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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 12:30 pm

@Kessel wrote:I still have a hard time believing Episode IX will be divided into two parts. It's always been a trilogy so it would be quite a departure from the norm. I have no problem with it being divided if it's good for the story though.

Anything is possible, but I guess we'll see if there's an official announcement. I assume they'd make an announcement some time after TLJ comes out, but before production for Episode IX really begins.
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It'll be announced sooner or later after TLJ for sure. Having a 4th movie in what normally is a trilogy is huge! You can imagine the love and hate pouring in from different sides of the fandom!

"Oh no! Disney you destroyed GL's Ring theory!"

"Oh yay! More Star Wars! It ain't over yet!"

I'm still sceptic about an Ep 10, story wise, I might've already headcanoned a 3 movie sequence in my head as to how Reylo will happen. But then again this is Disney. Same company who owns Marvel, which is still churning out movies year after year.

Disney probably won't stop until their Return of Investment reaches 10x that of what they spent buying Star Wars from George.
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Post by vaderito on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 12:34 pm

if LF wants to break away from the trilogy concept, split is the way to do it. Infinity War did the same. It was originally the end of the Avengers trilogy.
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Post by DarthRen on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 12:44 pm

Splitting movies is a smart business move and fairly usual in Hollywood movies. Purists will be against it but many will like it because if can fleshed out the story and characters even more.

If it means more organic Reylo and more interactions. Hell yeah they can do it.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 1:41 pm

What's interesting to me about the latest from Gansta Rap Dude is that he tends to either shoot down or corroborates other pieces of leaks on reddit. Whether he's just making things up or truly believes them, I think he's a poster to keep an eye on. (He's a huge proponent of Dark Luke and corroborated the bit about Finn in the casino from the other leak.)

We've got two weeks until the supposed trailer airs. Seeing how they've used social media in the past, I don't think it's a huge leap that LF might use the official Star Wars twitter or IG to tease an upcoming trailer. (Remember the one leaker who claimed that he'd seen animated gifs of shots from the trailer--who knows, maybe that's what that was for?) Of course, take it with a grain of salt, like we would all leaks, but I think the ramifications are pretty interesting if this leaker DOES have something.

As far as splitting IX into two movies, that seems to be the trend as of late with big franchises. After all of the director upheaval, I can see KK wanting to do that if it's the best thing for the story.
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Post by DarthRen on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 1:46 pm

Did Gangsta Rap Dude ever backed up any Kylo and Rey stuff?
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 1:49 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:What's interesting to me about the latest from Gansta Rap Dude is that he tends to either shoot down or corroborates other pieces of leaks on reddit. Whether he's just making things up or truly believes them, I think he's a poster to keep an eye on. (He's a huge proponent of Dark Luke and corroborated the bit about Finn in the casino from the other leak.)

We've got two weeks until the supposed trailer airs. Seeing how they've used social media in the past, I don't think it's a huge leap that LF might use the official Star Wars twitter or IG to tease an upcoming trailer. (Remember the one leaker who claimed that he'd seen animated gifs of shots from the trailer--who knows, maybe that's what that was for?) Of course, take it with a grain of salt, like we would all leaks, but I think the ramifications are pretty interesting if this leaker DOES have something.

As far as splitting IX into two movies, that seems to be the trend as of late with big franchises. After all of the director upheaval, I can see KK wanting to do that if it's the best thing for the story.
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I personally have no problems with IX being split into two movies, setting the question aside if you can still label this sequel of movies a trilogy.  I know we've discussed at length some of the revolutionary character arcs in GoT - part of the reason it works is because of the amount of screentime that's available.  If we can get more screen time for Kylo's development, along with his relationship with Rey, so be it!  I have no qualms with it at all.  Therefore, count me in as hoping this rumor is true.  

