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Post by EchoBase on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 1:17 pm

https://twitter.com/germanjedi/status/910894606207848448

So, is this how Kylo find Rey on Ahch-to or is this the tracker the empire once put on the MF?
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 1:29 pm

@EchoBase wrote:https://twitter.com/germanjedi/status/910894606207848448

So, is this how Kylo find Rey on Ahch-to or is this the tracker the empire once put on the MF?
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Could be either, I suppose. Remember, Han was worried about a tracker, so that's why he wanted to swap the ship out for a clean one on Takodona.
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Post by Night Huntress on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 1:32 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:https://twitter.com/germanjedi/status/910894606207848448

So, is this how Kylo find Rey on Ahch-to or is this the tracker the empire once put on the MF?
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Could be either, I suppose. Remember, Han was worried about a tracker, so that's why he wanted to swap the ship out for a clean one on Takodona.
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And they (Leia / the Resistance guys) didn't think about checking the Falcon for a tracker before sending Rey to Ahch-to???? Confus

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 1:34 pm

@Night Huntress wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:https://twitter.com/germanjedi/status/910894606207848448

So, is this how Kylo find Rey on Ahch-to or is this the tracker the empire once put on the MF?
@EchoBase

Could be either, I suppose. Remember, Han was worried about a tracker, so that's why he wanted to swap the ship out for a clean one on Takodona.
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And they (Leia / the Resistance guys) didn't think about checking the Falcon for a tracker before sending Rey to Ahch-to???? Confus

@Night Huntress

We have no idea what the context is for the FoD cartoon yet. My guess would be that it takes place post-Starkiller, but before Rey leaves for Ahch-To.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 1:37 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Night Huntress wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@EchoBase wrote:https://twitter.com/germanjedi/status/910894606207848448

So, is this how Kylo find Rey on Ahch-to or is this the tracker the empire once put on the MF?
@EchoBase

Could be either, I suppose. Remember, Han was worried about a tracker, so that's why he wanted to swap the ship out for a clean one on Takodona.
@ISeeAnIsland

And they (Leia / the Resistance guys) didn't think about checking the Falcon for a tracker before sending Rey to Ahch-to???? Confus

@Night Huntress

We have no idea what the context is for the FoD cartoon yet. My guess would be that it takes place post-Starkiller, but before Rey leaves for Ahch-To.
@ISeeAnIsland

It could also be pre-Starkiller - after all, Unkar followed them to Takodana.
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Post by Guest on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 3:47 pm

@vaderito wrote:It's a Generic Lego Hologram. Not a spoiler. It could stand in for virtually anyone. So the same one was Palaptaine's and now it's Kylo's.
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Some 3rd party seller had it listed as Palpatine (PH tweeted about it earlier today) but it's not him. Apparently, it's been said that there are holograms in TLJ and Snoke talks to a hologram of Hux at some point. http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-palpatine-rumor-is-false/

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Post by vaderito on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 3:50 pm

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:
@vaderito wrote:It's a Generic Lego Hologram. Not a spoiler. It could stand in for virtually anyone. So the same one was Palaptaine's and now it's Kylo's.
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Some 3rd party seller had it listed as Palpatine (PH tweeted about it earlier today) but it's not him. Apparently, it's been said that there are holograms in TLJ and Snoke talks to a hologram of Hux at some point. http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-palpatine-rumor-is-false/
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Possibly Hux on Crait. We know from Lego set that he leads the attack. Doubtful he was added as a fantasy scenario to sell more toys, lol.
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Post by panki on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 4:52 pm

Has anyone heard the audiobook preview of "From A Certain Point of View'? I heard that in one of the stories, Yoda was actually keen to train Leia and not Luke to become a jedi based on her temperament....but Obi-wan convinces him to train Luke instead (hence his reluctance to train Luke in ESB). I wonder if this decision had some long term repercussions.

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Post by Irina de France on Thu 21 Sep 2017, 4:55 pm

Yoda: "Train the Skywalker Son, I will not."
Obi-Wan: "But, Master Yoda..."
Yoda: "Human disasters, Skywalker men are."
Obi-Wan: "Well, ladies in that family certainly have a strange taste for human disasters."
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:20 am

@Irina de France wrote:Yoda: "Train the Skywalker Son, I will not."
Obi-Wan: "But, Master Yoda..."
Yoda: "Human disasters, Skywalker men are."
Obi-Wan: "Well, ladies in that family certainly have a strange taste for human disasters."
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OMG it's so hilarious Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Post by Blackcanary on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 9:26 am

@panki wrote:Has anyone heard the audiobook preview of "From A Certain Point of View'? I heard that in one of the stories, Yoda was actually keen to train Leia and not Luke to become a jedi based on her temperament....but Obi-wan convinces him to train Luke instead (hence his reluctance to train Luke in ESB). I wonder if this decision had some long term repercussions.
@panki

Oh, that's fascinating. I've actually always thought Leia has a lot of her dad in her, temperament wise, which rather makes me question Yoda's judgement on that one...!

