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Post by vaderito on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 5:48 pm

@BastilaBey wrote:@saracene Exactly, and Draco is an annoying little twerp but he hardly fills that role. There isn't a comparable dynamic in Harry Potter because Voldemort and Harry have the father and son dynamic.

The thing that I wish people would pay more attention to is what's being set up as the overall theme of the trilogy and how Rey and Kylo fit into that. There's a certain amount of speculation, sure, we only have the first piece. But the first lines of dialogue are about the force being out of balance. Then we meet a conflicted darksider, who's feeling the pull to the light against his will. Then we meet a heroine who seems to be light, but then is tempted by the darkness as she defeats him. They get into each other's heads, see each other's fears. Both are lonely, afraid to leave, can't quite bring themselves to acknowledge their pasts. 

What do fans really think is going to happen here, in the event that the two characters aren't related? It's not about cheesy romance, it's about a connection between two force sensitive characters who may have every reason to hate each other and yet seem like they could be kindred spirits. Maybe it just again comes back to people not wanting to be labeled as shippers but I really thought more would have wanted to explore the idea by this point. The movie's been out a long time.
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Exactly. They are not related and they'll go through trials and tribulations together so that they could finally bring the balance to the Force. Do fans really expect that they will part their ways,like, that Rey'll hook up with Finn, who'll dump KMT,  in the last 5 minutes of the movie, and that Kylo'll find a baby mama, to continue the SkySolo lineage, off screen? Or that they'll be unattached Jedi who don't need each other or another person in their life? Any of these endings doesn't ring true but like a change that is made to appease certain groups. Who wouldn't end up satisfied either because such ending is entirely unsatisfying.
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Post by Sylvia Snow on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 5:58 pm

I wonder if Kylo and Snoke can be consider as "Bendu" a Force Sensitive who stay in the Balance in both sides of the Force, according to the explanation by the character Bendu from Rebels. I heard the they brought some EU elements back like the concepts of Ashla and Bogan. Also is it just me or Disney starting to introduce more shades of Grey to Star Wars, not simply Sith or Jedi anymore, as if they want people to get use with the concept that is until episode VIII and IX people won't be catch off guard on like  "Oh, but isn't he was a Sith?" or Why she didn't become a Jedi like Luke?"
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Post by Xylo Ren on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 6:52 pm

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LOOK AT THESE ADORABLE KIDS AND THEIR REYLO BARBIE DOLLS
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 8:22 pm

@Xylo Ren wrote:ARCHIVE: Rey and Kylo - Beauty and the Beast, Scavenger and the Monstah, Their Bond, His Love, Her Confused Feelings - 11 - Page 2 Tumblr_oecadkIx201v5osjso1_540
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Did someone Photoshop that or is that real? Because that is really reminding of 1980s toy ads ... I'm just waiting for the " by Kenner" add on, lol. A few of you will know what I am talking about. Very Happy
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Post by IoJovi on Fri 30 Sep 2016, 8:42 pm

@SoloSideCousin I don't recall that add, and I get the feeling we're close in age. Can you give me some hints? Laughing
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Post by Rimfaxe96 on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 6:20 am

Some more eye candy:

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(I will never stop loving her artwork honestly, by Subaru: http://01091006.tumblr.com )
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Post by vaderito on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 6:27 am

I must order Reylo Barbie and Ken! They look like Disney Prince and Princess! 

Loving the art. Should also be posted in Reylo art.
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Post by Xylo Ren on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 8:42 am

@vaderito wrote:I must order Reylo Barbie and Ken! They look like Disney Prince and Princess! 

Loving the art. Should also be posted in Reylo art.
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I've bought so much of these two already, but that's what I do. I've always collected Star Wars even when I was young.

These are $45, so maybe adding them to my Christmas list or asking for a Target giftcard will work!
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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 8:59 am

@Xylo Ren wrote:
@vaderito wrote:I must order Reylo Barbie and Ken! They look like Disney Prince and Princess! 

Loving the art. Should also be posted in Reylo art.
@vaderito

I've bought so much of these two already, but that's what I do. I've always collected Star Wars even when I was young.

