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Post by ReyofLightSide on Thu 30 Mar 2017, 9:55 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@ReyofLightSide wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:If the ST makes it apparent that Rey and Kylo bone (i.e., we get a "fade to black" from a passionate kissing session), I could see Rey getting knocked up, and if Rey gets pregnant, I'd figure that Kylo is pretty much a goner.

So, as much as I'd love to see a Reylo makeout scene, I am hoping that it stops with that, and any insinuated sex is left to post-ST.
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Disney (and George Lucas) probably doesn't approve of my childhood conclusion that from Bespin up until getting him getting frozen, Han and Leia were knocking boots for the rest of ESB . And in RotJ after his rescue from Jabba. Probably also a couple of times in an Ewok Village tree house just to put it on their "weirdest place you've done it" list. I hope that single mom Rey isn't an idea the filmmakers have ever floated. It seems awfully cruel to do that to her after the big trauma/dream of her life has to do with being separated from likely dead parents.
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I think Irving Kershner was quoted once saying something like "a kiss in SW equals sex." Also Leia stopped wearing white for the first time in Bespin. :-)
@SoloSideCousin

Oh man, what does that say about her kissing Luke?! Don't want to go there, haha!  You are right about how Han goes "ga ga" (Kasdan's script) when he sees her in that dark red outfit. I always figured that point on they were boning because of what they've already been through. And that's even before the truly traumatic stuff happens to them.

Hmm, so no longer wearing white? Rey's outfit does become more grey after her feeling the Force with Kylo.

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@snufkin

I don't know if I read somewhere that Bespin is where Leia and Han first hooked or I just have this delusion in my head but I always thought the same.
And yes, Rey and Kylo's two encounters (interrogation and light saber fight) had a lot of sweating and heavy breathing just like the (whispers) sex.
@ReyofLightSide

Absolutely! It's just the 21st century movie version of what filmmakers had to do in the 30s and 40s to hint that some kind of sexual activity was happening without running afoul of the Hayes Code.  @snufkin and @Darth Dementor have talked quite a bit on this.

I recently started watching a lot of old movies for the first time thanks to @snufkin's influence, and WOW, I have been shocked at how much subtext is in some of these movies.  I mean for heaven's sake there is a bit in Roman Holiday where Audrey Hepburn's character wakes up and is wondering if she "lost something" and is checking to see if she still has underwear on, lol.

A SW saga movie will probably never have any kind of conspicuous sex, but my goodness JJ sure edited in a lot of facial expressions and utilized a lot of camera shots and sound effects (his cat sound, her heartbeat) and just plain breath sounds that would be quite at home in more adult fare.  I mean just think of how goofy that interrogation scene would have been if not for the sexual chemistry between the actors and the shots and facial expressions JJ used.  JJ knew exactly what he was doing, and so did the actors.  I don't know Daisy's other work, but Adam knows how to be completely unsexy when he wants to be and also insanely sexy when he wants to be in a performance.  He chose the latter option in those scenes.
@SoloSideCousin

So true about old movies. Like this scene from It's a Wonderful Life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBbDW491V0
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 30 Mar 2017, 10:16 pm

@snufkin wrote:
@Piper Maru wrote:
@snufkin wrote:@ReyofLightSide - that's why when I read comments about how even if Luke isn't Rey's father, then he'll be her father-like figure and protector because his big bad nephew has designs on her innocence and LOL. It just makes me think of that movie where Marky Mark is the bad boy after Reese Witherspoon's virginity (I remember seeing it in my hotel room on vacation) and her dad has to defend his family. It's literally the theme of a bunch of bad movies and some gross paternalistic attitudes about young women's agency and sexuality. They may be in for a shock because Rey sure did appear to enjoy that moment of feeling the Force with him.
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Honestly, in the context of the Star Wars, "feeling the Force together" is far more intimate and powerful than doing the deed, especially in the circumstances Kylo and Rey were Laughing
@Piper Maru

It is, especially for those two characters having this ability and sensitivity that can't be accessed or shared by most people. It's the first FS-FS relationship versus the previous two trilogies having it be between one person who's FS (Leia and Anakin) and their partner (Han and Padme) who isn't. They even emphasize it in Empire's End that Han knows his wife and son share a bond via an ability he'll never have or understand.
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Yes!!!! And not to get all college film analysis-ish , but this conversation suddenly made me think of a new angle by which to analyze Reylo.    Though if this was the intention, it will not come to light for several years, but your use of the words "intimacy" and "powerful" and "sensitivity" and @snufkin your mention above of paternalistic protection of female sexuality made me just think of just that, female sexuality.

