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Post by AnneNeville on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 9:28 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@panki wrote:
@AnneNeville wrote:@panki Is there any way for Kylo and Rey to get stranded together and have to work together that does not involve him upping his "evil quotient" by kidnapping her a second time? What are your thoughts?
@AnneNeville

I feel it might be a little tricky considering Rey thinks he is a monstah... Razz But one way for this to happen is if Luke feels there is good in Ben and that he wasn't really responsible for the massacre....maybe framed or coerced into the dark side....Rey has to be convinced in some way that he isn't a total bad guy. Then if Kylo asks her to go with him or they meet and get stranded somewhere, I can imagine her being open to them working together.
@panki

Unless the rain scene in Rey's vision is a Force storm, Kylo saves Rey as in the vision, then they're forced to flee in the chaos but get literally stranded because of the storm, and have to work together in order to survive in a dangerous environment... which leads us to...

*cough*Letter Never Sent*cough*
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Sounds fun . . . but then I wonder how Dubrovnik fits in!
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 3:13 pm

@panki wrote:Here is my speculation for Episode VIII....

Act I

1. Luke isn't happy to see Rey and refuses to leave the island. Rey sticks around trying to persuade him to return.
2. Finn has recovered and befriends resistance members including KMT's character.
3. Kylo is training with the KOR and seems more evil. He is wearing a mask.
4. Leia leaves the resistance base to attend a funeral for the Hosnian victims and for Han. She goes to gather support from surviving members of the republic against the FO.
5. Rey has dreams/visions of Kylo and one vision of the FO attacking some place and Leia being in danger. Snoke sends Kylo and Hux on a mission to finish off the resistance and surviving republic leaders, including Leia.
6. Luke and Rey immediately leave the island and head for this place, and contact Finn/Poe to tell them of the danger. Everybody rushes to save Leia.

Act II

1. The funeral is taking place on the beach and some people gather at a nearby building to discuss the future, including Leia.
2. There is a bomb blast in town. The resistance has just arrived and Finn and KMT use a space horse to warn the resistance leaders that the FO have arrived.
3. The FO launches an attack, both in the building and on the beach.
4. Luke and Rey reach the place and they split up. The resistance also arrives and a big fight begins.
5. We discover that Luke is immensely powerful and repels the FO in the building while trying to reach Leia. Rey is on the beach, surrounded by the injured and dead, and fighting the KOR.
6. The KOR corner Rey and one almost kills her. Kylo unexpectedly steps in and kills the knight. He seizes Rey and leaves.
7. Luke reaches Leia but she is seriously injured and he blames himself for not being there for his family.
8. The resistance has suffered severe losses in the fight and Rey is missing.
9. Finn, KMT and other resistance members are captured by Phasma and co.

Act III

1. Kylo has escaped with Rey alone. She hates him even more. We finally get to see his face and the scar. Rey tried to escape, sabotages the star ship and they get stranded somewhere, possibly some dangerous tropical jungle.
2. Then we learn Kylo's backstory. Facing dangers together, we see the beginnings of romance. Kylo also teaches Rey to develop her FS skills and as a result is again conflicted between light and dark.
3. Leia is in a coma. The resistance is in shambles. Poe and some of his people approach Laura Dern's character for help. She refuses because she doesn't like the resistance. Poe, in desperation, takes over the ship and heads to rescue Finn and the others.
4 Luke is trying to rally support and locates Lando with Maz's help. Lando agrees to help.
5. Phasma tortures Finn and wants to get him re-programmed. Rey senses Finn and her friends are in danger. She convinces a reluctant Kylo to help her reach them.
6. Rey and Kylo arrive and there is a huge fight. They free Finn and the others, and are almost captured again...but Poe and his people arrive to save the day. In the confusion, Rey gets captured by the KOR...and when Kylo tries to ask the resistance for help to save Rey, he gets captured by them with Luke's help.
7. Episode VIII ends with both Rey and Kylo as prisoners on different sides...Luke comes to visit an angry Kylo...and Rey is taken to see Snoke. We are left wondering what happened to Leia.