These are $45, so maybe adding them to my Christmas list or asking for a Target giftcard will work!
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Wow...when I compare myself to you guys, I feel as if I'm not a real SW fan.. I don't have a single toy
Maybe I'll buy little BB8 one day Smile

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Post by Xylo Ren on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:04 am

bela.mesecina wrote:
@Xylo Ren wrote:
@vaderito wrote:I must order Reylo Barbie and Ken! They look like Disney Prince and Princess! 

Loving the art. Should also be posted in Reylo art.
@vaderito

I've bought so much of these two already, but that's what I do. I've always collected Star Wars even when I was young.

These are $45, so maybe adding them to my Christmas list or asking for a Target giftcard will work!
@Xylo Ren

Wow...when I compare myself to you guys, I feel as if I'm not a real SW fan.. I don't have a single toy
Maybe I'll buy little BB8 one day Smile
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I blame my mom, she was a total enabler when I was younger and just bought us anything we wanted like Pokemon, Disney, Scooby Doo, Beanie Babies, Star Wars...

My sisters and I started collecting action figures after Episode II but always had other stuff before that. I'm keeping my collection for when I have children of my own. Up to like 65 action figures and way too much other merch Laughing
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Post by BastilaBey on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:07 am

I was at Target yesterday and considered buying those but they are just too big, lol. I like that they have figures large enough for kids to play with though, re-enacting the duel would be so cute. I got the black series Rey to match the unmasked Kylo from Celebration.

What is most interesting is the blurb on the box:

In the snowy forests of the First Order stronghold and super weapon, Starkiller Base, Kylo Ren and Rey engage in a lightsaber duel in which Kylo promises to help train Rey in the ways of the Force. Rey refuses and finds a way to connect to the Force using it to continue the fight and put Kylo Ren on the defensive. The fight ends with the planet crumbling beneath their feet due to the Resistance’s successful attack on the Base, leaving both to their respective quests for answers.

Kylo 'promises' and and is 'on the defensive'. It doesn't make him sound too much like a villain.
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Post by Guest on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:13 am

bela.mesecina wrote:Wow...when I compare myself to you guys, I feel as if I'm not a real SW fan.. I don't have a single toy
Maybe I'll buy little BB8 one day Smile
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I don't have any toys either - I like seeing the way they choose to market SW merchandise though! I've yet to see Kylo and Rey being promoted as outright enemies who hate each other. I find that interesting.

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Post by Irina de France on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:24 am

WhatGirl wrote:
bela.mesecina wrote:Wow...when I compare myself to you guys, I feel as if I'm not a real SW fan.. I don't have a single toy
Maybe I'll buy little BB8 one day Smile
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I don't have any toys either - I like seeing the way they choose to market SW merchandise though! I've yet to see Kylo and Rey being promoted as outright enemies who hate each other. I find that interesting.
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I just have the Pop figurines of Rey, Finn and unmasked!Kylo. Let me tell you: unmasked!Kylo's hair is ridiculously well-done to the point it's actually hilarious XD I put the picture under spoilers since it's a bit big:

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Post by vaderito on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:42 am

Kylo hair gets most attention of all SW hair. he's definitely a Disney Prince(ss).
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Post by EchoBase on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:49 am

@Starchaser: excellent post!
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Post by Irina de France on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 9:57 am

@Starchaser Agreed, this is brilliant! cheers
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Post by vaderito on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 10:12 am

@Starchaser This is such a brilliant new POV. I honestly thought we discussed all angles but this one, that Rey and Kylo parallel Kylo and Han, is just fantastic. I think that we all were thinking that Rey saw herself becoming a monster like Kylo, and gaining deeper understanding that slip into the Dark Side could happen to her and easier than she thought, but we never articulated it this well and we didn't think of parallels with Kylo and Han that put Rey in Kylo's position and Kylo in Han's. Fantastic meta! cheers cheers cheers cheers
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Post by Xylo Ren on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 10:49 am

@StarChaser

"If my theory is correct, Rey will never even think about killing Ren unless she absolutely has to, if he forces her into a corner and threatens her life."

