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Post by Darth_Awakened on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:06 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
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Honestly I don't know.
I just know that some rumors were floating around recently that EP IX is set to start filming in April 2017.
I don't know if it was confirmed or not. I thought it was just a rumor.
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Post by CienaRee on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:10 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
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I know some fans have been speculating over the possability of CGI Leia but I really hope that's not the case.I know Leia is universally loved and many don't want to see the character being killed off but it just doesn't feel right for them to use CGI Leia.Carrie is what made Leia who she was(which is also what LF said) and I just wouldn't stop thinking that this isn't  really Carrie playing Leia(especially when there are scenes woth her and Kylo it would make hit even hadrer  how Carrie and Adam will most likely never share/shared any scenes together ) if they go with CGI in epsiode 9 especially if that episode is going to fcous on Kylo's redemption.I know they didn't do a bad job with Tarkin and Leia but it feel too soon for them t do that even if Carrie's family agrees.
For me it would be muhc better if they honour Leia  in episode 9 with an on screen funeral or something because either way she won't be appearing in any other SW movie after episode 9(if they go with CGI) so it's much better if they honour her then since they probably won't get the chacne to do that in other saga movies(I assume if they continue with another trilogy it would be set years later).

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Post by IoJovi on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:15 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind. It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind. Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me. I'm curious on other's thoughts.

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all. This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. Not sure how I feel about this one either. I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this. I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.

3. Replace Leia with a different actress altogether. Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion. However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes. If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure. And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.
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Post by ZioRen on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:34 pm

I keep wondering if we might see a delay in VIII because they have to reshoot to add scenes reacting to Leia's death, if they go that direction. They're not going to save that for some opening crawl in IX.

I could be wrong, but I can't see them using a CGI Leia. Not so soon after we lost Carrie. It would just feel weird and hollow and some people may find it disrespectful. It just seems like a risk I can't imagine Disney wanting to take.
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:40 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind.  It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind.  Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me.  I'm curious on other's thoughts.  

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all.  This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.  

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One.  Not sure how I feel about this one either.  I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this.  I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.  

3.  Replace Leia with a different actress altogether.  Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion.  However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes.  If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure.  And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.  
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I'am still too much into the past weeks sad events that I am unable to think about it yet.
However, they must do something, change things story wise or just find some sort of replacement.
Honestly, at this moment an idea of a replacement would it be CGI or another actress seems kind of horrific to me.

I'am completely sure in one thing though: it will not be easy for anyone in LF and the production. They all knew her personally and many of them were also fans for ages (like Pablo or Rian), considering the circumstances they're going to have my support and approval on whatever they decide.


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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:42 pm

@CienaRee wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
@Rei of Sunshine
I know some fans have been speculating over the possability of CGI Leia but I really hope that's not the case.I know Leia is universally loved and many don't want to see the character being killed off but it just doesn't feel right for them to use CGI Leia.Carrie is what made Leia who she was(which is also what LF said) and I just wouldn't stop thinking that this isn't  really Carrie playing Leia(especially when there are scenes woth her and Kylo it would make hit even hadrer  how Carrie and Adam will most likely never share/shared any scenes together ) if they go with CGI in epsiode 9 especially if that episode is going to fcous on Kylo's redemption.I know they didn't do a bad job with Tarkin and Leia but it feel too soon for them t do that even if Carrie's family agrees.
For me it would be muhc better if they honour Leia  in episode 9 with an on screen funeral or something because either way she won't be appearing in any other SW movie after episode 9(if they go with CGI) so it's much better if they honour her then since they probably won't get the chacne to do that in other saga movies(I assume if they continue with another trilogy it would be set years later).
@CienaRee

Oh, I bet Carrie would enjoy acting scenes with Adam, if they haven't already. God I hope they did. I really want to see Kylo and Leia scenes with Carrie herself.

@IoJovi
Option 1 is too heartless and will not sit well with anybody at all. 2 gives everyone something to like. For me, I'd go with CGI Leia as a new actress would be too confusing and will surely strike ire with fans. As much as CGI anyone leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I think it's the safer route to go rather than have Leia suddenly die with a haphazard reason.