[I am going with the idea that Luke's students tried to kill a teenage Kylo when they found out he was Vader's grandson....Luke was away at the time the news spread...... Snoke got into his head like he did to Rey in Episode VII (but pretending to be Vader) and told him to kill them. Kylo blamed his parents for sending him away, he blamed Luke for not being there when he was in danger.....goaded by Snoke, in a rage, he killed his attackers and in the skirmish the jedi temple also burned down. He tried to fly back home but when he reached, he found that he was being blamed by his parents for the incident and felt he had nowhere to go. So he goes to Snoke and the FO. But this is where there is a twist...he doesn't like either the resistance or the FO. He is on a rogue mission to kill Snoke (since he has already destroyed the new jedi order)....the way his grandfather destroyed both jedi and sith...and he believes he is helping the galaxy in this way. Then we find out he never wanted to kill Han but had to do it to prove his loyalty to Snoke etc....and the ashes belong to the jedi students who tried to kill him....as a reminder to trust nobody.]
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This is really good! It isn't too far off from what I'm envisioning for Episode VIII.

Here are my guesses, based on the more credible-sounding leaks that we've gotten so far, shooting leaks, the shooting schedule, and foreshadowing in VII (copying and pasting some from @panki's plot):

Act I

1. Luke isn't happy to see Rey and refuses to leave the island. Rey sticks around trying to persuade him to return. Rey Skywalker de-bunked.
2. Finn has recovered and befriends resistance members including KMT's character.
3. We find out what "finishing his training" means for Kylo. I am guessing that he'll be getting orders to kill Luke and Rey and/or bring one or both of them to Snoke.
4. Luke shares at least some of Ben Solo's backstory with Rey.
5. The key players in the Resistance (Leia, Laura Dern's character, Finn, KMT, Poe, etc) make there way to the Dubrovnik city. My gut feeling is that this is a city where Leia had a home at one time, and Ben spent time there in his childhood.
6. Kylo and KOR show up on Ahct-To. KOR in the rain scene where Kylo saves Rey.
7. Word gets out that there's an assassination plot against Leia. Space Horse chase and some other things we saw in Dubrovnik.
8. Either Rey flees with Luke (but not before exchanging some knowing glances with Kylo and/or touching his scar). OR Rey willingly flees with Kylo (to escape) either because she thinks that Luke has been killed or because Luke instructs them to flee. Somehow, they're all aware of the plot against Leia, and whoever flees with who, they all head to Dubrovnik city.

Act II

1. IF Rey left with Kylo, the travel time between Ahch-To and Dubrovnik city could act as their "stranded together" time. Or maybe their ship breaks down or something to that effect.
2. FO attack and/or assassination attempt on Leia happens.
3. Luke heads to Dubrovnik city.
4. Having arrived in Dubrovnik city, "Rey is confused about her feelings". At some point, she comes into contact with Finn or sees him from a distance and realizes that he's "together" with KMT.
5. Amid the confusion and chaos, we get our kiss--either FinnTran or a heat-of-the-moment-in-the-chaos type thing with Reylo.
6. Luke looks for someone in a casino. Rey and/or Kylo?
7. The Resistance re-groups. We get the Poe-Laura Dern scene that was leaked.


Act III

I'm really not sure what to expect from Act III. I absolutely love the idea of VIII ending with Rey going off to train with an on-the-path-to-redemption Kylo (and then we'd get the training sequence at the beginning of IX that people were expecting in VIII...but it would be Rey and Kylo instead of Rey and Luke). I can't imagine that Finn, etc, would be too happy about this, if they knew about it.  On the other hand, I can see something happening (backstory reveal?) where Rey would come dangerously close to falling to the dark side, and we either end there or end with her falling into Snoke's hands (not by Kylo's doing, though).

For the B Plot, I'd assume that the Resistance will be in tatters and on the run from the FO.

Unknowns
* I have no idea what Benicio del Toro's character is.
* No idea what to expect from the FO characters--Snoke, Phasma, Hux
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 3:34 pm

We don't know if Rey is going to be on the Dubrovnik planet, though. Chloe Bruce was there, but the only scene we know her to have done is the explosion scene, where she was one of the stunt extras. And the way she "leaked" her whereabouts on social media - twice, even - makes me suspect it was deliberate misdirection. Razz
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 3:47 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:We don't know if Rey is going to be on the Dubrovnik planet, though. Chloe Bruce was there, but the only scene we know her to have done is the explosion scene, where she was one of the stunt extras. And the way she "leaked" her whereabouts on social media - twice, even - makes me suspect it was deliberate misdirection. Razz
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That's a really good point. I was going off the Chloe Bruce sighting to put Rey on the Dubrovnik planet.