This theory is confirmed by Making Star Wars spoilers, if we are to believe the reports from Jason's podcast saying Luke tells Rey to kill Kylo and she doesn't want to do it. I believe the rest of your perspectives are spot on as well. I hadn't thought of the parallels to Han, but you've caught them all!

I also like how you said Rey will reach out first. Many of us believe Luke will reject her, why would he be hiding out on an island if he wanted to help the Resistance in any way? He'd be there with Leia in that case. We're not even sure Rey wants more of the Force. This is also backed up by the deleted scene where Rey is supposedly thinking about Finn as they patch him up, but something off in her faraway expression makes many believe that she was replaying her fight with Kylo in the snow.
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Post by BastilaBey on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 10:58 am

Reading The Power of Myth at the moment, and wanted to share a passage – apologies, it’s a little long so I’ll put it under a spoiler – about the Holy Grail because we’ve talked about the courtly knight elements in TFA before and how that can be considered romantic in its own way. Makes me wonder if that medieval notion of spirit and nature is being combined with Jungian theory in the trilogy, as a way to achieve the balance between good and evil.

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CAMPBELL: The tests that were given then involved, for example, sending a chap out to guard a bridge. The traffic in the Middle Ages was somewhat encumbered by these youths guarding bridges. But also the tests included going into battle. A woman who was too ruthless in asking her lover to risk real death before she would acquiesce in anything was considered sauvage or "savage." Also, the woman who gave herself without the testing was "savage." There was a very nice psychological estimation game going on here.

MOYERS: The troubadours weren't aiming, were they, to dissolve marriages or the world, nor was their aim carnal intercourse, lust, or even the quenching of the soul of God. You write, "Rather, they celebrated life directly in the experience of love as a refining, sublimating force, opening the heart to the sad bittersweet melody of being through love, one's own anguish and one's own joy." They weren't trying to destroy things, were they?

CAMPBELL: No, you see, that motive of power was not what was in them. It was the motive of personal experience and sublimation. It's quite different. There was no direct attack on the Church. The idea was to sublimate life into a spiritual plane of experiences.

MOYERS: Love is right in front of me. Amor is the path directly before me, the eyes --

CAMPBELL: -- the meeting of the eyes, that idea. "So through the eyes love attains the heart: / For the eyes are the scouts of the heart."

MOYERS: What was it that the troubadours learned about the psyche? We've heard about the psyche -- Eros loved Psyche -- and we're told in our day that you must understand your psyche. What did the troubadours discover about the human psyche?

CAMPBELL: What they discovered was a certain individual aspect of it that cannot be talked about in purely general terms. The individual experience, the individual commitment to experience, the individual believing in his experience and living it -- that is the main point here.

MOYERS: So love is not love in general, it is love for that woman?

CAMPBELL: For that one woman. That's right.

MOYERS: Why do you think we fall in love with one person and not another?

CAMPBELL: Well, I wouldn't be one to say. It's a very mysterious thing, that electric thing that happens, and then the agony that can follow. The troubadours celebrate the agony of the love, the sickness the doctors cannot cure, the wounds that can be healed only by the weapon that delivered the wound.

MOYERS: Meaning?

CAMPBELL: The wound is the wound of my passion and the agony of my love for this creature. The only one who can heal me is the one who delivered the blow. That's a motif that appears in symbolic form in many medieval stories of the lance that delivers a wound. It is only when that lance can touch the wound again that the wound can be healed.

MOYERS: Wasn't there something of this idea in the legend of the Holy Grail?

CAMPBELL: In the monastic version of the story, the Grail is associated with Christ's passion. The Grail is the chalice of the Last Supper and the chalice that received Christ's blood when he was taken from the cross.

MOYERS: What does the Grail represent then?

CAMPBELL: There's a very interesting statement about the origin of the Grail. One early writer says that the Grail was brought from heaven by the neutral angels. You see, during the war in heaven between God and Satan, between good and evil, some angelic hosts sided with Satan and some with God. The Grail was brought down through the middle by the neutral angels. It represents that spiritual path that is between pairs of opposites, between fear and desire, between good and evil.

