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Post by Kylo Men on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 12:07 am

@DarthRen wrote:Well, this is in the light of the trailer very interesting. If there is any trth to dynamic of Luke and Snoke, this is shaping up to be very interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/75h7jd/this_leaker_was_right_about_snokerey/

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Luke and Snoke are the same person?

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Post by panki on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 12:22 am

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
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@ISeeAnIsland wrote:If Snoke is sort of siphoning something off from Luke or some sort of manifestation of Luke's dark side, that could explain why Snoke was more adamant about having the map destroyed (so that no one could find Luke), rather than wanting to actually take possession of the map and destroy Luke himself. Maybe Snoke can't survive without Luke in some way?
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Luke always say Anakin and Vader as two different people. Maybe Luke did not want to repeat his father's mistakes when he grew powerful, and found some way to separate his light and dark side? So Luke is the flame and Snoke is its shadow.
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Oooohhh, I forgot about that part in Bloodline where he sees Anakin and Vader as two different people. That was one of the red flags that all was not well with Luke. If he *chose* to separate his dark and light sides, that would be the ultimate form of smashing down his shadow ... and a totally wrong way of going about things.  But what would he know? Yoda and Obi-Wan we're always about killing the darkness. Because Vader died, Luke never saw what "coming back from the dark side" really entailed. I got to think that Vader wouldn't have suddenly turned into the GFFA version of Bob Hope. Very Happy
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Not an exact parallel but this reminds me of the movie The Forbidden Kingdom, where the monkey king is a playful and funny character who is able to make copies of himself that acted independently. One of these aspects is the Silent Monk, a mostly serious character who is very different from the original.





Similarly if Luke split himself (or the imperials found a way to split him) after the events on Endor, maybe the Snoke side of him was weak and began was feeding off Ben Solo from the very beginning?
It could explain why pregnant Leia could not contact him through the force before the battle of Jakku and had that scary force vision instead. This could potentially absolve Luke to some extent as well because maybe the good side of Luke had no idea this was going on until it was too late.


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Post by snufkin on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 12:24 am

@SoloSideCousin wrote:Oooohhh, I forgot about that part in Bloodline where he sees Anakin and Vader as two different people. That was one of the red flags that all was not well with Luke. If he *chose* to separate his dark and light sides, that would be the ultimate form of smashing down his shadow ... and a totally wrong way of going about things. But what would he know? Yoda and Obi-Wan we're always about killing the darkness. Because Vader died, Luke never saw what "coming back from the dark side" really entailed. I got to think that Vader wouldn't have suddenly turned into the GFFA version of Bob Hope.

@SoloSideCousin - Luke's engaging in some magical thinking about dear departed dad was my biggest takeaway from Bloodline. Curious as Hell if that's going to be explored at all in TLJ. Also isn't it interested reading the "I want him to go bad, they already did redemption, that would be boring. He should go full bad and then diiiie" comments floating around? Because the OT took the easy way out having Vader die without facing the consdequences of his actions. Like just imagine having to face Leia as his daughter after everything that he did to her and her husband? And we know that Kasdan proposed a scenario where Vader survives and he and Luke go off together like Ronin samurai to walk the peaceful path. Which maybe is your Outer Rim warlord dream scenario.
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Post by vaderito on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 8:40 pm

This is a random post on Reddit in the thread about Legends of Luke Skywalker, doesn't seem like he's making sith up:

Some of this touches (thematically) on stuff leaked, anonymously, on 4chan. The trailer seemed to reinforce the validity of it, too, imo.

In this post: Droid revolution. In the leak, the resistance hears about a planet full of sentient droids. Many from clone war era. Armies. Resistance is interested in recruiting them in the leak and promises to respect their autonomy. Iirc this doesn't go to plan according to the leaker, but it's still a major point in the film allegedly.
General/trailer: Rey and Ren teaming up. Specifically Ren possibly turning good. There was also some other material (referenced elsewhere on this sub and mentioned in the leak) about his tie silencer having an ejector seat, and the leak said he'd use that after blowing up one of Smokes mega weapons at the end of the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/user/Razvedka

I don't remember 4chan leak he's referencing. Anyone?

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Post by Kylo Men on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 8:45 pm

@vaderito wrote:This is a random post on Reddit in the thread about Legends of Luke Skywalker, doesn't seem like he's making sith up:

Some of this touches (thematically) on stuff leaked, anonymously, on 4chan. The trailer seemed to reinforce the validity of it, too, imo.

