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Post by Darth Dingbat on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 1:29 pm

Not really any kind of spoilers, but hey, it's slow on the spoiler front and I was looking for people who may have had minor roles or been extras in Episode VIII...

I found a teenaged boy who plays a service droid in VIII, I would guess in the casino; and I think that casino is shaping up to be a really glamorous place (as if we didn't know that already) as VIII also employed actual models as extras. Here are a couple who listed Episode VIII on their CVs:

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James Bond vibes intensify Razz

Then again, the blonde may also have been one of the "Nordic" extras Lucasfilm was looking for. But I'd bet on a fancy dress and an elaborate hairdo, in the casino scene.
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 1:34 pm

Definitely James Bond vibe all around!
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 9:52 pm

I'll preface this by saying, yes, it's Mike Zeroh, but it does sound plausible. We'll see, I guess. Basically, he's saying that four different sources have given him a line of dialogue from Luke that will be used in the first teaser.

To me, the most interesting tidbit out of all of this is that supposedly, the first teaser trailer will be released in Q1 2017 (that would obviously be before Celebration).

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/star-wars-episode-8-leaked-dialogue-luke-skywalker-trailer-be-released-2017-1534914

In a new video posted on YouTube, Mike Zeroh has revealed that one of the dialogues of Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) in the upcoming movie is “you contain the spark that will rekindle the fire.” Mike has four different sources for this piece of information, two of who he trusts and the others he is still evaluating. Despite the multiple confirmations, he wants the fans to take this spoiler with a grain of salt.

The dialogue is apparently something Luke tells Rey (Daisy Ridley) on Ahch-To. The young character is just beginning to embrace her powers, and the next movie is expected to focus on her training to become a Jedi.

The bit about the teaser:

The fans will get to hear Luke Skywalker speak for the first time after a long time in the trailer of “Star Wars: Episode 8.” The leaked dialogue is said to be a part of the teaser, which will reportedly be released in the first quarter of 2017.

ETA: We're all so desperate for spoilers that I figured even a Mike Zeroh "spoiler" would be worth posting here.
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Post by IoJovi on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:02 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I'll preface this by saying, yes, it's Mike Zeroh, but it does sound plausible. We'll see, I guess. Basically, he's saying that four different sources have given him a line of dialogue from Luke that will be used in the first teaser.

To me, the most interesting tidbit out of all of this is that supposedly, the first teaser trailer will be released in Q1 2017 (that would obviously be before Celebration).

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/star-wars-episode-8-leaked-dialogue-luke-skywalker-trailer-be-released-2017-1534914

In a new video posted on YouTube, Mike Zeroh has revealed that one of the dialogues of Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) in the upcoming movie is “you contain the spark that will rekindle the fire.” Mike has four different sources for this piece of information, two of who he trusts and the others he is still evaluating. Despite the multiple confirmations, he wants the fans to take this spoiler with a grain of salt.

The dialogue is apparently something Luke tells Rey (Daisy Ridley) on Ahch-To. The young character is just beginning to embrace her powers, and the next movie is expected to focus on her training to become a Jedi.

The bit about the teaser:

The fans will get to hear Luke Skywalker speak for the first time after a long time in the trailer of “Star Wars: Episode 8.” The leaked dialogue is said to be a part of the teaser, which will reportedly be released in the first quarter of 2017.

ETA: We're all so desperate for spoilers that I figured even a Mike Zeroh "spoiler" would be worth posting here.
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Well Q1 isn't that far away, so it'll be easier to remember if this one ends up being right!

That said, knowing what know, I doubt Rey's training on Ach-To is going to end up being all that there is in her scenes with Luke, especially since we think Kylo and the KoR (sounds like a boy band, lol) end up landing fairly early (around the end of the first act.)

Still, it is nice to finally have something to reading during the parchment of this spoiler drought!