 I just want the last movie of the trilogy to be cohesive with what TPTB has been planning. To have Carrie pass away and the last movie being crappy because of that leaves everybody sad. Which is why I firmly believe that Carrie either had advanced scenes for IX, or has somehow left explicit instructions and tips as her part of her NDA with LF seeing as she's aware of her own deteriorating health, enough to write an all out autobio.

Carrie probably entrusted LF with Leia and lets hope they dont fk that up.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:42 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind. It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind. Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me. I'm curious on other's thoughts.

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all. This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. Not sure how I feel about this one either. I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this. I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.

3. Replace Leia with a different actress altogether. Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion. However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes. If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure. And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.
@IoJovi

Given that they reportedly scaled back Leia's role for VIII, I can't see them not having some sort of contingency plan for IX. Perhaps they even got her permission to do CGI for IX, if she was unable to film or film as much as needed. Honestly, if they've gotten Carrie's (and her family's) permission, I think that CGI would be the least offensive way to go.
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Post by Saracene on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:58 pm

I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 3:58 pm

Here are some articles on actors being replaced with CGI after their passing. Probably the best and tastefully done representation would be Plutarch's for Hunger Games with old footage, body doubles, and CGI being used minimally and the key scene that should have been face to face with Katniss, being replaced with a heartfelt letter instead.

There are also some body doubles made to wear latex masks to capture physical likeness to avoid the tackiness created by all out CGI. Reading on this, it seems that it will be easy enough to recreate Leia's appearance on screen. The only thing that will be different is the attitude and honesty that only Carrie can give the character. Leia is 75% Carrie Fisher and that would be a huge challenge for LF.

https://www.google.com.ph/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/17/philip-seymour-hoffman-hunger-games-mockingjay-2-paul-walker?client=ms-android-samsung

http://www.businessinsider.com/actors-brought-back-to-life-with-special-effects-2014-3?op=1/#mous-film-actress-audrey-hepburn-was-brought-back-to-life-using-cgi-for-a-galaxy-chocolate-ad-in-2014-12
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Post by IoJovi on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:01 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:What are your opinions on this? 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-9-filming-date-late-2017/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtVi2NgE-R/

These arent official sources of course. But it is something to think about. Leia should be a major character for 8 and 9 and plays a huge role in Kylo Ren's character arc. The movie production gets pushed back later because TPTB needs to adjust with Carrie's passing. However, they might be considering the option of CGI Leia to fill in the late actress.
@Rei of Sunshine

I can't begin to know how they will fill the hole that Carrie has left behind. It almost feels too soon to be thinking about this, but at the same time, I know it's on everyone's mind. Right now I can picture three options on what could happen with Leia, and none of them seem exactly right to me. I'm curious on other's thoughts.

1. Leia doesn't appear in IX at all. This seems to be akin to sweeping Carrie's death under the rug, and doesn't sit quite right.

2. Replace Leia's role with a CGI fill-in just like they did with Tarkin in Rogue One. Not sure how I feel about this one either. I admit though, it does bring a smile to my face (along with tears) when I picture how Carrie would react to this. I'm sure she'd find a way to insert her own brand of comedy into her commentary.

3. Replace Leia with a different actress altogether. Story-wise, this would be best to maintain the cohesion. However, if they did go this route, and I'm not even sure they would, they would have to choose incredibly carefully who fills those large shoes. If I was an actress, I certainly wouldn't want that kind of pressure. And there's always going to be those who wouldn't be okay with this, regardless of who gets chosen.
@IoJovi

Given that they reportedly scaled back Leia's role for VIII, I can't see them not having some sort of contingency plan for IX. Perhaps they even got her permission to do CGI for IX, if she was unable to film or film as much as needed. Honestly, if they've gotten Carrie's (and her family's) permission, I think that CGI would be the least offensive way to go.
@ISeeAnIsland

I think I'm with you on this one. Carrie herself I know would be upset to see the story suffer because of her absence. I don't know this for certain, and I've never seen this hinted anywhere, but I always saw IX as being Leia's movie, just like VII was Han's and VIII will be Luke's. However, given that Leia is rumored to be in a coma (which I thought to be due to Carrie's health already), chances are I might be wrong on that. Bloodlines was released as well, and I wondered if that was done to make up for how little screen time Leia will get in these movies. I don't know. This is all me speculating and thinking outloud.