In this post: Droid revolution. In the leak, the resistance hears about a planet full of sentient droids. Many from clone war era. Armies. Resistance is interested in recruiting them in the leak and promises to respect their autonomy. Iirc this doesn't go to plan according to the leaker, but it's still a major point in the film allegedly.
General/trailer: Rey and Ren teaming up. Specifically Ren possibly turning good. There was also some other material (referenced elsewhere on this sub and mentioned in the leak) about his tie silencer having an ejector seat, and the leak said he'd use that after blowing up one of Smokes mega weapons at the end of the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/user/Razvedka

I don't remember 4chan leak he's referencing. Anyone?

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Yeah, very recent.

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Post by vaderito on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 8:48 pm

@Kylo Men wrote:

Yeah, very recent.
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Post by Moonlight13 on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 9:04 pm

@vaderito wrote:This is a random post on Reddit in the thread about Legends of Luke Skywalker, doesn't seem like he's making sith up:

Some of this touches (thematically) on stuff leaked, anonymously, on 4chan. The trailer seemed to reinforce the validity of it, too, imo.

In this post: Droid revolution. In the leak, the resistance hears about a planet full of sentient droids. Many from clone war era. Armies. Resistance is interested in recruiting them in the leak and promises to respect their autonomy. Iirc this doesn't go to plan according to the leaker, but it's still a major point in the film allegedly.
General/trailer: Rey and Ren teaming up. Specifically Ren possibly turning good. There was also some other material (referenced elsewhere on this sub and mentioned in the leak) about his tie silencer having an ejector seat, and the leak said he'd use that after blowing up one of Smokes mega weapons at the end of the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/user/Razvedka

I don't remember 4chan leak he's referencing. Anyone?

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I think I found the link:
http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/88342256/the-last-jedi-leak-sick-of-the-fake-bs-ama-and
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Post by bashfulblueeyes3 on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 9:12 pm

If that is Kregandyong, that guy is fake. He admitted that he did is for a purpose. He name is Colin C or something like that on Reddit. I see him post a lot on Star Wars Speculation and admitted that he make it up.

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Post by Birdwoman on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 9:40 pm

I have been waiting for the new crack spoilers....hahahaha! I figure this is the beginning of the crack....

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Post by Kylo Men on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:03 pm

Was that the one with Stalker!Finn sneaking on board the Falcon to follow Rey? Yeah, it wouldn't be surprising to find out that one was fake.

The ending was pretty awesome, though.

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Post by snufkin on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:16 pm

The "raw power" in the Force for both of them discussion, was it a Reddit 'spoiler' that supposedly her parents were affiliated with the FO and went on the run to hide her on Jakku when her powers started to manifest and got killed for their trouble. Am I remembering that spoiler right? Because that explanation would work for why she's been stuck there for 15 years, her parents have disappeared, and is crazy powerful in the Force once she leaves there and runs into Kylo.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:27 pm

@vaderito wrote:This is a random post on Reddit in the thread about Legends of Luke Skywalker, doesn't seem like he's making sith up:

Some of this touches (thematically) on stuff leaked, anonymously, on 4chan. The trailer seemed to reinforce the validity of it, too, imo.

In this post: Droid revolution. In the leak, the resistance hears about a planet full of sentient droids. Many from clone war era. Armies. Resistance is interested in recruiting them in the leak and promises to respect their autonomy. Iirc this doesn't go to plan according to the leaker, but it's still a major point in the film allegedly.
General/trailer: Rey and Ren teaming up. Specifically Ren possibly turning good. There was also some other material (referenced elsewhere on this sub and mentioned in the leak) about his tie silencer having an ejector seat, and the leak said he'd use that after blowing up one of Smokes mega weapons at the end of the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/user/Razvedka

I don't remember 4chan leak he's referencing. Anyone?

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I think that's the one where Kylo does a Randy Quaid Independence Day move and is flying unconscious in his ejector seat in space past Rey and Finn. It is very recent.
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Post by Kylo Men on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:35 pm

@snufkin wrote:The "raw power" in the Force for both of them discussion, was it a Reddit 'spoiler' that supposedly her parents were affiliated with the FO and went on the run to hide her on Jakku when her powers started to manifest and got killed for their trouble. Am I remembering that spoiler right? Because that explanation would work for why she's been stuck there for 15 years, her parents have disappeared, and is crazy powerful in the Force once she leaves there and runs into Kylo.
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With a slice of fighting, kissing and monologuing for the ages. All with a possible confirmation by a dude who correctly predicted the 10 second teasers that ran Sunday.