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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:21 am

@Blackcanary wrote:
@panki wrote:Has anyone heard the audiobook preview of "From A Certain Point of View'? I heard that in one of the stories, Yoda was actually keen to train Leia and not Luke to become a jedi based on her temperament....but Obi-wan convinces him to train Luke instead (hence his reluctance to train Luke in ESB). I wonder if this decision had some long term repercussions.
@panki

Oh, that's fascinating. I've actually always thought Leia has a lot of her dad in her, temperament wise, which rather makes me question Yoda's judgement on that one...!

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Maybe because although Leia has Anakin's temperament, she is worldly and mature like Padme at a young age. Leia has an awareness beyond her years, and if she knew she had the Force, you would bet on it that she would be very responsible with her abilities, and possibly even use it sparingly knowing the dangers of being corrupted.

Luke on the otherhand, has Padme's sweet temperament but Anakin's naivety and innocence being sheltered away from the conflict (while Leia grew up in a political world). Luke is the typical sweet summer child. He is excited and easily impressed. His emotions can easily be swayed (I am your father moment), and thus it means he might not have the control needed for a Jedi hero. While Anakin had a lot of fear that clouded his judgement, Luke is too trusting and guilible, and might not take betrayal and failure very well (look at Ben).

He pretty much believed Vader's paternal claim right away. If it were Leia, she'd spit on his face and go "yeah right".

Yoda probably wants Leia as a student because she's more disciplined and wise, while Luke is impatient and excited.
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Post by vaderito on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:25 am

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:  

Luke on the otherhand, has Padme's sweet temperament but Anakin's naivety and innocence being sheltered away from the conflict (while Leia grew up in a political world). Luke is the typical sweet summer child. He is excited and easily impressed. His emotions can easily be swayed (I am your father moment), and thus it means he might not have the control needed for a Jedi hero. While Anakin had a lot of fear that clouded his judgement, Luke is too trusting and guilible, and might not take betrayal and failure very well (look at Ben).

He pretty much believed Vader's paternal claim right away. If it were Leia, she'd spit on his face and go "yeah right".

Yoda probably wants Leia as a student because she's more disciplined and wise, while Luke is impatient and excited.
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Not so sure about bolded. Leia should have thrown Finn in the brig instead of just trusting his word that he innocently defected from FO especially since they likely knew that new Storm troopers were born, bread and programmed. The level of ridiculous amount of trust characters show in TFA is one of my biggest peeves with that movie. So that ruins her character, IMO. especially since it turned out that Finn was indeed lying about his motive to go to SKB and transparently so. Like, WTF Leia, Han, etc?

I just hate it when good characteruisation is thrown out of the window for the sake of forced insta friendships and weightless likability. I couldn't care for 90% of TFA characters because of that. They don't feel real, they all act out of character, and some are beyond repair.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:50 am

@vaderito wrote:
@Rei of Sunshine wrote:  

Luke on the otherhand, has Padme's sweet temperament but Anakin's naivety and innocence being sheltered away from the conflict (while Leia grew up in a political world). Luke is the typical sweet summer child. He is excited and easily impressed. His emotions can easily be swayed (I am your father moment), and thus it means he might not have the control needed for a Jedi hero. While Anakin had a lot of fear that clouded his judgement, Luke is too trusting and guilible, and might not take betrayal and failure very well (look at Ben).

He pretty much believed Vader's paternal claim right away. If it were Leia, she'd spit on his face and go "yeah right".

Yoda probably wants Leia as a student because she's more disciplined and wise, while Luke is impatient and excited.
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Not so sure about bolded. Leia should have thrown Finn in the brig instead of just trusting his word that he innocently defected from FO especially since they likely knew that new Storm troopers were born, bread and programmed. The level of ridiculous amount of trust characters show in TFA is one of my biggest peeves with that movie. So that ruins her character, IMO. especially since it turned out that Finn was indeed lying about his motive to go to SKB and transparently so. Like, WTF Leia, Han, etc?

I just hate it when good characteruisation is thrown out of the window for the sake of forced insta friendships and weightless likability. I couldn't care for 90% of TFA characters because of that. They don't feel real, they all act out of character, and some are beyond repair.
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Speaking within story characterization, I'm talking about 19 yr old Leia, while you're refering to 50 yr old Leia who's had her limits tested.
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Post by Mana on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:54 am

I seem to remember (it might have been in a book, I'm not sure) Leia believing that if she'd ever trained as a Jedi, between her and Luke, she would be more likely to fall to the dark side.
I could be totally wrong tho....
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Post by vaderito on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 10:54 am

@Rei of Sunshine true. That's what aging of characters does to me. I can never think of them as once young. They are old to me forever.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 11:32 am

@vaderito wrote:@Rei of Sunshine true. That's what aging of characters does to me. I can never think of them as once young. They are old to me forever.
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I do agree that Leia in TFA just felt like she got skimmed over, and Carrie's half hearted acting back then didn't help much. Although if she really is as desperate as they want to portray, being targeted by the FO and losing the NR, I guess she would've agreed with anyone willing enough to martyr themselves for the mission, hence she likes Finn right away.