The theme of the Grail romance is that the land, the country, the whole territory of concern has been laid waste. It is called a wasteland. And what is the nature of the wasteland? It is a land where everybody is living an inauthentic life, doing as other people do, doing as you're told, with no courage for your own life. That is the wasteland. And that is what T. S. Eliot meant in his poem The Waste Land.
In a wasteland the surface does not represent the actuality of what it is supposed to be representing, and people are living inauthentic lives. "I've never done a thing I wanted to in all my life. I've done as I was told." You know?

MOYERS: And the Grail becomes?

CAMPBELL: The Grail becomes the -- what can we call it? -- that which is attained and realized by people who have lived their own lives. The Grail represents the fulfillment of the highest spiritual potentialities of the human consciousness.
The Grail King, for example, was a lovely young man, but he had not earned the position of Grail King. He rode forth from his castle with the war cry "Amor!" Well, that's proper for youth, but it doesn't belong to the guardianship of the Grail. And as he's riding forth, a Muslim, a pagan knight, comes out of the woods. They both level their lances at each other, and they drive at each other. The lance of the Grail King kills the pagan, but the pagan's lance castrates the Grail King.

What that means is that the Christian separation of matter and spirit, of the dynamism of life and the realm of the spirit, of natural grace and supernatural grace, has really castrated nature. And the European mind, the European life, has been, as it were, emasculated by this separation. The true spirituality, which would have come from the union of matter and spirit, has been killed. And then what did the pagan represent? He was a person from the suburbs of Eden. He was regarded as a nature man, and on the head of his lance was written the word "Grail." That is to say, nature intends the Grail. Spiritual life is the bouquet, the perfume, the flowering and fulfillment of a human life, not a supernatural virtue imposed upon it.

And so the impulses of nature are what give authenticity to life, not the rules coming from a supernatural authority -- that's the sense of the Grail.

MOYERS: Is this what Thomas Mann meant when he talked about mankind being the noblest work because it joins nature and spirit?
CAMPBELL: Yes.

MOYERS: Nature and spirit are yearning for each other to meet in this experience. And the Grail that these romantic legends were searching for is the union once again of what has been divided, the peace that comes from joining.

CAMPBELL: The Grail becomes symbolic of an authentic life that is lived in terms of its own volition, in terms of its own impulse system, that carries itself between the pairs of opposites of good and evil, light and dark. One writer of the Grail legend starts his long epic with a short poem saying, "Every act has both good and evil results." Every act in life yields pairs of opposites in its results. The best we can do is lean toward the light, toward the harmonious relationships that come from compassion with suffering, from understanding the other person. This is what the Grail is about. And this is what comes out in the romance.

In the Grail legend young Perceval has been brought up in the country by a mother who refused the courts and wanted her son to know nothing about the court rules. Perceval's life is lived in terms of the dynamic of his own impulse system until he becomes more mature. Then he is offered a lovely young girl in marriage by her father, who has trained him to be a knight. And Perceval says, "No, I must earn a wife, not be given a wife." And that's the beginning of Europe.

MOYERS: The beginning of Europe?

CAMPBELL: Yes -- the individual Europe, the Grail Europe.
Now, when Perceval comes to the Grail castle, he meets the Grail King, who is brought in on a litter, wounded, kept alive simply by the presence of the Grail. Perceval's compassion moves him to ask, "What ails you, Uncle?" But he doesn't ask the question because he has been taught by his instructor that a knight doesn't ask unnecessary questions. So he obeys the rule, and the adventure fails.
And then it takes him five years of ordeals and embarrassments and all kinds of things to get back to that castle and ask the question that heals the king and heals society. The question is an expression, not of the rules of the society, but of compassion, the natural opening of the human heart to another human being. That's the Grail.

MOYERS: And it is a kind of love that --

CAMPBELL: Well, it is spontaneous compassion, a suffering with.

MOYERS: What was it Jung said -- that the soul cannot exist in peace until it finds its other, and the other is always a you? Is that what the romantic --

CAMPBELL: Yes, exactly, romance. That's romance. That's what myth is all about.

MOYERS: Not a sentimental kind of romance?

CAMPBELL: No, sentiment is an echo of violence. It's not really a vital expression.

MOYERS: What do you think all of this says about romantic love? About our individual selves?

