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Post by Irina de France on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 3:14 pm

Where's the tweet? I can't find it.
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Post by Birdwoman on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 7:16 pm

I am just hoping in the next year they will completely debunk the Rey is Luke's kid theory. They did it with the Jyn is Rey's mom theory before Rogue One came out.

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Post by Guest on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 8:00 pm

@Birdwoman wrote:I am just hoping in the next year they will completely debunk the Rey is Luke's kid theory. They did it with the Jyn is Rey's mom theory before Rogue One came out.
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Oh I'm certain they will! I don't think they'll do it before the movie comes out in case it turns away some fanboys, but no doubt they will jump at the chance after the release.

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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 04 Jan 2017, 9:12 pm

Daisy Ridley (Rey): "When something occurs when you’re 5, you know what went on but you don’t understand the reasoning. She's hopeful for what lies ahead, whether that involves the past or not."


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If Rey's parents are darksiders, would they dump their potentially strong force user off on Jakku? Or would they keep her and corrupt her and train her themselves?



If Rey's parents are losers and wanted to get off of Jakku so they would sell her to Unkar Plutt... is that even a fair trade? Would a smart business man trade a good space ship and two adult workers for one useless five year old kid?

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Post by IoJovi on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 12:55 am

Husband turned on TFA for me this morning on this wintery crappy day (because he loves me just that much) and by golly I was getting some very strong Kenobi vibes in terms of Rey's lineage this time around.  I have lost count on how many times I've seen this movie, and although I've entertained the idea that it's possible in the past, I've not had such a strong feeling in terms of it until now.  

I can't pinpoint it to one specific scene or piece of information - it's just a feeling, topped off by the very last image of Rey handing Luke the saber.  And going further, it would make sense as to why the saber would call to her in that regard.  

On top of that, it would tie into the prequels nicely, bringing Anakin's and Obi Wan's brotherly relationship full circle.

I'm still very open to other outcomes in case I'm wrong, but I had to share.  Smile
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Post by snufkin on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:38 am

@IoJovi wrote:Husband turned on TFA for me this morning on this wintery crappy day (because he loves me just that much) and by golly I was getting some very strong Kenobi vibes in terms of Rey's lineage this time around.  I have lost count on how many times I've seen this movie, and although I've entertained the idea that it's possible in the past, I've not had such a strong feeling in terms of it until now.  

I can't pinpoint it to one specific scene or piece of information - it's just a feeling, topped off by the very last image of Rey handing Luke the saber.  And going further, it would make sense as to why the saber would call to her in that regard.  

On top of that, it would tie into the prequels nicely, bringing Anakin's and Obi Wan's brotherly relationship full circle.

I'm still very open to other outcomes in case I'm wrong, but I had to share.  :)
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First viewing, it was really the reveal of his birth name by Han that started me thinking. Because the vision then means she interacts directly with both men named Ben. And the last re-watch of the first movie, I saw a pretty clear parallel once she's tricked James Bond and is trying to escape from SKB. They cut back and forth in the original film between Obi Wan trying to get the tractor beam turned off/sneaking around and Vader sensing him being there there and tracking him down. It climaxes in the moment when Obi-Wan is headed back to the MF, there's that first moment where he turns the corner and Vader is waiting with lit saber to cut him off. It's at the very beginning of their scene together/fight. They show that clearly on the SKB scenes where she's sneaking around trying to escape and he's pursuing her before eventually cutting off her escape route to the MF and fighting her And in both scenarios: 1) You hear the sound of the lit saber first before Vader/Ren are shown blocking the escape route and 2) it's very personal and to do with Vader/Ren's insecurities and trying to show that they're in control/more powerful.



Which is referenced when Finn is leading Rey through the forest back to the MF to escape and their escape route is cut off by Ren. They signal he's there with the sound of him lighting the saber when he confronts her (given all of the verbal cues that he's focused on her and Finn is a 3rd wheel)

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Post by IoJovi on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:00 am

@snufkin wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:Husband turned on TFA for me this morning on this wintery crappy day (because he loves me just that much) and by golly I was getting some very strong Kenobi vibes in terms of Rey's lineage this time around.  I have lost count on how many times I've seen this movie, and although I've entertained the idea that it's possible in the past, I've not had such a strong feeling in terms of it until now.  