If Rey isn't there and Luke is (Sforza sighting, "looking for someone in a casino" leak), then that would lend weight to Rey and Luke being split up at that point.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:16 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:We don't know if Rey is going to be on the Dubrovnik planet, though. Chloe Bruce was there, but the only scene we know her to have done is the explosion scene, where she was one of the stunt extras. And the way she "leaked" her whereabouts on social media - twice, even - makes me suspect it was deliberate misdirection. Razz
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That's a really good point. I was going off the Chloe Bruce sighting to put Rey on the Dubrovnik planet.

If Rey isn't there and Luke is (Sforza sighting, "looking for someone in a casino" leak), then that would lend weight to Rey and Luke being split up at that point.
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Agreed. I think it's at least possible that Rey and Luke are split up, Luke returns to help Leia, and spends time with Finn and KMT's character. This is of course pure conjecture on my part, but judging by Chelsea Hamill's Instagram posts, she seems to have quickly become good friends with KMT. I'm guessing KMT has spent at least some time with Mark on set to get to know the Hamills so well.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:22 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:We don't know if Rey is going to be on the Dubrovnik planet, though. Chloe Bruce was there, but the only scene we know her to have done is the explosion scene, where she was one of the stunt extras. And the way she "leaked" her whereabouts on social media - twice, even - makes me suspect it was deliberate misdirection. Razz
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That's a really good point. I was going off the Chloe Bruce sighting to put Rey on the Dubrovnik planet.

If Rey isn't there and Luke is (Sforza sighting, "looking for someone in a casino" leak), then that would lend weight to Rey and Luke being split up at that point.
@ISeeAnIsland

Agreed. I think it's at least possible that Rey and Luke are split up, Luke returns to help Leia, and spends time with Finn and KMT's character. This is of course pure conjecture on my part, but judging by Chelsea Hamill's Instagram posts, she seems to have quickly become good friends with KMT. I'm guessing KMT has spent at least some time with Mark on set to get to know the Hamills so well.
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And it would make sense that Leia being in danger would be something to lure Luke away from the island/back to the Resistance.
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Post by SanghaRen on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:32 pm

I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:36 pm

@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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Maybe that's where the rumored cave location could fit in? (Assuming that it's not a khyber crystal cave or a Dagobah-style cave where Rey has a vision.)
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:38 pm

@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
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Post by SanghaRen on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:51 pm

@Darth Dingbat

I haven't paid attention Embarassed I pretty much stayed only with the movies and a few books (which got me to know about Mara Jade). But I guess it's interesting to see that an average fan like me is craving for a mystical place like that without knowing that the idea is already there in the EU. So now, they have to put that idea in the movies because it satisfies both the average fan and the super fan. It's a MUST.

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The cave can be on Ahch-To so we have it all in one.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 4:54 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
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Ooh...  And that makes this interesting bit about Force Storms possibly very applicable:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28Tython%29

From wookiepedia wrote:A Force Storm was an event that occurred on the planet Tython when the world became out of balance in the Force. Most Force Storms consisted of significant and violent weather patterns, while some were occasionally accompanied by volcanic or seismic activities. Force Storms could be caused by powerful presences in either the light or dark sides of the Force, the arrival of many Force-sensitives on the planet, or the death of many Force-sensitives all at once. The largest Force Storm ever recorded occurred in 36,453 BBY, when the Tho Yor brought the Force-sensitive pilgrims to Tython,[1] and they remained common for the next sixteen hundred years, though the Balance philosophy of the Je'daii Order eventually helped tame the planet and make Force Storms a rarity.[2] In 25,793 BBY, the crash of the Rakatan ship Devourer caused a Force Storm of such magnitude that it matched the strength of the first Storm in 36,453 BBY.[3]
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Post by SanghaRen on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 5:05 pm

And now I am dreaming about seeing a Force Storm. The minute I read that I was thinking about the storm in Mad Max except with rain.