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Post by SheLitAFire on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:43 pm

Guys, Snoke is THIS guy. Ugh finally the mystery is solved. Laughing


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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:43 pm

@Kylo Men wrote:
@snufkin wrote:The "raw power" in the Force for both of them discussion, was it a Reddit 'spoiler' that supposedly her parents were affiliated with the FO and went on the run to hide her on Jakku when her powers started to manifest and got killed for their trouble. Am I remembering that spoiler right? Because that explanation would work for why she's been stuck there for 15 years, her parents have disappeared, and is crazy powerful in the Force once she leaves there and runs into Kylo.
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With a slice of fighting, kissing and monologuing for the ages. All with a possible confirmation by a dude who correctly predicted the 10 second teasers that ran Sunday.
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And Finn wins big at the casino!

Yup, that was the parentage theory given by the /u/lookwatchumademedo guy and corroborated by the Gangsta Rap Guy.
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Post by snufkin on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:53 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Kylo Men wrote:
@snufkin wrote:The "raw power" in the Force for both of them discussion, was it a Reddit 'spoiler' that supposedly her parents were affiliated with the FO and went on the run to hide her on Jakku when her powers started to manifest and got killed for their trouble. Am I remembering that spoiler right? Because that explanation would work for why she's been stuck there for 15 years, her parents have disappeared, and is crazy powerful in the Force once she leaves there and runs into Kylo.
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With a slice of fighting, kissing and monologuing for the ages. All with a possible confirmation by a dude who correctly predicted the 10 second teasers that ran Sunday.
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And Finn wins big at the casino!

Yup, that was the parentage theory given by the /u/lookwatchumademedo guy and corroborated by the Gangsta Rap Guy.

@ISeeAnIsland @Kylo Men

In that case, I am S-M-R-T because I had two conclusions after my first viewing of TFA. #1 was that he was really into her and that the two of them would have a central relationship around the Force plot which turns into personal interests. #2 was that her exile on Jakku and her parents' disappearance are connected to her Force powers and the Snoke/FO backstory. That her parents were trying to get her off the grid to protect her, forced into desperate enough circumstances to leave her with Plutt, and die in the process. That's why Maz tells her they're never coming back, they can't because they were killed trying to protect her. It's also another hook to get Ben to finally have the courage to break with Snoke, he can stand how his life was f**ked up because he's insecure. But likely wouldn't stand for something like that to happen to her.

The only thing I think is off about that spoiler is saying her parents were a servant and a stormtrooper because that sounds a little bit like how Hux's mother was a kitchen maid. Are stormtroopers allowed to date, let alone get somebody knocked up? Why be a servant if you're Force Sensitive (it said it was her mother, right?)? Do they have maternity leave in the First Order. It *would* fit with the ideas around how the rumored tragic YA love story potential film could be about her parents.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:58 pm

@snufkin wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Kylo Men wrote:
@snufkin wrote:The "raw power" in the Force for both of them discussion, was it a Reddit 'spoiler' that supposedly her parents were affiliated with the FO and went on the run to hide her on Jakku when her powers started to manifest and got killed for their trouble. Am I remembering that spoiler right? Because that explanation would work for why she's been stuck there for 15 years, her parents have disappeared, and is crazy powerful in the Force once she leaves there and runs into Kylo.
@snufkin


With a slice of fighting, kissing and monologuing for the ages. All with a possible confirmation by a dude who correctly predicted the 10 second teasers that ran Sunday.
@Kylo Men

And Finn wins big at the casino!

Yup, that was the parentage theory given by the /u/lookwatchumademedo guy and corroborated by the Gangsta Rap Guy.

@ISeeAnIsland @Kylo Men

In that case, I am S-M-R-T because I had two conclusions after my first viewing of TFA. #1 was that he was really into her and that the two of them would have a central relationship around the Force plot which turns into personal interests. #2 was that her exile on Jakku and her parents' disappearance are connected to her Force powers and the Snoke/FO backstory. That her parents were trying to get her off the grid to protect her, forced into desperate enough circumstances to leave her with Plutt, and die in the process. That's why Maz tells her they're never coming back, they can't because they were killed trying to protect her. It's also another hook to get Ben to finally have the courage to break with Snoke, he can stand how his life was f**ked up because he's insecure. But likely wouldn't stand for something like that to happen to her.

The only thing I think is off about that spoiler is saying her parents were a servant and a stormtrooper because that sounds a little bit like how Hux's mother was a kitchen maid. Are stormtroopers allowed to date, let alone get somebody knocked up? Why be a servant if you're Force Sensitive (it said it was her mother, right?)? Do they have maternity leave in the First Order. It *would* fit with the ideas around how the rumored tragic YA love story potential film could be about her parents.
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According to Gangsta Rap Guy, there's more to Rey's parentage than that, but the OP didn't state anything that was incorrect.