I can't pinpoint it to one specific scene or piece of information - it's just a feeling, topped off by the very last image of Rey handing Luke the saber.  And going further, it would make sense as to why the saber would call to her in that regard.  

On top of that, it would tie into the prequels nicely, bringing Anakin's and Obi Wan's brotherly relationship full circle.

I'm still very open to other outcomes in case I'm wrong, but I had to share.  Smile
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First viewing, it was really the reveal of his birth name by Han that started me thinking. Because the vision then means she interacts directly with both men named Ben. And the last re-watch of the first movie, I saw a pretty clear parallel once she's tricked James Bond and is trying to escape from SKB. They cut back and forth in the original film between Obi Wan trying to get the tractor beam turned off/sneaking around and Vader sensing him being there there and tracking him down. It climaxes in the moment when Obi-Wan is headed back to the MF, there's that first moment where he turns the corner and Vader is waiting with lit saber to cut him off. It's at the very beginning of their scene together/fight. They show that clearly on the SKB scenes where she's sneaking around trying to escape and he's pursuing her before eventually cutting off her escape route to the MF and fighting her And in both scenarios: 1) You hear the sound of the lit saber first before Vader/Ren are shown blocking the escape route and 2) it's very personal and to do with Vader/Ren's insecurities and trying to show that they're in control/more powerful.



Which is referenced when Finn is leading Rey through the forest back to the MF to escape and their escape route is cut off by Ren. They signal he's there with the sound of him lighting the saber when he confronts her (given all of the verbal cues that he's focused on her and Finn is a 3rd wheel)

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That is truly amazing and I never looked at it that way. Seriously, wow!!!

I don't like to base hints to Rey's lineage on certain call backs to the OT (99℅ of Reywalker theories are built on stuff like this), but there is something that's truly poetic about that scenario, and adds yet another meaning to the final snow fight. If she truly is a Kenobi descendant, that's really beautifully done.
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Post by snufkin on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:34 am

@IoJovi wrote:
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That is truly amazing and I never looked at it that way.  Seriously, wow!!!

I don't like to base hints to Rey's lineage on certain call backs to the OT (99℅ of Reywalker theories are built on stuff like this), but there is something that's truly poetic about that scenario, and adds yet another meaning to the final snow fight.  If she truly is a Kenobi descendant, that's really beautifully done.

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That particular parallel didn't occur to me until the latest TBS marathon, when I saw the first movie and during the back and forth cuts between Vader and Obi-Wan, I was like "did they reference that in TFA?" So I went back and watched that part of TFA again and boy did I ever notice it. They mix things up a little because it's balancing both his awareness of his father via the Force and also trying to hunt down Rey before she escape. But both movies have the back and forth movement of these two characters in a cat and mouse chase. The moment when he cuts off her escape route back to the MF (with poor Finn as the ignored 3rd wheel) in the forest is staged exactly like the original moment. When Obi-Wan rounds the corner to the last corridor back to the MF and Vader is there. You first hear the saber lighting up in both moments. Then there's the reveal with the respective physical positions being bad guy on the left (each holding the saber down to the right side of his body) and good guy on the right hand side of the screen. Maybe it's just a callback like all the other ones in the movie (and the fight happens during the biggest callback of X-Wings trying to blow up bad guy's super weapon). But they clearly put so time and detail on screen in referencing that specific narrative thread. Versus the other Easter Eggs, which are all winks and throwaways. It just felt significant rewatching those two sequences together in a way that made me wonder if there was a much deeper parallel and meaning.

tl:dr - that sequence, him and Obi-Wan interacting directly with Rey in the Force vision, and the reveal by Han (which if it was Harrison Ford's idea, is brilliant on the level of "I know") that he and Leia named their son Ben are why I've considered that she's related to Obi-Wan.
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Post by panki on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 6:16 am

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1. I like the idea of the Acolytes of the Beyond trying to take their "Vader Lives" grafitti to the next level by bringing Vader back from the dead through cloning....so they go to his castle on Mustafar, take what they think are Anakin's old robes and create a female clone with the genetic material they find on it (female= possibly more docile?).

2. Unfortunately, they took the wrong robes and ended up cloning Obi-wan instead (Vader kept Obi-wan's robes in legends) .....they discover their mistake when the little girl is around 5 years old and shows no traits of Anakin when they test her (this explains the battle costume she is wearing).