I've been looking through both Pablo's and Matt Martin's Twitter feed, and it's filled with nothing but Rogue One discussion.... *sigh*


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Post by LondonGal555 on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:02 pm

Didn't Daisy when asked if she was a Jedi she said she didn't think she was

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Post by Guest on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:15 pm

@LondonGal555 wrote:Didn't Daisy when asked if she was a Jedi she said she didn't think she was
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Well, even if Rey does end up becoming a Jedi it won't happen overnight. Pablo said in a recent tweet that, to his mind, Luke didn't become a Jedi until he threw down his lightsaber and refused to kill his father in Return of the Jedi. By that time, more than three years had passed from the start of his training with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Ep VIII is picking up exactly where TFA left off so Rey will be no more a Jedi to begin with than she was after fighting Kylo. What training she gets before Kylo and the KoR turn up on Ahch-To remains to be seen, but she's not going to fit years of Jedi training into hours/days/weeks or even months.

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Post by LondonGal555 on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:27 pm

I can see her being one at the end of 9.
Any rumors on how Luke will act like on the island? Some say he's a little crazy etc

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Post by ZioRen on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:35 pm

Is it weird that I'm starting to hate Rogue One? Laughing I wasn't interested in it to begin with, honestly, but now it's morphed into dislike because we're getting no info about VIII while it's in the spotlight. It's so petty, I know.
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Post by LondonGal555 on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 10:45 pm

Lol but we are all feeling the same way. Go away rogue one!!!! I'm Dying for info on my babies in episode 8

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Post by snufkin on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 11:21 pm

Yeah could care less about R1, especially because every time I see the villain, my first thought is that he seems like a bargain basement version of Guy Pearce. In the meanwhile, this turned up recently from the fake news front, a Reddit theory which actually doesn't suck

The royalties played always large part in the Star Wars universe. In the prequel era there were thousands of star systems with monarchic government. Before the Galactic Empire, many planets (for example Naboo, Mandalor, Lasan) were ruled by royal families. Supreme Chancelor Palpatin declared the First Galactic Empire and named himself Emperor. The galaxy was grouped into oversectors, controlled by the Grand Moffs. Monarchs lost their influence on galactic politics, and over their own people. In Star Wars Rebels we learn from Zeb (former captain of the Lasan High Honor Guard) that the Empire wiped out the royal family of Lasan, along with most of its population. Queen Apailana of Naboo was also assassinated by the 501st Legion. House Organa the Royal House of Alderaan at that time almost died out when the imperial super-weapon, the Death Star destroyed the entire planet. Although lots of goverments suffered from the Empire’s reign, not all the families became extinct. In the Force Awakens royal families were mentioned several times. Lor San Tekka says about Leia „Oh, the General? To me, she is royality.” When we first meet Han in the movie, he is transporting three rathars to King Prana. At this point we know for sure that some of the monarchs survived the Imperial regime. This is where my theory comes in. I think Rey is from a royal family, from a planet unknown to the audience. The First Order invaded Rey’s homeworld, and wiped them out. Maybe a group of loyal guards escaped with the young Rey, and left her on Jakku for her own safety.
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Post by panki on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 11:34 pm

@snufkin wrote:Yeah could care less about R1, especially because every time I see the villain, my first thought is that he seems like a bargain basement version of Guy Pearce. In the meanwhile, this turned up recently from the fake news front, a Reddit theory which actually doesn't suck

The royalties played always large part in the Star Wars universe. In the prequel era there were thousands of star systems with monarchic government. Before the Galactic Empire, many planets (for example Naboo, Mandalor, Lasan) were ruled by royal families. Supreme Chancelor Palpatin declared the First Galactic Empire and named himself Emperor. The galaxy was grouped into oversectors, controlled by the Grand Moffs. Monarchs lost their influence on galactic politics, and over their own people. In Star Wars Rebels we learn from Zeb (former captain of the Lasan High Honor Guard) that the Empire wiped out the royal family of Lasan, along with most of its population. Queen Apailana of Naboo was also assassinated by the 501st Legion. House Organa the Royal House of Alderaan at that time almost died out when the imperial super-weapon, the Death Star destroyed the entire planet. Although lots of goverments suffered from the Empire’s reign, not all the families became extinct. In the Force Awakens royal families were mentioned several times. Lor San Tekka says about Leia „Oh, the General? To me, she is royality.” When we first meet Han in the movie, he is transporting three rathars to King Prana. At this point we know for sure that some of the monarchs survived the Imperial regime. This is where my theory comes in. I think Rey is from a royal family, from a planet unknown to the audience. The First Order invaded Rey’s homeworld, and wiped them out. Maybe a group of loyal guards escaped with the young Rey, and left her on Jakku for her own safety.
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This sounds like the legends story of Dooku's great nephew who was rescued by the Organas after his family was wiped out (from royalty to force powers to hair colour to accent- it all adds up).....but I find it hard to believe guards would leave a little girl on Jakku of all planets for safety....maybe they left her there to die so they wouldn't have to kill her and have blood on their hands.