Sometimes I wonder if it's not a bit dangerous to think so much about what we'd like to see. I can see myself in December 2017 come out of VIII viewing and being angry "Where was my Force Storm? I wanted a force storm!" Mad
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 5:11 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

Ooh...  And that makes this interesting bit about Force Storms possibly very applicable:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28Tython%29

From wookiepedia wrote:A Force Storm was an event that occurred on the planet Tython when the world became out of balance in the Force. Most Force Storms consisted of significant and violent weather patterns, while some were occasionally accompanied by volcanic or seismic activities. Force Storms could be caused by powerful presences in either the light or dark sides of the Force, the arrival of many Force-sensitives on the planet, or the death of many Force-sensitives all at once. The largest Force Storm ever recorded occurred in 36,453 BBY, when the Tho Yor brought the Force-sensitive pilgrims to Tython,[1] and they remained common for the next sixteen hundred years, though the Balance philosophy of the Je'daii Order eventually helped tame the planet and make Force Storms a rarity.[2] In 25,793 BBY, the crash of the Rakatan ship Devourer caused a Force Storm of such magnitude that it matched the strength of the first Storm in 36,453 BBY.[3]
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Precisely Smile And it goes with what I said in the Je'daii thread about the Dawn of the Jedi comics - there was a Force storm as well, caused by the arrival of Xesh.

I imagine Kylo's arrival on Ahch-To would be enough to trigger a Force storm, as well.
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Post by SanghaRen on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 5:14 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
@SanghaRen

I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

Ooh...  And that makes this interesting bit about Force Storms possibly very applicable:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28Tython%29

From wookiepedia wrote:A Force Storm was an event that occurred on the planet Tython when the world became out of balance in the Force. Most Force Storms consisted of significant and violent weather patterns, while some were occasionally accompanied by volcanic or seismic activities. Force Storms could be caused by powerful presences in either the light or dark sides of the Force, the arrival of many Force-sensitives on the planet, or the death of many Force-sensitives all at once. The largest Force Storm ever recorded occurred in 36,453 BBY, when the Tho Yor brought the Force-sensitive pilgrims to Tython,[1] and they remained common for the next sixteen hundred years, though the Balance philosophy of the Je'daii Order eventually helped tame the planet and make Force Storms a rarity.[2] In 25,793 BBY, the crash of the Rakatan ship Devourer caused a Force Storm of such magnitude that it matched the strength of the first Storm in 36,453 BBY.[3]
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Precisely Smile And it goes with what I said in the Je'daii thread about the Dawn of the Jedi comics - there was a Force storm as well, caused by the arrival of Xesh.

I imagine Kylo's arrival on Ahch-To would be enough to trigger a Force storm, as well.
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Kylo's arrival to Ahch-To triggering a Force Storm : I love it! This is getting all mystical and epic cheers
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 5:16 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
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I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

Ooh...  And that makes this interesting bit about Force Storms possibly very applicable:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Storm_%28Tython%29

From wookiepedia wrote:A Force Storm was an event that occurred on the planet Tython when the world became out of balance in the Force. Most Force Storms consisted of significant and violent weather patterns, while some were occasionally accompanied by volcanic or seismic activities. Force Storms could be caused by powerful presences in either the light or dark sides of the Force, the arrival of many Force-sensitives on the planet, or the death of many Force-sensitives all at once. The largest Force Storm ever recorded occurred in 36,453 BBY, when the Tho Yor brought the Force-sensitive pilgrims to Tython,[1] and they remained common for the next sixteen hundred years, though the Balance philosophy of the Je'daii Order eventually helped tame the planet and make Force Storms a rarity.[2] In 25,793 BBY, the crash of the Rakatan ship Devourer caused a Force Storm of such magnitude that it matched the strength of the first Storm in 36,453 BBY.[3]
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Precisely Smile And it goes with what I said in the Je'daii thread about the Dawn of the Jedi comics - there was a Force storm as well, caused by the arrival of Xesh.

I imagine Kylo's arrival on Ahch-To would be enough to trigger a Force storm, as well.
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Ooh, I love it!  And that does look like a pretty epic storm.

You'd also have Rey (and presumably Luke) there. And if any of the KOR are Force Sensitive at all...  Yeah, that's a lot of FSes in one place.
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Post by Jozie on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 9:20 pm