Out of the three options I listed, I hate the first one the most. Leia was always my favorite character out of the original three, and I so want her legacy honored. The selfish part of me also still wants that long awaited bittersweet reunion with her son.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:01 pm

@Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.
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But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:29 pm

More on posthumous CGI. This one is Star Wars centric but also discusses some of the legalities of posthumous CGI and intellectual property rights.

Makes me think that Carrie most likely has discussed the possibility of using CGI for Leia only until IX. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078154/Actors-seek-posthumous-protections-big-screen-resurrections.html
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Post by Saracene on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:37 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:
@Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.
@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.
@Rei of Sunshine

I agree, that would be a bad way to end her story. It's just that for me it's a choice between bad and much worse. Watching CGI Tarkin in R1 gave me total creeps, I wouldn't want to feel the same about Leia's last scenes in these series. 

Ideally, they'd have enough footage to give Leia a fitting ending, maybe combining it with a stand-in and *minimal* CGI.

As for what Leia's role was intended to be in these series, it's hard to say. In TFA, her interaction with the new characters was minimal; if anything she was more like a part of Han's story and most of her interactions were with him.


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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:40 pm

Regardless of what they end up doing, I would expect Billie to know Carrie's wishes, and given that Billie is already involved with the franchise, hopefully, she can work with Lucasfilm to figure out what route to take. It's entirely possible that Billie had already been given power of attorney for Carrie.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 4:50 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Regardless of what they end up doing, I would expect Billie to know Carrie's wishes, and given that Billie is already involved with the franchise, hopefully, she can work with Lucasfilm to figure out what route to take. It's entirely possible that Billie had already been given power of attorney for Carrie.
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Could be. Carrie's attorney gave no comments at all regarding her posthumous future in the franchise. Makes you think that she brought Billie into the group so she could have an overseer for Leia. 

@Saracene Of course Leia is very important. Kylo Ren is her son after all. it's been mentioned a lot lately that Leia would play a more important role for 8 and should have a bigger role for 9, storywise of course. in TFA she was just supporting Han, who then passes. 8 and 9 is where Leia should be more active in getting her son back.
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Post by IoJovi on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 5:22 pm

@Saracene wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:
@Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.
@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.
@Rei of Sunshine

I agree, that would be a bad way to end her story. It's just that for me it's a choice between bad and much worse. Watching CGI Tarkin in R1 gave me total creeps, I wouldn't want to feel the same about Leia's last scenes in these series. 

Ideally, they'd have enough footage to give Leia a fitting ending, maybe combining it with a stand-in and *minimal* CGI.

As for what Leia's role was intended to be in these series, it's hard to say. In TFA, her interaction with the new characters was minimal; if anything she was more like a part of Han's story and most of her interactions were with him.
@Saracene

I don't disagree with you. I know I'm the one who listed the three viable options at this point, but honestly I hate all of them. Yet, they're the only viable solutions I can think of at this point.

I personally enjoyed CGI Tarkin, but that's because first of all, I wasn't expecting it, and two, the actor has been gone for over twenty years. The mourning for Peter Cushing has been done. It was a nice surprise, and a great homage to ANH.

The character of Leia though is much different. Carrie will have been less than two years by the time IX rolls around. Many fans will still be grieving. I honestly can't see them giving Leia the same amount of screen time Tarkin had with a CGI stand in. Even if it was flawless (which Tarkin wasn't), we'd still know it wasn't really her.

I'm not against CGI, but like you I think it can be minimized with existing footage, depending on what they have.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 5:25 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
@Saracene wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:
@Saracene wrote:I would honestly prefer Leia to die offscreen than having a creepy ghastly CGI Leia.
@Saracene

But that would equate to her being swept under the rug though. Surely Leia's story isn't close to over just yet. Having her die offscreen could affect the storyline.
@Rei of Sunshine

I agree, that would be a bad way to end her story. It's just that for me it's a choice between bad and much worse. Watching CGI Tarkin in R1 gave me total creeps, I wouldn't want to feel the same about Leia's last scenes in these series. 