CAMPBELL: It says that we're in two worlds. We're in our own world, and we're in the world that has been given us outside, and the problem is to achieve a harmonious relationship between the two. I come into this society, so I've got to live in terms of this society. It's ridiculous not to live in terms of this society because, unless I do, I'm not living. But I mustn't allow this society to dictate to me how I should live. One has to build up one's own system that may violate the expectations of the society, and sometimes society doesn't accept that. But the task of life is to live within the field provided by the society that is really supporting you.

A point comes up -- for instance, a war, where the young men have to register for the draft. This involves an enormous decision. How far are you going to go in acceding to what the society is asking of you -- to kill other people whom you don't know? For what? For whom? All that kind of thing.

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Joseph Campbell wrote:The wound is the wound of my passion and the agony of my love for this creature. The only one who can heal me is the one who delivered the blow. That's a motif that appears in symbolic form in many medieval stories of the lance that delivers a wound. It is only when that lance can touch the wound again that the wound can be healed.

One early writer says that the Grail was brought from heaven by the neutral angels. You see, during the war in heaven between God and Satan, between good and evil, some angelic hosts sided with Satan and some with God. The Grail was brought down through the middle by the neutral angels. It represents that spiritual path that is between pairs of opposites, between fear and desire, between good and evil.

The Grail becomes symbolic of an authentic life that is lived in terms of its own volition, in terms of its own impulse system, that carries itself between the pairs of opposites of good and evil, light and dark. One writer of the Grail legend starts his long epic with a short poem saying, "Every act has both good and evil results." Every act in life yields pairs of opposites in its results. The best we can do is lean toward the light, toward the harmonious relationships that come from compassion with suffering, from understanding the other person. This is what the Grail is about. And this is what comes out in the romance.
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Post by vaderito on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 11:08 am

@Xylo Ren wrote:@StarChaser

"If my theory is correct, Rey will never even think about killing Ren unless she absolutely has to, if he forces her into a corner and threatens her life."

This theory is confirmed by Making Star Wars spoilers, if we are to believe the reports from Jason's podcast saying Luke tells Rey to kill Kylo and she doesn't want to do it. I believe the rest of your perspectives are spot on as well. I hadn't thought of the parallels to Han, but you've caught them all!

I also like how you said Rey will reach out first. Many of us believe Luke will reject her, why would he be hiding out on an island if he wanted to help the Resistance in any way? He'd be there with Leia in that case. We're not even sure Rey wants more of the Force. This is also backed up by the deleted scene where Rey is supposedly thinking about Finn as they patch him up, but something off in her faraway expression makes many believe that she was replaying her fight with Kylo in the snow.
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I think that what Luke is trying to do is much bigger than just helping the Resistance. think about it as Luke doing Frodo work, while helping the Resistance would be freeing a village from Orcs but you know that without destroying the One Ring you are just buying time until next wave of invasion and that'll go on and on with no end in sight. So, IMO, it isn't that he gave up but that he isn't useful at the Resistance base, at least not before finding whatever he's looking for. It's like, I need to fix the Force before I fix everything else otherwise nothing will be fixed.

As for his urging Rey to kill Kylo, I'd wait to see the actual scene and what he actually says. because something could be lost in translation. Jedi and FS types like to speak in what I call AmbiguoLingo so one should proceed with caution before drawing on conlcusions. For exmaple, this is an actual exchange in ROTJ:

Luke: There is still good in him.
Obi-Wan: He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.
Luke: I can't do it, Ben.
Obi-Wan: You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again.
Luke: I can't kill my own father.
Obi-Wan: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.

OB1's never said "You must kill Vader" he said "you must face Vader". Luke thought that face = kill but that's Luke. Sure, the next sentence does sound like OB1 thinks that without killing Vader all hope is gone. But he never explicitly says "kill him". And, again, he may have been speaking from certain point of view. Kill Vader so Anakin could live. So based on that, I suggest we wait and see how Luke words it.

Of course, we can speculate and lets say Luke indeed tells Rey to kill Kylo. It could mean anything from certain POV (kill Kylo, free Ben) to kill = kill, to

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you know, testing her faith.