Not to get too R-rated here, but for women your mental state can often be *everything*.  If your head is not in the game, things might go okay, but they won't be spectacular.  But if *you are really connecting with someone mentally* even the slightest touch can have you losing your mind.  So in a way you could argue that the force sex moment on the cliffside is actually a subtextual acknowledgement or even honoring of women's sexuality. 

I mean maybe I am getting too college analyis here, but when you think about somebody like Rey, who has really had the short end of the stick in everything in her life ... there is a kind of satisfying bliss in the movie giving her this spectacular sensual/mental connection.  And as for him, he plays the stereotypical female role quite a bit as well.  He's abandoned, he's abused, he's emotional, he's needy, his life seems really bad. 

And actually to take it out of gender issues and just to look at them as two damaged people who have had very little happiness, that scene can go beyond just the sexual subtext into something higher, almost like them being gifted by nature (the force) with this experience for all their sufferings. 

The creative team may never call it "force sex", but that scene is a big, big deal.  They exchanged energies when their coloring kept shifting from red to blue back and forth, and that was a peaceful, pleasurable, spiritual exchange ... you know, kind of like force balance might be. Very Happy
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Post by Piper Maru on Thu 30 Mar 2017, 10:31 pm

@SoloSideCousin Yes. I do see that scene as an awakening of sexuality as well. I mean, we have two young people, probably inexperienced and severely deprived of affection in their lives. They lock eyes at the edge of a cliff, almost falling. Their two sabers blend into each other and glow in a color (purple) that is a mix of the two (red + blue). They moan and sweat a lot.

Alright then Laughing
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Post by jakkusun on Thu 30 Mar 2017, 10:39 pm

@panki wrote:
@nonesuch wrote:Star Wars News Net has a big new article on the future of SW:

Obi-Wan movie:

- Kathleen Kennedy and the rest of Lucasfilm fully intend to make an Obi-Wan movie set between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, with Ewan McGregor in tow.
- I want to emphasize that it’s a movie, singular – not a trilogy.
- Rogue One’s Gareth Edwards could be returning to the director’s chair, as Kathleen Kennedy was happy with his work on that film.
- An announcement of an Obi-Wan movie might just be one of the big surprises at Celebration Orlando. And it’s not just a gut feeling: This possibility is supported by the existence of a few materials that were made in conjunction with the event.

Boba Fett & The Bounty Hunters

- Rest assured, the Boba Fett movie is not dead.
- As far as I can tell, the movie will most likely not be an origin story.
- It’s not strictly a Boba Fett movie, but a film about an ensemble of bounty hunters on an adventure.
- It sounds as though Fett is just one important component to the movie as opposed to the central character.
- The project is basically going to use the same pitch that it would have had if Trank had directed it. A script was not even ready at the point where Trank would have talked about his movie at Celebration Anaheim, the project has received further development thanks to Kinberg’s efforts.

Young adult SW movie:

- This Star Wars project is going to target the young-adult audience and have slight romantic themes to it.
- Said story is a tragedy…the “love story” angle has more in common with Han & Leia’s romance in The Empire Strikes Back than anything else.
- This is the first major step toward getting a Star Wars movie that’s directed by a woman.
- It doesn’t sound like this is going to be an adaptation of [Lost Stars].

General points on the future:

- There seems to be a plan for a hiatus on Star Wars movies – a plan that will happen after a few years after the end of the Sequel Trilogy.
- Star Wars on television is going to become a big focus over the next few years.
- The new series might be more in-tune with the existing story arcs of the Star Wars saga instead of “filling in gaps” like The Clone Wars and Rebels have.
- Lucasfilm will want to deliberately starve the market of Star Wars movies for a time.
- The powers that be are interested in making sure that there’s not a sense of fatigue.
- Since Star Wars is a generational thing, there will be a gap between the Sequel Trilogy’s end and the new trilogy’s arrival.