On a related note, I started digging through some of the more recent "crack"/reddit spoilers, and have run across one (I believe there are more) where the poster states that Luke doesn't train Rey at all:

https://www.reddit.com/user/HouseBlackAdder
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Post by snufkin on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 12:03 am

@ISeeanIsland - yeah the only part I found odd was would be that her parents are proles for the First Order. That part just seemed a little too lifted from Empire's End for Hux's mother. And you know that there will be a tie-in novel. They have to be somewhat interesting people to write about considering how much backstory/character they came up with for Jyn's mother in the tie-in novel. And she gets killed off in the first 10 minutes.

Another thing is that maybe if the Snoke v/o is actually to Rey, then that's why her parents fled with her. The FO assumes the entire family is killed or if they leave her on Jakku for safe keeping and intercepted/executed elsewhere. Meaning she's been a fugitive for a lot longer than just when she fled Jakku. But no Tiny Rey, so Snoke turns his full attention on Ben, who's 13-15 years old. Possibly that's when Leia sent him away to Luke. If Snoke did know of Rey before, that would fit with the mirroring scene with the Emperor and Vader in ESB. Which Kasdan wrote both scenes so he knows what the references and meanings/subtext being referenced. The Emperor knows who this kid is and already has plans. Snoke is blah blah blah The Awakening, oh a super powerful girl you say? He may have thought she was killed with her parents or they gave up looking after killing the parents (who didn't give up her location). But he's bullshitting Kylo about her.  And the leaving behind fits in with the fairy tale motifs because that's Snow White or Hansel and Gretel, lost and abandoned children. Or like Moses being put in an ark in the bulrushes by the riverbank.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 12:22 am

I managed to dig up the original "Finn in the casino" post leak. Maybe the guy does know some things, but some of the things in this AMA have been debunked by the trailer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/70cqzo/ive_seen_the_last_jedi_ama/#bottom-comments

If you scroll to the bottom, he says that Snoke doesn't use any power on anyone, we now know that's not the case.
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Post by DarthRen on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 2:07 am

@Kylo Men wrote:Was that the one with Stalker!Finn sneaking on board the Falcon to follow Rey? Yeah, it wouldn't be surprising to find out that one was fake.

The ending was pretty awesome, though.
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Different. That UWillRememberMeDec15 and might've guessed some things correctly.
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Post by vaderito on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 5:54 am

@SoloSideCousin wrote:

I think that's the one where Kylo does a Randy Quaid Independence Day move and is flying unconscious in his ejector seat in space past Rey and Finn. It is very recent.
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Yes, that's the one! I've never heard this one before so I need a link to it. There's something about it that intrigues me. It doesn't follow the typical faker pattern.

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Post by DarthRen on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 6:10 am

@vaderito wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:

I think that's the one where Kylo does a Randy Quaid Independence Day move and is flying unconscious in his ejector seat in space past Rey and Finn. It is very recent.
@SoloSideCousin

Yes, that's the one! I've never heard this one before so I need a link to it. There's something about it that intrigues me. It doesn't follow the typical faker pattern.

@vaderito

You mean this. https://imgur.com/6LkTsrg

But it's a made up from that redditor.
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Post by vaderito on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 7:49 am

@DarthRen wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:

I think that's the one where Kylo does a Randy Quaid Independence Day move and is flying unconscious in his ejector seat in space past Rey and Finn. It is very recent.
@SoloSideCousin

Yes, that's the one! I've never heard this one before so I need a link to it. There's something about it that intrigues me. It doesn't follow the typical faker pattern.

@vaderito

You mean this. https://imgur.com/6LkTsrg

But it's a made up from that redditor.
@DarthRen

yeah, that one is made up. I didn't read to the end cause I detected fakeness in the beginning. That's why I didn't get to other stuff that actually sounded interesting (though it's fake).
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Post by vaderito on Thu 12 Oct 2017, 7:50 am

@DarthRen wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@SoloSideCousin wrote:

I think that's the one where Kylo does a Randy Quaid Independence Day move and is flying unconscious in his ejector seat in space past Rey and Finn. It is very recent.
@SoloSideCousin

Yes, that's the one! I've never heard this one before so I need a link to it. There's something about it that intrigues me. It doesn't follow the typical faker pattern.

@vaderito

You mean this. https://imgur.com/6LkTsrg

But it's a made up from that redditor.
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yeah, that one is made up. I didn't read to the end cause I detected fakeness in the beginning. That's why I didn't get to other stuff that actually sounded interesting (though it's fake).
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