3. So they abandon her on Jakku to either die or spend the rest of her days as a slave of Unkar Plutt (Jakku seems to be a force negative planet after some ancient events caused by a character the Teedos worship as the Goddess Riia- so this is one place she would not be able to develop force powers and would therefore never discover her true potential).

4. Jakku is also the last stop before the Unknown Regions...if she were Vader's clone, they would have taken her to Snoke for training instead of dumping her there....now instead of wasting time and resources trying to clone Anakin again, maybe they decided to get hold of his grandson instead since he anyway has the blood of Anakin/Vader in him.... a story like this makes a lot more sense to me than trying to force deadbeat dad status on the one character who represents the ultimate in jedi values.

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Post by snufkin on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 6:23 am

@panki - it's possible. And you're right about the implications of  a deadbeat dad scenario for a heroic character. But if they went through with it, my guess is that it'd be more likely to fall on Obi-Wan's shoulders than Luke's. Otherwise, just having read a lot of science fiction, I hard time seeing how it could work making her a clone. Can't even speak to the PT baggage b/c I didn't really pay that much attention to it. But if people are weird about the whole midichlorian thing, making Rey a clone might also provoke the same response. Also completely subjective, but whatever attachments and/or memories she has a clone would make it even more sad/pathetic.  Clones and borrowed consciousness are a pretty central trope from the Golden Age of Science Fiction, Leigh Brackett even originally wrote Lando to be a clone. For the main replicant in Blade Runner/Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Rachel, finding out that her treasured memories are just a fake identity which mean nothing turns into her central motivation. And is what spark's Deckard's change of attitude in the movie (it's a literal "you have compassion for her" moment). In the original novel by Phillip K. D ick, the ending isn't wildly romantic or hopeful. She just learns the truth and it turns her into somebody who's bitter and vengeful. So personally, I have a hard time seeing how making Rey learn that she's a clone would resolve her dilemma of finding out who she is and where she came. Or within the the space opera/fairy tale genre the movies tend to stay faithful to.

Mostly what I'm saying is that those three above details I noticed in TFA in parallel with the original movie are really striking with how they call back to Obi-Wan. And they're significant enough details that there has to be a connection between the two characters. But we'll have to wait for the next installment to at least learn if it's simply thematic or more than DNA.
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Post by panki on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 10:03 am

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I do agree with your point about the identity issues in other literature but I think the clone idea is the safest way to prevent either Obi-wan or Luke from being a deadbeat Dad (I'm not comfortable with either of them being labelled with that)....I'm a huge fan of Obi-wan as a character and don't want his legacy as one of the great upholders of the traditional jedi order to be ruined with some illicit romance.

In the SW universe, we have seen an army of clones in the PT...while they might have had their own issues courtesy Palpatine's implant chip, none of them suffered from identity crisis or got flashbacks of Jango Fett's past memories...they were very much their own person (a great example being Captain Rex- another interesting point is that Rex is the male version of the name Rey).......I've also seen two instances (one in SW legends and one in Marvel comics) where female clones of powerful and important characters have stories that are more about their own identity/ powers and about fulfilling some greater destiny rather than having memories of their genetic "parent" and suffering for it.

The idea of making a female clone of a great jedi master has been explored already in legends in Jarael's story (who fights with a staff just like Rey and is born due to a mix up and the wrong jedi master's genetic material is used)...and though she had a few moments of turmoil regarding her heritage, her story is primarily about saving the slaves she grew up with (she was kidnapped and made a slave as a little girl....a bit like Rey and the Jakku scavengers) and also about helping her clear her LI's name (who she initially beat up when they first met) as he was falsely accused of murdering his fellow padawans.

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I was also thinking of another similar story in Marvel of Wolverine's daughter X-23 (whose appearance seems to be foreshadowed in the latest X-men movie where a sample of his blood is being taken away from a research facility)....X-23 is a clone born in a research facility (research facilities on Jakku?)...she is exposed to radiation to uncover her latent mutant abilities (not unlike Rey's experiences in Maz's basement where she is first awakened to the force).......and initially she is not aware of her parentage and is alone for a long time but eventually finds family with the other mutants at the Xavier Institute.