Love the idea, especially Yoda's part Wink But I don't think this would happen in VIII... In the end of the second part of a trilogy the characters should be in their lowest points, right?
My take on the ending of VIII: Let's assume that in the end Rey manages to escape from wherever they were trying to turn her (I imagine Snoke living in a cave), goes out in the rain, there are all these corpses everywhere (maybe the Resistance lost to FO trying to save her? but they didn't know KoR where there to slaugther everyone...?) So she's horrified by them, trips and falls... let's say she's weakend from some tortures or anything that was supposed to turn her. that's when one knight gets to her, tries to kill her and Kylo Ren saves her. Look at each other for a moment, when it looks like Millenium Falcon came to rescue her (maybe Luke on the board who sensed her?). She wants to help Kylo out in fighting the rest of the Knights, but he's like "Go, now!" and force freezes them. So maybe Finn, or Poe or someone, seeing that she doesnt move goes out to her and drags her to the Falcon... Kylo Ren can't see her cause he has to be very focused on this massive force freeze... but those Knights have a bit of force in them so its more and more difficult for him. Rey is almost on the ship, and thats when Kylo Ren turns away to look at her for the last time... Orpheus style. And then the force freeze breaks. Rey sees how the Knights kick him to his kness, grab him and drag to one of the rocks to execute him... The last thing she sees is the swing of the lightsaber...

And then we'd have two years of "TOP TEN REASONS WHY KYLO REN WILL COME BACK IN EP IX" Wink

Btw this post wasnt supposed to be this long. Sorry for my English, greetings from Poland;)
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Post by Darth Rowan on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 9:24 pm

@Jozie wrote:Love the idea, especially Yoda's part Wink But I don't think this would happen in VIII... In the end of the second part of a trilogy the characters should be in their lowest points, right?
My take on the ending of VIII: Let's assume that in the end Rey manages to escape from wherever they were trying to turn her (I imagine Snoke living in a cave), goes out in the rain, there are all these corpses everywhere (maybe the Resistance lost to FO trying to save her? but they didn't know KoR where there to slaugther everyone...?) So she's horrified by them, trips and falls... let's say she's weakend from some tortures or anything that was supposed to turn her.  that's when one knight gets to her, tries to kill her and Kylo Ren saves her. Look at each other for a moment, when it looks like Millenium Falcon came to rescue her (maybe Luke on the board who sensed her?). She wants to help Kylo out in fighting the rest of the Knights, but he's like "Go, now!" and force freezes them. So maybe Finn, or Poe or someone, seeing that she doesnt move goes out to her and drags her to the Falcon... Kylo Ren can't see her cause he has to be very focused on this massive force freeze... but those Knights have a bit of force in them so its more and more difficult for him. Rey is almost on the ship, and thats when Kylo Ren turns away to look at her for the last time... Orpheus style. And then the force freeze breaks.  Rey sees how the Knights kick him to his kness, grab him and drag to one of the rocks to execute him... The last thing she sees is the swing of the lightsaber...

And then we'd have two years of "TOP TEN REASONS WHY KYLO REN WILL COME BACK IN EP IX" Wink

Btw this post wasnt supposed to be this long. Sorry for my English, greetings from Poland;)

Welcome, @Jozie.
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Post by BastilaBey on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 9:53 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
@SanghaRen

I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

What about the possibility of Rey and Kylo getting stranded on Rakata Prime after Ahch-to? It's on the map, is another Revan parallel and could be the jungle/cave setting.

I am so excited to see these two in scenes together again!
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 14 Apr 2016, 10:09 pm

@BastilaBey wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
@SanghaRen

I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

What about the possibility of Rey and Kylo getting stranded on Rakata Prime after Ahch-to? It's on the map, is another Revan parallel and could be the jungle/cave setting.

I am so excited to see these two in scenes together again!
@BastilaBey
That's an interesting idea, given that Rakata Prime was recently re-introduced to being canon. I think you'd have to figure that it'll show up in VIII, IX, or Rogue One.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Fri 15 Apr 2016, 2:58 am

@BastilaBey wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@SanghaRen wrote:I think that Rey and Luke should not be together too long. I have the feeling it would overshadow Rey. And it would be nice to see Luke and Leia together so my guess would also be that Luke goes to work more with the Resistance. And Rey and Kylo would have their moment.

I had this idea that Rey and Kylo could be stranded in a place of importance for the Force rather than a normal dangerous place. How they would get there, no idea. And they would both be tested by the Force without knowing it. And then once Rey and Kylo will have succeeded the test, you would have the Force Ghosts of Obi, Anakin and Yoda appear in the mist and Yoda would say something smart like "Bring balance to the Force the boy and the girl will." There should be a prize to this test, but I have not made my mind up yet if it would be something material or just the acknowledgment for both Rey and Kylo that they have been chosen to be allies in bringing balance.

I need something mystical Smile
@SanghaRen

I think the mystical Force place you're looking for might be Ahch-To itself Smile I've said this before, but Ahch-To is basically Tython:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tython
@Darth Dingbat

What about the possibility of Rey and Kylo getting stranded on Rakata Prime after Ahch-to? It's on the map, is another Revan parallel and could be the jungle/cave setting.