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/03/do-not-post-lucasfilms-post-star-wars-episode-ix-plans.html
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This is interesting news.....I can think of possibilities when it comes to the Boba Fett (and bounty hunters) movie and the YA love story:

1. There is concept art and an unfinished clip from some TCW episodes where Cade Bane is training a young Boba Fett to become a bounty hunter, and they have adventures along with other bounty hunters...though I still think it would make a better TV series than a movie.

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2. The YA love story could be the romance between Ahsoka when she leaves the jedi order (and works as an agent for the jedi)  and smuggler Nyx Okami who doesn't really believe in the Force (again based on Dave Filoni art work for TCW)....we don't hear of Nyx during the Ahsoka novel so obviously things won't end well. There have been rumors of an Ahsoka anthology movie-maybe this is it.

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@panki

I'm late to all this big new but wow! This is a lot to take in haha.

I'm definitely more excited about the boba fett movie if it includes other bounty hunters like maybe cad bane (or Embo please). but yeah it would probably be best as a tv show. Same with the Obi wan movie, maybe. Idk they just seem too small-time to be movies, but oh well, I love ewan mcgregor so even if the movie is awful he'll still make it worth it xD.

If the young adult movie is about Ahsoka, that would be awesome. Smile

I'm both happy and sad about there being a big gap between trilogies. I'm also very excited about more Star Wars tv!
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Post by snufkin on Thu 30 Mar 2017, 10:50 pm

@solosidecousin - no argument here! It's just sad we'll never get Carrie Fisher's DVD box set commentary because she was on late night television in the run up to the announcement (e.g. the time period when she was meeting with JJ Abrams et all about returning) and cracking jokes about a Star Wars porn where "you really feel the Force" and doing heavy Darth Vader breathing. That can't be a coincidence! But yes, that's the type of analysis I haven't seen anywhere other than the "theremin sonata" line. Which isn't even close to explaining everything that happens in that moment.

Also what sane, healthy person wouldn't check for the underwear if they woke up in young Gregory Peck's bed with little memory of what happened the night before?!
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 12:18 am

@Piper Maru wrote:@SoloSideCousin Yes. I do see that scene as an awakening of sexuality as well. I mean, we have two young people, probably inexperienced and severely deprived of affection in their lives. They lock eyes at the edge of a cliff, almost falling. Their two sabers blend into each other and glow in a color (purple) that is a mix of the two (red + blue). They moan and sweat a lot.

Alright then Laughing
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And notice how BOTH lightsabres are reflected in their eyes!
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Post by Mana on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 12:29 am

Ugh, no dead husbands or baby daddys for Rey please. Let her have the family she's always wanted
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Post by Helix on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 12:47 am

That would be relieving, a SW trilogy without dead parents. You have this great new cast, I would be disappointed if next trilogy is Reylo kids with dead parents. Rolling Eyes
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 12:51 am

@Helix wrote:That would be relieving, a SW trilogy without dead parents. You have this great new cast, I would be disappointed if next trilogy is Reylo kids with dead parents. Rolling Eyes
@Helix

I'm just saying that that's pretty much the only way that I seek a bleak ending for Kylo in this trilogy. But I really just can't see LF completely slamming the door on the Skywalkers at the end of the ST. Maybe they take a break for a while, but at the very least, I think they'd leave things open for another Skywalker movie/saga/trilogy at some point in the future.
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Post by panki on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 1:08 am

@jakkusun wrote:
@panki wrote:
@nonesuch wrote:Star Wars News Net has a big new article on the future of SW:

Obi-Wan movie:

- Kathleen Kennedy and the rest of Lucasfilm fully intend to make an Obi-Wan movie set between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, with Ewan McGregor in tow.
- I want to emphasize that it’s a movie, singular – not a trilogy.
- Rogue One’s Gareth Edwards could be returning to the director’s chair, as Kathleen Kennedy was happy with his work on that film.
- An announcement of an Obi-Wan movie might just be one of the big surprises at Celebration Orlando. And it’s not just a gut feeling: This possibility is supported by the existence of a few materials that were made in conjunction with the event.