Ideally, they'd have enough footage to give Leia a fitting ending, maybe combining it with a stand-in and *minimal* CGI.

As for what Leia's role was intended to be in these series, it's hard to say. In TFA, her interaction with the new characters was minimal; if anything she was more like a part of Han's story and most of her interactions were with him.
@Saracene

I don't disagree with you. I know I'm the one who listed the three viable options at this point, but honestly I hate all of them. Yet, they're the only viable solutions I can think of at this point.

I personally enjoyed CGI Tarkin, but that's because first of all, I wasn't expecting it, and two, the actor has been gone for over twenty years. The mourning for Peter Cushing has been done. It was a nice surprise, and a great homage to ANH.

The character of Leia though is much different. Carrie will have been less than two years by the time IX rolls around. Many fans will still be grieving. I honestly can't see them giving Leia the same amount of screen time Tarkin had with a CGI stand in. Even if it was flawless (which Tarkin wasn't), we'd still know it wasn't really her.

I'm not against CGI, but like you I think it can be minimized with existing footage, depending on what they have.
@IoJovi

Depending on Leia's story arc in VIII, they can even possibly stretch it out into IX to minimize the amount of extra footage/stand-in/CGI time they have to use in IX. For example, if the coma rumors are true, and if say, Leia was supposed to wake up at the end of VIII when Luke hypothetically shows up, they can hold off on that until sometime in IX. It would require some reshoots, but they've already built reshoot time into the schedule for VIII.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 6:11 pm

Atleast Star Wars isn't a movie based off a novel. TPTB has enough flexibility to alter their script without making it look like a hackjob. 

If Leia get's killed off to coincide with Carrie's death, I see it happening in the 1st or 2nd act of Episode IX just like with Yoda. Gives Kylo Ren's redemption more gravitas. Bittersweet how Ben is finally back, but is a little too late.
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Post by Jakku on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 6:37 pm

The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality. (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.) Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road. If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing. Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway. LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress. The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.




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Post by Rogue Rey on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 6:45 pm

I wonder if they filmed anything with Carrie and Adam on set in costume.  Even if it wasn't official footage and it was just stuff when the cameras kept rolling after a take and they could use it?  Just a thought.

I know that kind of footage was how they got part of the final scene of Paul Walker for Fast 7 when he's smiling at the camera in the car - that bit was footage after they'd cut but they kept the camera rolling and captured that moment.

I did think about how Leia will feature in Ep 9 and while a replacement actress in the role of Leia would be a big fat no for most (myself included), I imagine that Carrie had a stand in/body double or even a stunt double.  Perhaps they could film that person from the back at distance (again this is something they did with Paul Walker's brothers for Fast 7) and use it with stock or unused footage and a little CGI.  They can work wonders these days with technology - I mean they got Alec Guinness saying Rey by altering the actual word he said.

I think that whatever they end up doing will be difficult for the actor appearing opposite especially if it's an emotional scene Sad Sad Sad
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 7:54 pm

@Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.




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I agree with you.  For as upsetting as it is, a straight up recast in the vein of Michael Gambon replacing Richard Harris for Dumbledore may actually be the most respectful way to handle this.  If Leia was intended to have all kinds of storyline moving forward, storyline like @snufkin frequently discusses, of Leia becoming the real hero of it all, because she was the one who stayed and endured unlike her brother, father or Han, in addition to becoming the more important heir because it's through her, by Kylo/Ben, that the Skywalkers go on ... then just cutting off Leia, as a character, would be very sad for a variety of reasons, ranging from losing the message of endurance and empowerment such a storyline would provide, to maybe even going against Carrie's wishes for the character.  I don't know anything about Carrie Fisher, but in the end the woman was a writer.  She has made serious efforts to refine the SW movies for 40 years, and maybe I am wrong, but I think she might want Leia to have her moment in the sun, and for the SW storyline to be at its best and most coherent, whether she lived to see it or not.