Right now we have very few credible sources other than Bothan Spy, who seems to have fallen off the face of the earth (if they've provided more info since the Exploding Hut rumor and I've missed it, please correct me).  The only way we'll know for sure is if we follow it.  I don't expect all of the rumors to be true that have come out.  At this point, probably 20 to 30% of them are on the mark.  Still, part of the fun is finding what was indeed true come December, so I say speculate away!
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Post by Irina de France on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 1:49 pm

I'm not big on the last part of a trilogy to be split in two parts - in some cases, it works since there is a lot to tell, but in a lot of cases the two-part finale is mostly an attempt to make even more money and adding tons of useless filler.

Sure, you could argue there's a lot to tell for the ST, but at the same time, saying that there's too short of time to tie up all ends... we haven't even seen TLJ yet. Sure, TFA is kind of scary about that aspect because of all its mystery boxes, but to tie up the main threads in three movies is feasible. They can't really answer everything either, because other trilogies are going to be made for sure.

And I can't say I'm big on the idea to have an Episode come out every two years? Six episodes of Rey and Kylo being like Will-They-Or-Will-They-Not is going to tire people. It works for a TV series, but not a movie. Even TV series have trouble with never-ending UST (X-Files, anyone?).Episode movies should be special. I'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of Star Wars becoming That Blockbuster That Comes Out at Christmas. They have to keep things fresh too.
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Post by vaderito on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:19 pm

@DarthRen wrote:Did Gangsta Rap Dude ever backed up any Kylo and Rey stuff?
@DarthRen

His theory is that they are destined to be Renperor and Reympress.

https://www.reddit.com/user/niggaitwastimefoanu1?sort=new&after=t1_dk9rdqr&count=25
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:23 pm

@vaderito wrote:
@DarthRen wrote:Did Gangsta Rap Dude ever backed up any Kylo and Rey stuff?
@DarthRen

His theory is that they are destined to be Renperor and Reympress.

https://www.reddit.com/user/niggaitwastimefoanu1?sort=new&after=t1_dk9rdqr&count=25
@vaderito

He might have had that as a crazy theory a while back, but he's never tried to pass that theory off as a leak or anything. At least, not that I've seen.
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Post by vaderito on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:26 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@DarthRen wrote:Did Gangsta Rap Dude ever backed up any Kylo and Rey stuff?
@DarthRen

His theory is that they are destined to be Renperor and Reympress.

https://www.reddit.com/user/niggaitwastimefoanu1?sort=new&after=t1_dk9rdqr&count=25
@vaderito

He might have had that as a crazy theory a while back, but he's never tried to pass that theory off as a leak or anything. At least, not that I've seen.
@ISeeAnIsland

No he hasn't tried to pass theories as leaks. he always say "my theory" when he theorizes. Such as this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/6f4e6q/inspired_by_robotical712s_post_my_standing_canon/

Worth the read.
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Post by rey09 on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:36 pm

I think trilogies should stay three movies (that's my OCD side)...but honestly, if that means reylo develops more and better, I am all for it!!!
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Post by DarthRen on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:46 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@DarthRen wrote:Did Gangsta Rap Dude ever backed up any Kylo and Rey stuff?
@DarthRen

His theory is that they are destined to be Renperor and Reympress.

https://www.reddit.com/user/niggaitwastimefoanu1?sort=new&after=t1_dk9rdqr&count=25
@vaderito

He might have had that as a crazy theory a while back, but he's never tried to pass that theory off as a leak or anything. At least, not that I've seen.
@ISeeAnIsland

He said that Luke falling on his knees is from future, not past. Pass it on like a fact or spoiler. Vision what could happen when Kylo and Rey rules Galaxy with iron fist. And that's why he killed her parents and yet Ben turned to the Dark Side anyway and again Luke didn't stopped visions he saw.

Interesting idea but probably unlikely.
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Post by Blood Moon on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:56 pm

I hope the gangsta rap guy is talking bullocks with the last episode split in 2! Tremorrow talked about  tying all 9 episodes together so LF changed their minds about it? I know CT is out and his words are vain now, but the thing with the saga is, it's  special because of these trilogies.