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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 1:32 pm

You can't be a dead beat Dad if you did not know you had a kid, in that measure even Darth is not a dead beat. Between Obi & Luke the only one set up to be an unknowing Dad like Papa Darth is Obi... if the SG decides to go that route, the skeleton of the story is there.
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Post by panki on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:02 pm

@spacebaby45678 wrote:You can't be a dead beat Dad if you did not know you had a kid, in that measure even Darth is not a dead beat. Between Obi & Luke the only one set up to be an unknowing Dad like Papa Darth is Obi... if the SG decides to go that route, the skeleton of the story is there.
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I have no issue with Rey being a Kenobi but it should not be done by ruining Obi-wan's character by either making him break the jedi code or being a deadbeat Dad.

1. If Korkie is Obi-wan's child, then Obi-wan is a deadbeat Dad because he spent a good amount of time around him in TCW and never acknowledged him.

2. If Obi-wan and Satine had a child (Korkie or not) and she never told him, even at the time of her death, then he isn't a deadbeat Dad but she comes across looking really bad....she had enough time to tell him about her feelings for him, he had enough time to tell her he would have left the order if she asked...but no mention of a child? Makes no sense or makes Satine look stupid.

3. I see no skeleton for Obi-wan being a parent by conventional means....everyone both in the story and in LF interviews refer to him as a hermit...let us just look at legends, most of which is being brought into canon- Obi-wan had no child....Obi-wan was the finest jedi, never fell or was tempted to fall to the  dark side even in the face of extreme loss and pain...true jedi look at people in general with compassion- they don't do things to hurt others and I think having a fling with some female and leaving her and/or their child to go care for Luke is extremely callous and selfish.....they would never do that with Obi-wan's character.

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Post by Gemini on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:17 pm

Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:40 pm

@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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Obi does not know that korkie exists
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Post by panki on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:41 pm

@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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When the possibility of Korkie as a Kenobi came up, I have to admit I was intrigued by the possibility and re-watched TCW... Obi-wan spends time with Satine and Korkie in TCW (they are definitely in the same place when Satine gets killed)....and we see no special interaction between them....no acknowledgement....no hint of anything.

I agree hidden back stories work for many characters...but not for someone who is most famous for upholding the jedi code, never straying even when provoked or tempted and dedicating himself to Luke.

Think about it...Obi had several occasions to stray from the jedi order and he turned his back on them....even Palpatine told Dooku in canon that Obi-wan would never be tempted from the jedi order to their side.

Obi-wan could have lost control on several occasions:

- When Qui Gon was killed in front of him
-When Dooku captured him and asked him to join him or die and bringing up Qui Gon
-When Satine died in front of him
- When Anakin turned and not killing him when he had the chance
- Living on a desert, guarding young Luke and feeling despair, especially when Owen tells him to stay away

The very idea that he embarks on a secret affair implies he has no sense of control over his emotions.....that would never happen considering he maintained his inner composure for much more extreme circumstances, some of which I have listed above.....And these are really trying circumstances....but he held fast to his beliefs and the jedi code through it all....so it makes no sense that he would put it all aside to act on a physical attraction.


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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:45 pm

@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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Obi does not know that korkie exists
@panki wrote:
@spacebaby45678 wrote:You can't be a dead beat Dad if you did not know you had a kid, in that measure even Darth is not a dead beat. Between Obi & Luke the only one set up to be an unknowing Dad like Papa Darth is Obi... if the SG decides to go that route, the skeleton of the story is there.
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I have no issue with Rey being a Kenobi but it should not be done by ruining Obi-wan's character by either making him break the jedi code or being a deadbeat Dad.

1. If Korkie is Obi-wan's child, then Obi-wan is a deadbeat Dad because he spent a good amount of time around him in TCW and never acknowledged him.

2. If Obi-wan and Satine had a child (Korkie or not) and she never told him, even at the time of her death, then he isn't a deadbeat Dad but she comes across looking really bad....she had enough time to tell him about her feelings for him, he had enough time to tell her he would have left the order if she asked...but no mention of a child? Makes no sense or makes Satine look stupid.