Boba Fett & The Bounty Hunters

- Rest assured, the Boba Fett movie is not dead.
- As far as I can tell, the movie will most likely not be an origin story.
- It’s not strictly a Boba Fett movie, but a film about an ensemble of bounty hunters on an adventure.
- It sounds as though Fett is just one important component to the movie as opposed to the central character.
- The project is basically going to use the same pitch that it would have had if Trank had directed it. A script was not even ready at the point where Trank would have talked about his movie at Celebration Anaheim, the project has received further development thanks to Kinberg’s efforts.

Young adult SW movie:

- This Star Wars project is going to target the young-adult audience and have slight romantic themes to it.
- Said story is a tragedy…the “love story” angle has more in common with Han & Leia’s romance in The Empire Strikes Back than anything else.
- This is the first major step toward getting a Star Wars movie that’s directed by a woman.
- It doesn’t sound like this is going to be an adaptation of [Lost Stars].

General points on the future:

- There seems to be a plan for a hiatus on Star Wars movies – a plan that will happen after a few years after the end of the Sequel Trilogy.
- Star Wars on television is going to become a big focus over the next few years.
- The new series might be more in-tune with the existing story arcs of the Star Wars saga instead of “filling in gaps” like The Clone Wars and Rebels have.
- Lucasfilm will want to deliberately starve the market of Star Wars movies for a time.
- The powers that be are interested in making sure that there’s not a sense of fatigue.
- Since Star Wars is a generational thing, there will be a gap between the Sequel Trilogy’s end and the new trilogy’s arrival.

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/03/do-not-post-lucasfilms-post-star-wars-episode-ix-plans.html
@nonesuch

This is interesting news.....I can think of possibilities when it comes to the Boba Fett (and bounty hunters) movie and the YA love story:

1. There is concept art and an unfinished clip from some TCW episodes where Cade Bane is training a young Boba Fett to become a bounty hunter, and they have adventures along with other bounty hunters...though I still think it would make a better TV series than a movie.

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2. The YA love story could be the romance between Ahsoka when she leaves the jedi order (and works as an agent for the jedi)  and smuggler Nyx Okami who doesn't really believe in the Force (again based on Dave Filoni art work for TCW)....we don't hear of Nyx during the Ahsoka novel so obviously things won't end well. There have been rumors of an Ahsoka anthology movie-maybe this is it.

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@panki

I'm late to all this big new but wow! This is a lot to take in haha.

I'm definitely more excited about the boba fett movie if it includes other bounty hunters like maybe cad bane (or Embo please). but yeah it would probably be best as a tv show. Same with the Obi wan movie, maybe. Idk they just seem too small-time to be movies, but oh well, I love ewan mcgregor so even if the movie is awful he'll still make it worth it xD.

If the young adult movie  is about Ahsoka, that would be awesome. Smile

I'm both happy and sad about there being a big gap between trilogies. I'm also very excited about more Star Wars tv!

I'm also really hoping we get to see Embo as well, along with his pet Anooba. Very Happy

Star Wars TV sounds so promising....hopefully they'll finally make a gritty adult centric series like SW:Underworld. *fingers crossed* I wouldn't even mind seeing a series on Snap Wexley's life while training at the academy to become a pilot....this could target the younger audience after Rebels ends and introduce us to younger versions of characters from the ST including Poe and Ben Solo.

And I agree with you regarding the Obi-wan movie...the fact that Ewan McGregor will be in the movie will make it worth watching, even if the story itself is boring. Cool

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Post by Darth_Awakened on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 1:27 am

@Mana wrote:Ugh, no dead husbands or baby daddys for Rey please. Let her have the family she's always wanted
@Mana

The family or the belonging is the key in Rey's character (the belonging you seek is ahead) as far as TFA showed us IMO.
I agree, no dead husbands, please.
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 1:39 am

I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:00 am

@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
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I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
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Post by Helix on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:03 am

Don't know if I'm keen on Gareth returning, he's not really great at fleshing out characters. We all know interesting characters are what make SW work, like say TFA. I feel both R1 and G 2014 had only a handful of really interesting characters. They have other things that make them work, but I want some more good, new, memorable SW characters ala TFA. Maybe he'll get better, but I still wish they'd tap some new talent. Maybe it's also the writers. I feel he's better at just action and wowing, which isn't the only thing I want in SW.
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Post by panki on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:20 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad

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Post by CienaRee on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:25 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
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I think it would be very hyporcitical on the writers's part if they have a Finn/KMT romance yet don't go the same route with Rey especially when what she wants is a family and a baelonging.It would be really frustrating if they change that just so she can be a ''strong female character''whatever the hell that means.
Honestly I don't know where that crap about being invovled in a romance makes you weak person comes from but it really needs to stop.It really doesn't make you progressive or feminist at all you just end up giving women masculine treats(aka turning them into men)which is so actually much more sexist.Honestly people the defintion of feminism is men and women having equal rights so what gives you the  right you have to judge a character(I'm not syaing yoiu shouldn'' have an opinion but there's a  difference betwene that and being judgmental/looking down upon people who don't fit your criteria of strong and weak) about whether he/she chooses to be in a romantic relationship or the debt of her strenght/weaknesses.Sorry for the rant,it's just very frustrating to me to watch that become more and more popular when it comes to how we view feminism.
For me there would be ntohing positive in Rey becoming more Jedi esque in personality and letting everything that defines who she is.I
EDIT:Those who say that about Jyn have apparently missed her subtle but budding romance with Cassian.They basically die embrassing and taking comfort in each other so is Jyn weak for not deciding to die just  on her own.


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Post by Darth_Awakened on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:39 am

@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest. And I really don't think they're going to "kill" the Skywalker faimily. It would make SW far more depressing than GOT. What a Face

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
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Post by Saracene on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:45 am

Personally, I'd like Rey to find a place and purpose in the world that's about bigger things than just family, husband etc. If the series simply end with Rey going off with Kylo into exile and being his wife, I'd feel let down to be honest, even if I wouldn't begrudge others enjoying this kind of ending. I wouldn't necessarily want her to become a total Jedi monk and renounce love and romance altogether though.
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Post by panki on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:49 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest.

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

You could be right.... maybe they planned it beforehand that the female lead won't have a love interest and will choose to turn Rey into some sort of Abbess for the Jedi Order (like they did to Luke in canon) ..... the thought itself is irritating. But the fact that some factionsof fandom will support this idea will allow them to pat themselves on the back for the decision as well. Sad

That being said, I also agree with @Saracene that the romance aspect should be secondary...while I'll be happy if she marries Kylo, the focus should still be around her hero's journey, saving the galaxy etc.... something bigger than her saving the Skywalker and bearing his kids.

If Rey becames like the jedi of old and renounces romance, then I'm 100% sure they're done with the Skywalkers and will probably introduce a new trilogy saga after a few years with a whole new family set in some other time period in the future or the Old Republic.I don't see Kylo having another LI other than Rey.

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Post by CienaRee on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 3:59 am

@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest.

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

You could be right.... maybe they planned it beforehand that the female lead won't have a love interest and will choose to turn Rey into some sort of Abbess for the Jedi Order (like they did to Luke in canon) ..... the thought itself is irritating. But the fact that some factionsof fandom will support this idea will allow them to pat themselves on the back for the decision as well. Sad

That being said, I also agree with @Saracene that the romance aspect should be secondary...while I'll be happy if she marries Kylo, the focus should still be around her hero's journey, saving the galaxy etc.... something bigger than her saving the Skywalker and bearing his kids.

If Rey becames like the jedi of old and renounces romance, then I'm 100% sure they're done with the Skywalkers and will probably introduce a new trilogy saga after a few years with a whole new family set in some other time period in the future or the Old Republic.I don't see Kylo having another LI other than Rey.
@panki

I feel like there should be a balance between Rey being an indpendant character and having a romance otherwise it would do more harm to her character than good if either one is treated as more important  than the other if it's written as too drastic.I think Padme is a good example of someone who puts the Galaxy's needs first for far too long and as a result she doesn't have a family on her own which eventhough she doesn't want to admit is painful for her and ofcourse her deducation to it is also the reason he and Anakin end up in such a mess of a marriage. I would be sad if the same thing happened to Rey.
I think people who are fine with Rey becoming a monk like Luke are really missing the essance of her charactereand and are instead looking at her on a very superficial level.It makes no sence to me though how they would be happy if Rey choose that way of life yet complain that Like never had a wfie and children.Yeah,no double standards there. Rolling Eyes


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Post by panki on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 4:06 am

@CienaRee wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest.