They could accomplish this with CGI, and I am not against CGI ... but like @IoJovi was saying, there are concerns with it.  Peter Cushing has been gone a long time.  It was wonderful to "see him" again.  With Carrie Fisher, I just don't know.  Would it seem creepy or would it be lovely? I just don't know.  Carrie Fisher is irreplaceable and a heroine and icon to so many of us.  I wonder if it would be best if they just kind of acknowledged that and just recast the part of Leia with a strong 60-something actress.  We would all know that it's not Carrie, but you wouldn't have anyone "pretending" to be Carrie either.  I just don't know.  I just hope whatever LF does that it's something Carrie would have approved of.
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Post by IoJovi on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 8:11 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.




@Jakku

I agree with you.  For as upsetting as it is, a straight up recast in the vein of Michael Gambon replacing Richard Harris for Dumbledore may actually be the most respectful way to handle this.  If Leia was intended to have all kinds of storyline moving forward, storyline like @snufkin frequently discusses, of Leia becoming the real hero of it all, because she was the one who stayed and endured unlike her brother, father or Han, in addition to becoming the more important heir because it's through her, by Kylo/Ben, that the Skywalkers go on ... then just cutting off Leia, as a character, would be very sad for a variety of reasons, ranging from losing the message of endurance and empowerment such a storyline would provide, to maybe even going against Carrie's wishes for the character.  I don't know anything about Carrie Fisher, but in the end the woman was a writer.  She has made serious efforts to refine the SW movies for 40 years, and maybe I am wrong, but I think she might want Leia to have her moment in the sun, and for the SW storyline to be at its best and most coherent, whether she lived to see it or not.

They could accomplish this with CGI, and I am not against CGI ... but like @IoJovi was saying, there are concerns with it.  Peter Cushing has been gone a long time.  It was wonderful to "see him" again.  With Carrie Fisher, I just don't know.  Would it seem creepy or would it be lovely? I just don't know.  Carrie Fisher is irreplaceable and a heroine and icon to so many of us.  I wonder if it would be best if they just kind of acknowledged that and just recast the part of Leia with a strong 60-something actress.  We would all know that it's not Carrie, but you wouldn't have anyone "pretending" to be Carrie either.  I just don't know.  I just hope whatever LF does that it's something Carrie would have approved of.
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Like I said previously, I really hate all three options, but the one I really hate the most is the first - Leia being written off for most or all of IX when likely the writers had big plans for her.  That just seems wrong, and I don't think Carrie would be okay with it either.  She herself said she sees herself as the custodian of Leia, and that tells me a lot on her wishes for the character.  

That leaves us with either a CGI replacement or a complete recast.  It's incredibly difficult for me to choose between these two.  Unless the technology has improved two years from now, I'd have to opt for a recast if the writers don't wish to reduce Leia's role.  Considering the emotional weight that character will be carrying (seeing her son's redemption among other things), I can't see a CGI stand in being able to pull this off.

Yes, Tarkin had some substantial screentime in RO, but I wouldn't call it exactly an emotional role.
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Post by Saracene on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 8:39 pm

To be honest, while "Leia is a responsible leader of The Resistance" is admirable and all, I think at the same time it was always going to limit Leia's character. It means that she can't really take off on adventures with the other characters, and because she's a strong coper it means that she can't have the kind of arc Han had in TFA and Luke will presumably have later in the series, where they've given up or ran away and then have to man up and face their issues. It's just more of the same, men are flawed and interesting and have dramatic arcs, women have to be role models.
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Post by IoJovi on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 8:47 pm

@Saracene wrote:To be honest, while "Leia is a responsible leader of The Resistance" is admirable and all, I think at the same time it was always going to limit Leia's character. It means that she can't really take off on adventures with the other characters, and because she's a strong coper it means that she can't have the kind of arc Han had in TFA and Luke will presumably have later in the series, where they've given up or ran away and then have to man up and face their issues. It's just more of the same, men are flawed and interesting and have dramatic arcs, women have to be role models.
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I still have better faith in Kathleen Kennedy's vision, than every woman simply being a role model.  Phasma isn't exactly my favorite for a few reasons, but I'm still glad they decided to cast a woman who works on the side of the FO.  It's not exactly a weighty role, but it's still refreshing to see a woman who's on the 'wrong' side.  