3. I see no skeleton for Obi-wan being a parent by conventional means....everyone both in the story and in LF interviews refer to him as a hermit...let us just look at legends, most of which is being brought into canon- Obi-wan had no child....Obi-wan was the finest jedi, never fell or was tempted to fall to the  dark side even in the face of extreme loss and pain...true jedi look at people in general with compassion- they don't do things to hurt others and I think having a fling with some female and leaving her and/or their child to go care for Luke is extremely callous and selfish.....they would never do that with Obi-wan's character.
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Rey can be a niece of Obi, or Random it does not matter, however, I don't think Obi is such a black and white character. Obi lied to Luke, Obi should have killed Anakin on Mustafar but his love for Anakin interfered with that. How many people died because Obi did not do the right thing? Obi totally ignores subtlies from Satine, things he should have picked up on.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:48 pm

@panki wrote:
@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
@Gemini

When the possibility of Korkie as a Kenobi came up, I have to admit I was intrigued by the possibility and re-watched TCW... Obi-wan spends time with Satine and Korkie in TCW (they are definitely in the same place when Satine gets killed)....and we see no special interaction between them....no acknowledgement....no hint of anything.

I agree hidden back stories work for many characters...but not for someone who is most famous for upholding the jedi code, never straying even when provoked or tempted and dedicating himself to Luke.

Think about it...Obi had several occasions to stray from the jedi order and he turned his back on them....even Palpatine told Dooku in canon that Obi-wan would never be tempted from the jedi order to their side.

Obi-wan could have lost control on several occasions:

- When Qui Gon was killed in front of him
-When Dooku captured him and asked him to join him or die and bringing up Qui Gon
-When Satine died in front of him
- When Anakin turned and not killing him when he had the chance
- Living on a desert, guarding young Luke and feeling despair, especially when Owen tells him to stay away

The very idea that he embarks on a secret affair implies he has no sense of control over his emotions.....that would never happen considering he maintained his inner composure for much more extreme circumstances, some of which I have listed above.....And these are really trying circumstances....but he held fast to his beliefs and the jedi code through it all....so it makes no sense that he would put it all aside to act on a physical attraction.
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Obi never spends time with Korkie, he never meets him and does not know he exists, Obi does not learn Satine has a sister until Maul kills her
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Post by panki on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 4:51 pm

@spacebaby45678 wrote:
@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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Obi does not know that korkie exists
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@spacebaby45678 wrote:You can't be a dead beat Dad if you did not know you had a kid, in that measure even Darth is not a dead beat. Between Obi & Luke the only one set up to be an unknowing Dad like Papa Darth is Obi... if the SG decides to go that route, the skeleton of the story is there.
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I have no issue with Rey being a Kenobi but it should not be done by ruining Obi-wan's character by either making him break the jedi code or being a deadbeat Dad.

1. If Korkie is Obi-wan's child, then Obi-wan is a deadbeat Dad because he spent a good amount of time around him in TCW and never acknowledged him.

2. If Obi-wan and Satine had a child (Korkie or not) and she never told him, even at the time of her death, then he isn't a deadbeat Dad but she comes across looking really bad....she had enough time to tell him about her feelings for him, he had enough time to tell her he would have left the order if she asked...but no mention of a child? Makes no sense or makes Satine look stupid.

3. I see no skeleton for Obi-wan being a parent by conventional means....everyone both in the story and in LF interviews refer to him as a hermit...let us just look at legends, most of which is being brought into canon- Obi-wan had no child....Obi-wan was the finest jedi, never fell or was tempted to fall to the  dark side even in the face of extreme loss and pain...true jedi look at people in general with compassion- they don't do things to hurt others and I think having a fling with some female and leaving her and/or their child to go care for Luke is extremely callous and selfish.....they would never do that with Obi-wan's character.
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Rey can be a niece of Obi, or Random it does not matter, however, I don't think Obi is such a black and white character. Obi lied to Luke, Obi should have killed Anakin on Mustafar but his love for Anakin interfered with that. How many people died because Obi did not do the right thing? Obi totally ignores subtlies from Satine, things he should have picked up on.
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Obi-wan is pretty much a straight forward character and a true jedi.....and about the two occasions you listed:

1. There is a deleted scene in ESB that clarifies that Yoda told Obi-wan to lie to Luke about Vader killing his father...though Obi wanted to tell the truth....so this means Obi-wan was just obeying Yoda and therefore still following the rules of the jedi order and obeying the grand master.