Yes I'm selfish  but just do it in a trilogie, do I have to wait until I'm really old for this story to finish? And I think I'm not alone (older fans) in this because it would feel like dragging this out. Not that LF/Disney would give a shite!  
You can tell a good story in 3 movies.

Maybe business-wise it makes sense but I don't know anything  about doing business and making money Wink
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Post by vaderito on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 2:59 pm

@Blood Moon wrote:I hope the gangsta rap guy is talking bullocks with the last episode split in 2! Tremorrow talked about  tying all 9 episodes together so LF changed their minds about it? I know CT is out and his words are vain now, but the thing with the saga is, it's  special because of these trilogies.

Yes I'm selfish  but just do it in a trilogie, do I have to wait until I'm really old for this story to finish? And I think I'm not alone (older fans) in this because it would feel like dragging this out. Not that LF/Disney would give a shite!  
You can tell a good story in 3 movies.

Maybe business-wise it makes sense but I don't know anything  about doing business and making money Wink
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well, he went from a Soloist ( 8-9 months ago) to Rey Palpatine (now). he did see RO early and his spoilers were legit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/5i2eg8/if_youve_seen_rogue_one_already_please_come/
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 3:39 pm

@rey09 wrote:I think trilogies should stay three movies (that's my OCD side)...but honestly, if that means reylo develops more and better, I am all for it!!!
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The way I look at it is pretty simple.  If I can have four movies instead of three starring my two lovelies, bring it on!  Laughing
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Post by Xylo Ren on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:26 pm

IX split into two parts means more Adam Driver, so that's a yes from me.

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Post by Guest on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:36 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
@rey09 wrote:I think trilogies should stay three movies (that's my OCD side)...but honestly, if that means reylo develops more and better, I am all for it!!!
@rey09

The way I look at it is pretty simple.  If I can have four movies instead of three starring my two lovelies, bring it on!  Laughing
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Right? After a long, mutli-decade dry spell of no Star Wars, we're suddenly getting it in spades. You won't hear a complaint out of me, especially if it means more delicious Reylo dynamics.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:41 pm

If they do split it, I wonder if it's a conclusion that they reached because resolving IX in a satisfying way became more difficult with Carrie's death.

Or maybe they realized that they went too far with Kylo killing Han for a good portion of the GA for Kylo to have a solid redemption arc not-ending-in-death by the end of a one-movie IX. (I personally hope that this isn't the case, and I am cautiously optimistic that we'll see some significant redemption progress by the end of TLJ.)
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Post by Piper Maru on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:43 pm

Sign me in for Episode IX being split in two.

Even though I dislike the current trend of studios splitting movies, I think in SW's case it's going to be a good thing: the sequel trilogy barely started and we already have dozens of plot points begging to be solved thanks to J.J.'s mystery boxes. More movies = more time to organize the narrative and give each character a satisfactory ending.
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Post by IoJovi on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:45 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:If they do split it, I wonder if it's a conclusion that they reached because resolving IX in a satisfying way became more difficult with Carrie's death.

Or maybe they realized that they went too far with Kylo killing Han for a good portion of the GA for Kylo to have a solid redemption arc not-ending-in-death by the end of a one-movie IX. (I personally hope that this isn't the case, and I am cautiously optimistic that we'll see some significant redemption progress by the end of TLJ.)
@ISeeAnIsland

If this is true (and that's still a big if, of course), I wonder if this was planned all along, or this was a recent development that grew out of JJ coming on board.  That news is only two weeks old, but we all know Colin was on his way out months before this.  Probably one of those things we'll have an answer to long after (X?) is completed...
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:45 pm

@Piper Maru wrote:Sign me in for Episode IX being split in two.

Even though I dislike the current trend of studios splitting movies, I think in SW's case it's going to be a good thing: the sequel trilogy barely started and we already have dozens of plot points begging to be solved thanks to J.J.'s mystery boxes. More movies = more time to organize the narrative and give each character a satisfactory ending.
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Right.