If the House of Serenno was wiped out in a massacre, Kylo would know about it and the story of a missing little girl as well since his mother is also from the Elder Houses. It also explains Kylo's line in the novel about how he should kil her but there is another way...considering he is trying to emulate his grandfather, this is what happened the last time a Skywalker defeated someone from the House of Serenno.....

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Post by snufkin on Sun 27 Nov 2016, 11:58 pm

@panki wrote:
@snufkin

This sounds like the legends story of Dooku's great nephew who was rescued by the Organas after his family was wiped out (from royalty to force powers to hair colour to accent- it all adds up).....but I find it hard to believe guards would leave a little girl on Jakku of all planets for safety....maybe they left her there to die so they wouldn't have to kill her and have blood on their hands.

If the House of Serenno was wiped out in a massacre, Kylo would know about it and the story of a missing little girl as well since his mother is also from the Elder Houses.

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See, there's a precedent! I've always thought from the beginning that she ended up on Jakku because her parents got mixed up with the FO and it ended up killing them. And that as a result, she was abandoned on Jakku. That they found themselves in a situation which was dangerous, so they had no choice but to leave her there, expecting that they could reconnoiter back and pick her up later. But instead they were killed and she was trapped there, too young to know how to get herself out of that situation. Which the previous story you mentioned would work perfectly. Especially if they did come from a group which would be targeted and taken out by the FO. That's always made far more sense to me that all of the "she's Luke's daughter, was a student as his academy, Ben didn't kill her at the massacre, and dumped her on Jakku" scenarios which constantly get circulated. It at least sounds more interesting versus "ZOMG, crazy twist!"
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 12:07 am

@snufkin wrote:
@panki wrote:
@snufkin

This sounds like the legends story of Dooku's great nephew who was rescued by the Organas after his family was wiped out (from royalty to force powers to hair colour to accent- it all adds up).....but I find it hard to believe guards would leave a little girl on Jakku of all planets for safety....maybe they left her there to die so they wouldn't have to kill her and have blood on their hands.

If the House of Serenno was wiped out in a massacre, Kylo would know about it and the story of a missing little girl as well since his mother is also from the Elder Houses.

@panki

See, there's a precedent! I've always thought from the beginning that she ended up on Jakku because her parents got mixed up with the FO and it ended up killing them. And that as a result, she was abandoned on Jakku. That they found themselves in a situation which was dangerous, so they had no choice but to leave her there, expecting that they could reconnoiter back and pick her up later. But instead they were killed and she was trapped there, too young to know how to get herself out of that situation. Which the previous story you mentioned would work perfectly. Especially if they did come from a group which would be targeted and taken out by the FO. That's always made far more sense to me that all of the "she's Luke's daughter, was a student as his academy, Ben didn't kill her at the massacre, and dumped her on Jakku" scenarios which constantly get circulated. It at least sounds more interesting versus "ZOMG, crazy twist!"
@snufkin

I agree. Unless there's something that I'm not thinking of, something similar to that theory would certainly fit with everything that we know so far.
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Post by snufkin on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 12:21 am

@ISeeAnIsland -

Maybe it's because I'd already seen all of Rian Johnson's films (and being an admirer of Kasdan's writing) before seeing TFA that it never struck me as plausible. Because JJ's not writing the meat of the story. Johnson's writing is smart, but he's not into Mystery Boxes or creating puzzles for the sake of giving something for the viewer to try to outwit. So something really simple to the degree that it explains what happened to her and her family and sets her up to really be at danger/in opposition to the actual big bad in the story. And conversely, also because she's set up to be in an "interesting" relationship with Ben, gives him an incentive beyond just trying to fulfill his mysterious personal interests mission before getting crushed. He very much sees her as an out, hence the desperation and chasing after her.