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

You could be right.... maybe they planned it beforehand that the female lead won't have a love interest and will choose to turn Rey into some sort of Abbess for the Jedi Order (like they did to Luke in canon) ..... the thought itself is irritating. But the fact that some factionsof fandom will support this idea will allow them to pat themselves on the back for the decision as well. Sad

That being said, I also agree with @Saracene that the romance aspect should be secondary...while I'll be happy if she marries Kylo, the focus should still be around her hero's journey, saving the galaxy etc.... something bigger than her saving the Skywalker and bearing his kids.

If Rey becames like the jedi of old and renounces romance, then I'm 100% sure they're done with the Skywalkers and will probably introduce a new trilogy saga after a few years with a whole new family set in some other time period in the future or the Old Republic.I don't see Kylo having another LI other than Rey.
@panki

I feel like there should be a balance between Rey being an indpendant character and having a romance otherwise it would do more harm to her character than good if either one is treated as more important  than the other if it's written as too drastic.
@CienaRee

I get what you are saying about balance....maybe its just the nerd in me that is more into lightsaber battles, wild new force powers and starships....but I am more keen on seeing those aspects get more screen time over the romance aspect...that being said, I still want her to find love and family as well.

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Post by Darth_Awakened on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 4:12 am

@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest.

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

You could be right.... maybe they planned it beforehand that the female lead won't have a love interest and will choose to turn Rey into some sort of Abbess for the Jedi Order (like they did to Luke in canon) ..... the thought itself is irritating. But the fact that some factionsof fandom will support this idea will allow them to pat themselves on the back for the decision as well. Sad

That being said, I also agree with @Saracene that the romance aspect should be secondary...while I'll be happy if she marries Kylo, the focus should still be around her hero's journey, saving the galaxy etc.... something bigger than her saving the Skywalker and bearing his kids.

If Rey becames like the jedi of old and renounces romance, then I'm 100% sure they're done with the Skywalkers and will probably introduce a new trilogy saga after a few years with a whole new family set in some other time period in the future or the Old Republic.I don't see Kylo having another LI other than Rey.
@panki

I agree with both you. I must say that I'am dead sure of the "Rey ending as crucial for and a hero of Force stuff". That's safe bet for me.
She's very possible there to bring the change of the understanding of the Force or even Jedi place in all of it (having in mind the rumor on Jedi not being exactly what everybody thought before).

The romance with Kylo would add "spice" to all of it. And create most necessary conflict in the storytelling between the characters - the same way Luke's and Vader's "son - father" relation contribued in the OT.
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Post by Moonjump05 on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 4:13 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest. And I really don't think they're going to "kill" the Skywalker faimily. It would make SW far more depressing than GOT. What a Face

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

Actually this is true even if Reywalker happened- so all those people clamoring for 'Rey don't need no man' are effectively ending the Skywalker line.

@Saracene wrote:Personally, I'd like Rey to find a place and purpose in the world that's about bigger things than just family, husband etc. If the series simply end with Rey going off with Kylo into exile and being his wife, I'd feel let down to be honest, even if I wouldn't begrudge others enjoying this kind of ending. I wouldn't necessarily want her to become a total Jedi monk and renounce love and romance altogether though.
@Saracene

I think Rey will find that important place- as a side effect of finding her 'family'. So far Rey doesn't want power or fame, she wants to help those she loves. She wants belonging. And that isn't just some small thing.

So her going off with a husband at the end, if that happens, would be perfectly fine with me because that is what she wants. Belonging. And what is belonging but being with the person of your choice?