I also wonder if IX being split in two has anything to do with LF holding off officially announcing the Obi-wan spinoff or any other spinoff projects.  Episode IX, Part II would likely take the release spot that had originally been slated for a spinoff movie.
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Post by Saracene on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 4:58 pm

Call me cynical, but splitting the last film into two parts is rarely done for creative reasons, as much as filmmakers insist that "it's all about the story".

I guess the good thing in this case is that the ST is not based on an existing material, so it might not necessarily come down to dragging things out and padding the film with filler.
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Post by Tex on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 5:07 pm

@IoJovi wrote: I personally have no problems with IX being split into two movies, setting the question aside if you can still label this sequel of movies a trilogy.  I know we've discussed at length some of the revolutionary character arcs in GoT - part of the reason it works is because of the amount of screentime that's available.  If we can get more screen time for Kylo's development, along with his relationship with Rey, so be it!  I have no qualms with it at all.  Therefore, count me in as hoping this rumor is true.  

I wouldn't mind them spiting IX into two movies, I'm all for character development, but I'd rather them just go ahead an announce episode X as part of this current series if they do it. I don't want episode IX part 1 and then part 2. So I guess we'd have to start calling it the sequel tetralogy? Razz

Also another downfall of having IX not be the last part is that JJ could throw some more mystery box stuff at us. No sure if I'm ready for that again lol. Another thought that comes to mind, Are the actors willing to come back? I wouldn't think they signed contracts for more than three films, but who knows? Maybe Disney/LF made them sign for four films just in case they wanted to bring them back for another project?
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 5:10 pm

@Tex wrote:
@IoJovi wrote: I personally have no problems with IX being split into two movies, setting the question aside if you can still label this sequel of movies a trilogy.  I know we've discussed at length some of the revolutionary character arcs in GoT - part of the reason it works is because of the amount of screentime that's available.  If we can get more screen time for Kylo's development, along with his relationship with Rey, so be it!  I have no qualms with it at all.  Therefore, count me in as hoping this rumor is true.  

I wouldn't mind them spiting IX into two movies, I'm all for character development, but I'd rather them just go ahead an announce episode X as part of this current series if they do it. I don't want episode IX part 1 and then part 2. So I guess we'd have to start calling it the sequel tetralogy? Razz

Also another downfall of having IX not be the last part is that JJ could throw some more mystery box stuff at us. No sure if I'm ready for that again lol. Another thought that comes to mind, Are the actors willing to come back? I wouldn't think they signed contracts for more than three films, but who knows? Maybe Disney/LF made them sign for four films just in case they wanted to bring them back for another project?
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I would guess that there's probably some contract re-negotiation that will need to take place if they split the movie (unless that scenario was already listed as a contingency in everyone's contracts).

If they do Episode IX, parts 1 @ 2, I'd guess that they shoot the whole thing at once and keep JJ at the helm for both parts. They'd simply release Part 2 one year after Part 1.
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Post by Tex on Tue 26 Sep 2017, 5:26 pm

@Saracene wrote:Call me cynical, but splitting the last film into two parts is rarely done for creative reasons, as much as filmmakers insist that "it's all about the story".

I guess the good thing in this case is that the ST is not based on an existing material, so it might not necessarily come down to dragging things out and padding the film with filler.
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Case in point the Hobbit trilogy. So bloated and padded with unnecessary things. The story gets lost completely. The studio saw money and stretched that out. It's definitely a realistic concern. I would love more movies, but not at the cost of a solid and concise story.

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:I would guess that there's probably some contract re-negotiation that will need to take place if they split the movie (unless that scenario was already listed as a contingency in everyone's contracts).

If they do Episode IX, parts 1 @ 2, I'd guess that they shoot the whole thing at once and keep JJ at the helm for both parts. They'd simply release Part 2 one year after Part 1.

Hmm it's very possible they shoot all at once. Mostly, I don't want a Part I and Part II sitting on my movie shelf. I'd rather it be episode IX and then X, but I'm just being needlessly picky lol
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