@BastilaBey Those parts about only the one inflicting the wound can heal the wound are fantastic and very Reylo. And so is this passage:

MOYERS: Love is right in front of me. Amor is the path directly before me, the eyes --

CAMPBELL: -- the meeting of the eyes, that idea. "So through the eyes love attains the heart: / For the eyes are the scouts of the heart."

Rey and Kylo always look into each other's eyes longer than it's necessary.

And this part about the grail is very much like the balance of the Force. Very much:

What that means is that the Christian separation of matter and spirit, of the dynamism of life and the realm of the spirit, of natural grace and supernatural grace, has really castrated nature. And the European mind, the European life, has been, as it were, emasculated by this separation. The true spirituality, which would have come from the union of matter and spirit, has been killed. And then what did the pagan represent? He was a person from the suburbs of Eden. He was regarded as a nature man, and on the head of his lance was written the word "Grail." That is to say, nature intends the Grail. Spiritual life is the bouquet, the perfume, the flowering and fulfillment of a human life, not a supernatural virtue imposed upon it.

And so the impulses of nature are what give authenticity to life, not the rules coming from a supernatural authority -- that's the sense of the Grail.

MOYERS: Is this what Thomas Mann meant when he talked about mankind being the noblest work because it joins nature and spirit?
CAMPBELL: Yes.

MOYERS: Nature and spirit are yearning for each other to meet in this experience. And the Grail that these romantic legends were searching for is the union once again of what has been divided, the peace that comes from joining.

CAMPBELL: The Grail becomes symbolic of an authentic life that is lived in terms of its own volition, in terms of its own impulse system, that carries itself between the pairs of opposites of good and evil, light and dark. One writer of the Grail legend starts his long epic with a short poem saying, "Every act has both good and evil results." Every act in life yields pairs of opposites in its results. The best we can do is lean toward the light, toward the harmonious relationships that come from compassion with suffering, from understanding the other person. This is what the Grail is about. And this is what comes out in the romance
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Post by BastilaBey on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 11:40 am

@vaderito Yep, it all fits with the theme of balance in the ST.

And

MOYERS: What was it Jung said -- that the soul cannot exist in peace until it finds its other, and the other is always a you? Is that what the romantic --

CAMPBELL: Yes, exactly, romance. That's romance. That's what myth is all about.

I mean, come on now. Meeting 'the other', the opposite, Rey meeting the animus.

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Post by vaderito on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 11:45 am

@BastilaBey wrote:@vaderito Yep, it all fits with the theme of balance in the ST.

And

MOYERS: What was it Jung said -- that the soul cannot exist in peace until it finds its other, and the other is always a you? Is that what the romantic --

CAMPBELL: Yes, exactly, romance. That's romance. That's what myth is all about.

I mean, come on now. Meeting 'the other', the opposite, Rey meeting the animus.

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hell yeah! Heroine journey!

Hero or heroine journey will always contain romance. In modern times, some may scoff at romance, but they are huge minority, definitely not big enough to impose a No Romance Rule in Hero(ine) Journey. It's a part of the journey and it'll remain a more prominent part of heroine journey.
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Post by Lily Snape on Sat 01 Oct 2016, 12:05 pm

@StarChaser -- this is terrific.  I thought that she understood Kylo better after standing over him, feral and almost snarling, with the voice in her head, feeling like she wanted to kill him even though he was by then defenseless.  I mean, Rey did take out some anonymous storm troopers, but this is Han's son.  She knows how badly his father wanted him redeemed.  And she already knows him better than she ever wanted to-- including, I'm sure, his turmoil and conflict and doubt.  No wonder the rumor is that she won't want to kill him in VIII-- she made that choice at the end of VII.  I love the idea of her going after him, trying to find the Light.  I always assumed she'd be the one to initiate anything romantic, partly because we don't need a repeat of his parents in which Han was the pursuer, and partly to show (after all the stuff he did that she fled and resisted) that she really is interested in him, not the stereotypical "Baby It's Cold Outside" kind of thing.

@snufkin -- Darth Boyfriend for the win!!! Smile And thanks for posting that discussion. Now I need to check out the rest of the site.


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