She will have that, plus I am sure she will be a galactic hero/powerful force weirder (partly because she already is) in addition.
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Post by Saracene on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 4:17 am

@CienaRee wrote:I feel like there should be a balance between Rey being an indpendant character and having a romance otherwise it would do more harm to her character than good if either one is treated as more important  than the other if it's written as too drastic.
I think people who are fine with Rey becoming a monk like Luke are really missing the essance of her charactereand and are instead looking at her on a very superficial level.It makes no sence to me though how they would be happy if Rey choose that way of life yet complain that Like never had a wfie and children.Yeah,no double standards there. Rolling Eyes
@CienaRee

I guess where I'm coming from is that I'd be disappointed if Rey's character never gets expanded beyond "I want a family".

It's like, Luke's journey in the ST started off with "I want an adventure", a very simple dream of a teenager stuck on a boring planet. But then, after being out there in the wider world, it all becomes about something much larger than that.


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Post by CienaRee on Fri 31 Mar 2017, 4:18 am

@Moonjump05 wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@panki wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@motherofpearl1 wrote:I would like to see Rey going into exile with Kylo at the end of IX, it would be bittersweet but it would also be a good ending for both of them - especially if Rey turned down an offer of being 'something important' in the next galactic government, or being a Jedi. Kylo would finally have someone who loved him enough to put him before their own interests, Rey would find a family in a husband and any future children. She has a bond with Finn, but that might change in the future with his possible romance with Kelly's character.
@motherofpearl1

I'am not worried about Finn at all. His path clearly is towards being the big deal in the Resistance and given the limited time of the next two movies, Kelly's character being involved with him (which is almost confirmed), and Rey friendzoning him at the end of TFA - I don't think that Rey and Finn could possibly be the end game in the sequels.

To be honest I'am bit of afraid of another thing: Of all the lately: "how cool it is to have a strong, independant woman who does not need a romance!" popular opinions. (see: Jyn Erso in R1).
Which is IMO total BS.
@Darth_Awakened

That is exactly my fear as well....that in their bid to give every faction of the audience a little of what they want, they decide to redeem Kylo and make him a hero to please some fans, have a Finn-Tran romance to please others (and cover the strong woman romance there) but decide to not have a romance for Rey (to avoid shipping backlash from any side i.e. the reywalkers, finnreys, the Luke didn't have a romance why should Rey crowd, the jedi order are monks brigade, etc).. that is one of the reasons I've set my expectations a bit lower than they initially used to be. Sad
@panki

Actually I don't see  they have "what some fractions of fans" want attitude. I do believe that the main frame of the story was planned during the filming of TFA - so, the shipping or Reywalker crowd could not possibly influence the end games of characters.

But, yes, I'am afraid of Rey ending as a jedi monk- because she as such doesn't need a romance - and it seems to be very popular attitude among certain circles of people - viewing the particular outcome as progressive. (grrrr....)

On the other more optimistic hand -  such outcome pretty much suggests the end of Skywalkers - because if there would be a future Skymum -it could be only Rey. I'am not seeing another female character being introduced to fill the gap as Kylo's romantic interest. And I really don't think they're going to "kill" the Skywalker faimily. It would make SW far more depressing than GOT. What a Face

Well, enough of pessimistic thoughts for today
@Darth_Awakened

Actually this is true even if Reywalker happened- so all those people clamoring for 'Rey don't need no man' are effectively ending the Skywalker line.

@Saracene wrote:Personally, I'd like Rey to find a place and purpose in the world that's about bigger things than just family, husband etc. If the series simply end with Rey going off with Kylo into exile and being his wife, I'd feel let down to be honest, even if I wouldn't begrudge others enjoying this kind of ending. I wouldn't necessarily want her to become a total Jedi monk and renounce love and romance altogether though.
@Saracene

I think Rey will find that important place- as a side effect of finding her 'family'.  So far Rey doesn't want power or fame, she wants to help those she loves.  She wants belonging.  And that isn't just some small thing.

So her going off with a husband at the end, if that happens, would be perfectly fine with me because that is what she wants.  Belonging.  And what is belonging but being with the person of your choice?

She will have that, plus I am sure she will be a galactic hero/powerful force weirder (partly because she already is) in addition.
@Moonjump05

Exactly,I would be fine with that ending as long as that is what Rey wants and it won't come out of nowhere or be OOC either since her seeing family and her connection with Kylo have already beeing forshadowed in TFA.Now if they go all Jedi on Rey for me they would be deuhimaizing ehr just for the sake of her being a ''strong''woman.


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