And if we do get reciprocated Reylo (which I think is still highly likely at the end), I can almost bet that will involve Rey being tempted by the Darkside, just as Kylo will be tempted by the Light.  She won't come out smelling like a bouquet of roses, even if she doesn't kill anyone in the process.
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Post by Guest on Sun 01 Jan 2017, 9:24 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@Jakku wrote:The fact that Disney are due a £41 million insurance payout over Carrie's death suggests that they'd costed what would be needed to manage the eventuality.   (There will be such insurance for all the leads, I imagine.)  Carrie, as a pro, would know that the studio would have to do what they could to keep the trilogy on the road.  If IX was planned to involve significant amounts of acting from Carrie in order to support the plot, they'll simply have to recast.

I don't think that's such a bad thing.  Carrie in TFA was very different from the Leia we last saw in ROTJ, and many of the GA who don't remember the OT all that well quite possibly thought it was a different actress anyway.    LFL could get away with a carefully-chosen alternative actress.  The fanboys would hate it, but they hate everything anyway.

Carrie would still be the embodiment of Leia - no-one can take the iconic Leia of the OT away.




@Jakku

I agree with you.  For as upsetting as it is, a straight up recast in the vein of Michael Gambon replacing Richard Harris for Dumbledore may actually be the most respectful way to handle this.  If Leia was intended to have all kinds of storyline moving forward, storyline like @snufkin frequently discusses, of Leia becoming the real hero of it all, because she was the one who stayed and endured unlike her brother, father or Han, in addition to becoming the more important heir because it's through her, by Kylo/Ben, that the Skywalkers go on ... then just cutting off Leia, as a character, would be very sad for a variety of reasons, ranging from losing the message of endurance and empowerment such a storyline would provide, to maybe even going against Carrie's wishes for the character.  I don't know anything about Carrie Fisher, but in the end the woman was a writer.  She has made serious efforts to refine the SW movies for 40 years, and maybe I am wrong, but I think she might want Leia to have her moment in the sun, and for the SW storyline to be at its best and most coherent, whether she lived to see it or not.

They could accomplish this with CGI, and I am not against CGI ... but like @IoJovi was saying, there are concerns with it.  Peter Cushing has been gone a long time.  It was wonderful to "see him" again.  With Carrie Fisher, I just don't know.  Would it seem creepy or would it be lovely? I just don't know.  Carrie Fisher is irreplaceable and a heroine and icon to so many of us.  I wonder if it would be best if they just kind of acknowledged that and just recast the part of Leia with a strong 60-something actress.  We would all know that it's not Carrie, but you wouldn't have anyone "pretending" to be Carrie either.  I just don't know.  I just hope whatever LF does that it's something Carrie would have approved of.
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Like I said previously, I really hate all three options, but the one I really hate the most is the first - Leia being written off for most or all of IX when likely the writers had big plans for her.  That just seems wrong, and I don't think Carrie would be okay with it either.  She herself said she sees herself as the custodian of Leia, and that tells me a lot on her wishes for the character.  

That leaves us with either a CGI replacement or a complete recast.  It's incredibly difficult for me to choose between these two.  Unless the technology has improved two years from now, I'd have to opt for a recast if the writers don't wish to reduce Leia's role.  Considering the emotional weight that character will be carrying (seeing her son's redemption among other things), I can't see a CGI stand in being able to pull this off.

Yes, Tarkin had some substantial screentime in RO, but I wouldn't call it exactly an emotional role.  
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I agree that a recast might be the best of the options available especially if episode ix was meant to feature the character in an important role which I suspect it was. While of course no one could replace Carrie Fisher and she will always be the iconic Princess/General Leia, in this situation I can come to terms with the decision to find another actress to play the part as needed to finish out the trilogy.

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