But meh...
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Post by snufkin on Fri 22 Sep 2017, 12:02 pm

Two disparate thoughts that came out when I had TFA on in the background the other day while doing other stuff:

"There's still a piece missing" - Han's whole monologue is ironically the heart of the Force plot with the lines about "One Boy," last Jedi Temple, telling Rey essentially that like her, as a young man he thought it was all a fairy tale until he saw it come true (via the girl he fell in love with and the son they had together), et cetera. As the camera floats around the projected map and he inspects it, he says "there's still a piece missing." Which the camera comes around to Rey. She's the missing piece of the puzzle and unknowingly, the missing piece is about to be delivered by his father to "the other half" (director's words) in the next segment of the film.

"He thinks he's doing the right thing" - both DR and JB have said that they buy into the characterization that Kylo's gone bonkers because he thinks that his actions are driven by a higher purpose and the greater good. Which would fit in with the press quotes that Luke tried to groom Ben as the next Chosen One and every Space Hamlet monologue. Solo Jr. cracked like a show pony for reasons the filmmakers haven't shown yet, but he got handed that responsibility by Luke and it's driven him over the bend. And he may not have ever been the actual Chosen One, it may have been part of trying to keep up family appearances because they can't admit how grandpa actually fulfilled the prophecy.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 8:52 am

Yo, Americans! Are people on Reddit trolling or is there something coming up on Good Morning America soon? Some kind of a sneak peek, they said?
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 8:59 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:Yo, Americans! Are people on Reddit trolling or is there something coming up on Good Morning America soon? Some kind of a sneak peek, they said?
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Ah, false alarm. Apparently the big news was only that the film is finished.

I don't know where the sneak peek stuff came from.
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Post by snufkin on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:04 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:Yo, Americans! Are people on Reddit trolling or is there something coming up on Good Morning America soon? Some kind of a sneak peek, they said?
@Darth Dingbat

Ah, false alarm. Apparently the big news was only that the film is finished.

I don't know where the sneak peek stuff came from.
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I only ever watch the BBC world service so wrong Yank to ask. I am profoundly sorry that we won't have Round Two of Carrie Fisher trolling vacuous TV interviewers about double standards when it comes to aging and weight for women

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Post by Kylo Men on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:10 am

@snufkin wrote:
"He thinks he's doing the right thing" - both DR and JB have said that they buy into the characterization that Kylo's gone bonkers because he thinks that his actions are driven by a higher purpose and the greater good. Which would fit in with the press quotes that Luke tried to groom Ben as the next Chosen One and every Space Hamlet monologue. Solo Jr. cracked like a show pony for reasons the filmmakers haven't shown yet, but he got handed that responsibility by Luke and it's driven him over the bend. And he may not have ever been the actual Chosen One, it may have been part of trying to keep up family appearances because they can't admit how grandpa actually fulfilled the prophecy.
@snufkin

One thing I would like about the Space Hamlet monologue, especially if it's about liberty, would be that it isn't redeemed Kylo - it's maximum Kylo.

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Post by snufkin on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 11:29 am

@Kylo Men wrote:
@snufkin wrote:
"He thinks he's doing the right thing" - both DR and JB have said that they buy into the characterization that Kylo's gone bonkers because he thinks that his actions are driven by a higher purpose and the greater good. Which would fit in with the press quotes that Luke tried to groom Ben as the next Chosen One and every Space Hamlet monologue. Solo Jr. cracked like a show pony for reasons the filmmakers haven't shown yet, but he got handed that responsibility by Luke and it's driven him over the bend. And he may not have ever been the actual Chosen One, it may have been part of trying to keep up family appearances because they can't admit how grandpa actually fulfilled the prophecy.
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One thing I would like about the Space Hamlet monologue, especially if it's about liberty, would be that it isn't redeemed Kylo - it's maximum Kylo.  
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Hopefully we'll find out! Though my personal enjoyment of the character would go in the toilet if he turned out to be the Star Wars version of the guy who's read Ayn Rand and then never shuts up about it. He may or may not get redeemed if that were the case, definitely not getting laid.
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Post by SheLitAFire on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 12:10 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:Yo, Americans! Are people on Reddit trolling or is there something coming up on Good Morning America soon? Some kind of a sneak peek, they said?
@Darth Dingbat

Ah, false alarm. Apparently the big news was only that the film is finished.


I don't know where the sneak peek stuff came from.
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hahaha it goes along with the theme of American Media in general: everything is breaking news!!!!! Naw Sapristi Ehem
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Post by vaderito on Sat 23 Sep 2017, 8:12 pm

I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

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