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Post by Maria Antonietta on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 12:49 am

Mike zeroh is bs, I'm a non believer, sorry. I can see Rey as royalty, though
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 12:59 am

@Maria Antonietta wrote:Mike zeroh is bs, I'm a non believer, sorry. I can see Rey as royalty, though
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I am mostly a non-believer, but he seems to have people who have sent him things from the Ireland shoots that they've backed up with photos, so I'm trying to have a slightly open mind that he might have finally obtained a decent source or two.

This one is clearly (if legit) from someone who worked on the teaser trailer and gave him a line of dialogue. Of course, it's highly likely that none of it checks out, but hey, it's something new in this thread...
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 1:17 am

There is a proverbe in my country (I'll do my best with the translation):

"Even a blind chicken, is sometimes capable to find a grain"

The proverbe I immediately attached to Mike Zeroh being a blind chicken far too many times so far - but well who knows, maybe he found his grain this time.


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Post by motherofpearl1 on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 1:43 am

@IoJovi wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I'll preface this by saying, yes, it's Mike Zeroh, but it does sound plausible. We'll see, I guess. Basically, he's saying that four different sources have given him a line of dialogue from Luke that will be used in the first teaser.

To me, the most interesting tidbit out of all of this is that supposedly, the first teaser trailer will be released in Q1 2017 (that would obviously be before Celebration).

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/star-wars-episode-8-leaked-dialogue-luke-skywalker-trailer-be-released-2017-1534914

In a new video posted on YouTube, Mike Zeroh has revealed that one of the dialogues of Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) in the upcoming movie is “you contain the spark that will rekindle the fire.” Mike has four different sources for this piece of information, two of who he trusts and the others he is still evaluating. Despite the multiple confirmations, he wants the fans to take this spoiler with a grain of salt.

The dialogue is apparently something Luke tells Rey (Daisy Ridley) on Ahch-To. The young character is just beginning to embrace her powers, and the next movie is expected to focus on her training to become a Jedi.

The bit about the teaser:

The fans will get to hear Luke Skywalker speak for the first time after a long time in the trailer of “Star Wars: Episode 8.” The leaked dialogue is said to be a part of the teaser, which will reportedly be released in the first quarter of 2017.

ETA: We're all so desperate for spoilers that I figured even a Mike Zeroh "spoiler" would be worth posting here.
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Well Q1 isn't that far away, so it'll be easier to remember if this one ends up being right!

That said, knowing what know, I doubt Rey's training on Ach-To is going to end up being all that there is in her scenes with Luke, especially since we think Kylo and the KoR (sounds like a boy band, lol) end up landing fairly early (around the end of the first act.)

Still, it is nice to finally have something to reading during the parchment of this spoiler drought!

I've been looking through both Pablo's and Matt Martin's Twitter feed, and it's filled with nothing but Rogue One discussion.... *sigh*
@IoJovi

I really think they should show a teaser with Rogue One; let's face it not many 'Star Wars' fans are going to get excited about yet another Spiderman film.
And it would guarantee a big audience for Rogue One... Laughing
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Post by reylo1992 on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 2:23 am

Ok. I am very careful about this source because I don't know to what extent it is reliable but still what do you think about this theory?
It is about Snoke teaching the "darkest art" to Kylo Ren basically how to access to immortality. Interesting to note that the article also ackowledge that Rey may not be a Skywalker and would play her part in Kylo's redemption even if they don't talk about possible romance.
http://www.morningledger.com/star-wars-episode-8-kylo-ren/13124835/
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 2:31 am

@reylo1992 wrote:Ok. I am very careful about this source because I don't know to what extent it is reliable but still what do you think about this theory?
It is about Snoke teaching the "darkest art" to Kylo Ren basically how to access to immortality. Interesting to note that the article also ackowledge that Rey may not be a Skywalker and would play her part in Kylo's redemption even if they don't talk about possible romance.
http://www.morningledger.com/star-wars-episode-8-kylo-ren/13124835/
@reylo1992