I am so excited to see these two in scenes together again!
@BastilaBey

Who knows! Could be. But the fact that they spend so much time shooting in different locations in Ireland makes me think they'll probably spend a lot of time on Ahch-To. Now it just remains to be seen which actors turn up where (if we ever find out) - is it Mark and Daisy, Mark and Daisy with Adam, or just Daisy and Adam... Razz

I haven't heard anything about them scouting for jungle locations - have they? I heard about the caves in Mexico, but the cave could easily be on Ahch-To as well.
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Post by SanghaRen on Fri 15 Apr 2016, 11:26 am

@Jozie wrote:Love the idea, especially Yoda's part Wink But I don't think this would happen in VIII... In the end of the second part of a trilogy the characters should be in their lowest points, right?
My take on the ending of VIII: Let's assume that in the end Rey manages to escape from wherever they were trying to turn her (I imagine Snoke living in a cave), goes out in the rain, there are all these corpses everywhere (maybe the Resistance lost to FO trying to save her? but they didn't know KoR where there to slaugther everyone...?) So she's horrified by them, trips and falls... let's say she's weakend from some tortures or anything that was supposed to turn her.  that's when one knight gets to her, tries to kill her and Kylo Ren saves her. Look at each other for a moment, when it looks like Millenium Falcon came to rescue her (maybe Luke on the board who sensed her?). She wants to help Kylo out in fighting the rest of the Knights, but he's like "Go, now!" and force freezes them. So maybe Finn, or Poe or someone, seeing that she doesnt move goes out to her and drags her to the Falcon... Kylo Ren can't see her cause he has to be very focused on this massive force freeze... but those Knights have a bit of force in them so its more and more difficult for him. Rey is almost on the ship, and thats when Kylo Ren turns away to look at her for the last time... Orpheus style. And then the force freeze breaks.  Rey sees how the Knights kick him to his kness, grab him and drag to one of the rocks to execute him... The last thing she sees is the swing of the lightsaber...

And then we'd have two years of "TOP TEN REASONS WHY KYLO REN WILL COME BACK IN EP IX" Wink

Btw this post wasnt supposed to be this long. Sorry for my English, greetings from Poland;)
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Hello Jozie from Poland!

Oh my, it's a valid scenario, but SO depressing. I really hope we don't get such a cliffhanger at the end of VIII. I know we will probably get one, because it's more or less the rule in a trilogy, but would be nice if it's a softer one. Another 2 years of fandom war is a scary thought. Plus Adam Driver would get stalked to see if he's actually shooting or not Neutral

I personally hope that Luke still has a soft spot for his nephew and would not let him die. He always saw good in people, which annoyed me a bit although I would not want him to be different - makes no sense, I know -  so I would not see him hurting Leia's son. Actually, I would not be surprised if he had the chance at one point to killl Kylo and didn't. And now he feels guilty because he could have stopped it all, but could not bring himself to kill his nephew and started to doubt the Force and the Light Side. Going then in exile because he wants nothing to do with it anymore.
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Post by Jozie on Fri 15 Apr 2016, 11:56 am

@SanghaRen

I know it's depressing and that fans wouldn't like it, but I think Kylo Ren's redemption wouldn't be believable without some serious sacrifice - or at least something that would spark similar emotions in the viewers. For Rey, the thought that Kylo Ren sacrificed his life for her could also be a gamechanger and make her love him. And then he'd be back of course, maybe Snoke would stop the Knights of Ren from killing him to have the last shot at manipulating him into the darkness? After all Kylo's a precious possession for Snoke. Either way I was so happy to have come up with that (it allows me to have my Kylo Ren cake and eat it), and then I realized the same thing was in Harry Potter, part three:) When Harry and Hermione were certain they witnessed the Hippogriff's death (they could hear the swish of the axe) but later it turns out that the executioner swung his axe into a pumpkin and Hippogriff lived. So same thing would happen in my scenario, just with a lightsaber instead of an axe and Kylo Ren instead of Buckbeak the hippogriff Very Happy

And I totally agree - Luke would not even fight Kylo Ren, or even call him Kylo Ren for that matter - he'd still be his nephew who was seduced by Snoke and whom he'd try to get back. I like your idea about Luke not killing him and regretting it... makes a lot of sense!
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