2. Please read the novelisation of ROTS- Obi-wan didn't kill Anakin because he realised he would turn to the dark side if he killed him....not because of love.....the jedi don't kill unarmed people, and Anakin was unarmed and wounded badly- it isnt the jedi way. So again, Obi-wan was upholding the jedi code, not acting on emotions.


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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 5:07 pm

@Gemini wrote:Was obi wan ever introduced to korkie?

I need to watch the clonewars


To be honest I've always thought obi having a kid (knowing him or not) actually makes his character more interesting and three dimensional. I think the audience would flock in to see what happened. I Can't help but love a secret backstory being revealed about a character we thought we all knew.
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Obi does not know that korkie exists
@panki wrote:
@spacebaby45678 wrote:You can't be a dead beat Dad if you did not know you had a kid, in that measure even Darth is not a dead beat. Between Obi & Luke the only one set up to be an unknowing Dad like Papa Darth is Obi... if the SG decides to go that route, the skeleton of the story is there.
@spacebaby45678

I have no issue with Rey being a Kenobi but it should not be done by ruining Obi-wan's character by either making him break the jedi code or being a deadbeat Dad.

1. If Korkie is Obi-wan's child, then Obi-wan is a deadbeat Dad because he spent a good amount of time around him in TCW and never acknowledged him.

2. If Obi-wan and Satine had a child (Korkie or not) and she never told him, even at the time of her death, then he isn't a deadbeat Dad but she comes across looking really bad....she had enough time to tell him about her feelings for him, he had enough time to tell her he would have left the order if she asked...but no mention of a child? Makes no sense or makes Satine look stupid.

3. I see no skeleton for Obi-wan being a parent by conventional means....everyone both in the story and in LF interviews refer to him as a hermit...let us just look at legends, most of which is being brought into canon- Obi-wan had no child....Obi-wan was the finest jedi, never fell or was tempted to fall to the  dark side even in the face of extreme loss and pain...true jedi look at people in general with compassion- they don't do things to hurt others and I think having a fling with some female and leaving her and/or their child to go care for Luke is extremely callous and selfish.....they would never do that with Obi-wan's character.
@panki

Rey can be a niece of Obi, or Random it does not matter, however, I don't think Obi is such a black and white character. Obi lied to Luke, Obi should have killed Anakin on Mustafar but his love for Anakin interfered with that. How many people died because Obi did not do the right thing? Obi totally ignores subtlies from Satine, things he should have picked up on.
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Post by snufkin on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 8:39 pm

Happy birthday Elvis! @spacebaby45678, I hope you're having a PB&B sandwich in the Jungle Room. Otherwise, like I've said before I have my theories, others have their theories, I see Disney more likely to go the Bambi route with Rey's backstory than Pinocchio. But I don't really have the interest/energy to get into another round of trying to prove my Rey theory beats other peoples' Rey theories. It's too soon to know, just that I wanted to share that one cool detail I noticed from the film production with @IoJovi.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 8:47 pm

@snufkin wrote:Happy birthday Elvis! @spacebaby45678, I hope you're having a sandwich in the Jungle Room. Otherwise, like I've said before I have my theories, others have their theories, but I don't really have the interest/energy to get into another round of trying to prove my Rey theory beats other peoples' Rey theories. It's too soon to know, just that I wanted to share that one cool detail I noticed from the film production with @IoJovi.
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Post by snufkin on Sun 08 Jan 2017, 9:37 pm

@spacebaby45678 - tangentially SW related, but I saw Dolly Parton a couple months back & she told the story about how Colonel Tom Parker tried to get her to sign the rights over to "I Will Always Love You" as a condition for Elvis doing a cover. She very shrewdly (and no doubt sweetly) turned them down and later made "a whole bunch of money" from Whitney Houston's cover version for The Bodyguard, written by none other than Lawrence Kasdan.
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@snufkin wrote:@spacebaby45678 - tangentially SW related, but I saw Dolly Parton a couple months back & she told the story about how Colonel Tom Parker tried to get her to sign the rights over to "I Will Always Love You" as a condition for Elvis doing a cover. She very shrewdly (and no doubt sweetly) turned them down and later made "a whole bunch of money" from Whitney Houston's cover version for The Bodyguard, written by none other than Lawrence Kasdan.
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