Now this sounds interesting.
I wonder if saving Ren from this is what Rey is meant to do?
Regarding Luke dying....I think if that happens it won't be until Ep. IX.
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Post by ZenBrainJam on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:10 am

I can't see Kylo Ren truly interested in immortality, and I don't think they will kill Luke too. Imo.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:11 am

@reylo1992 wrote:Ok. I am very careful about this source because I don't know to what extent it is reliable but still what do you think about this theory?
It is about Snoke teaching the "darkest art" to Kylo Ren basically how to access to immortality. Interesting to note that the article also ackowledge that Rey may not be a Skywalker and would play her part in Kylo's redemption even if they don't talk about possible romance.
http://www.morningledger.com/star-wars-episode-8-kylo-ren/13124835/
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Hmm.... I don't know if that article's writer has misunderstood essence transfer or if they're expressing themselves a bit unclearly, but such a transfer wouldn't be about extending Kylo's life - but Snoke's.

Basically, it would be Snoke using Kylo as a host body.
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Post by MeadowofAshes on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 6:11 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:There is a proverbe in my country (I'll do my best with the translation):

"Even a blind chicken, is sometimes capable to find a grain"

The proverbe I immediately attached to Mike Zeroh being a blind chicken far too many times so far - but well who knows, maybe he found his grain this time.
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I like that proverb! We have a similar one in the States... Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Post by reylo1992 on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 6:18 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@reylo1992 wrote:Ok. I am very careful about this source because I don't know to what extent it is reliable but still what do you think about this theory?
It is about Snoke teaching the "darkest art" to Kylo Ren basically how to access to immortality. Interesting to note that the article also ackowledge that Rey may not be a Skywalker and would play her part in Kylo's redemption even if they don't talk about possible romance.
http://www.morningledger.com/star-wars-episode-8-kylo-ren/13124835/
@reylo1992

Hmm.... I don't know if that article's writer has misunderstood essence transfer or if they're expressing themselves a bit unclearly, but such a transfer wouldn't be about extending Kylo's life - but Snoke's.

Basically, it would be Snoke using Kylo as a host body.
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Yes! I tend to think the same with Snoke using Kylo's energy to extend his life the same way the SKB uses the powers of the sun. Makes me think to Voldemort using Horcruxes to extend his own life after committing a murder and the fact is Snoke agrees to complete Kylo's training only after he murdered his father. Snoke's identity is for me the bigest mystery of the sequel trilogy. I really ask myself what the screenwriters can find as greater villain than Palpatine if he's not Plagueis but supposed to have watched the Empire rise and fall. @Sylviasnow89 brillantly pointed out that Snoke looks like the Enchanteress in Beauty & Beast 2. So there must be the idea of a curse behind it that makes it impossible for Kylo to breal the spell. Others have pointed out that Kylo's scar looks strangely similar to Snoke's and came to the conclusion that Snoke might be Kylo Ren himself or the personnification of the Dark Side with some part deep inside Kylo. I pointed out the similarity between Kylo's scar and Adam's portrait:
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Then I thought to Anakin's line about "becoming all powerful" to prevent people from dying and made the connexion with Prince Adam's portrait. We must keep in mind that he was supposed to remain a Beast "forever" after he was cursed. Does it mean until his death or really for eternity? This lead me to the following speculation even if I hope it's not that: don't you think that Kylo Ren's curse may have some connexion with the portrait of Dorian Gray, not the entire story but at least some elements? I don't say that he would be Snoke himself but that he would be under some strong spell that binds his life  forever with Snoke the same way Dorian Gray is bound with the portrait. This could perhaps explain why they made him look so boyish and attractive while Snoke appears so  old and ugly. This would also makes sense, knowing the similarities between TFA and Harry Potter with some part of Voldemort living within Harry. J.J. Abrams stated that Ben was actually convinced to run away from the FO, then the sun disappears and one can hear Snoke's theme while Kylo is killing his father. Olus the novelization described Kylo as stunned by his own action and being weakened instead of strenghten. What do you think all about it?
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Post by BenRey on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 6:19 am

I'm looking forward to the fallout from Rogue One. The Rey Erso Skywalker tears will be delicious. Smile
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