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Post by Darth Dingbat on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:21 pm

@vaderito wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:It looks to me Adam was comparing the hidden princess to Kylo Ren.

But obviously Pablo didn't have a clue about it.

lol!
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Bahahahhaha! Pablo pwn'd by Adam (whom Pablo doesn't like anyway).

@nonesuch scanned the magazine but it's too small for me to read. Anyone with better eyes?

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Open the pictures separately; they're quite large IMO.
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:23 pm

"It was all about story and character and playing someone who doesn't have it all together. Making him as human as possible seemed dangerous and exciting to me. [...] I remember the initial conversations about having things 'skinned'. Peeling away layers to evolve into other people, and the person Kylo's pretending to be on the outside is not who he is. He's a vulnerable kid who doesn't know where to put his energy, but when he puts his mask on, suddenly he's playinga role. JJ had that idea initially and I think Rian took it to the next level." - Adam

"Adam was always pushing the context of the character. He's put in this unhealthy environment and goes through the worst of youth, the selfishness and volatility, he's representing that side of adolescence." - Rian Johnson

"It makes complete sense how juvenile he can be. You can see that with our leadership and politics. You have world leaders who you imagine--or hope and pray--are living by kind of a higher code of ethics. But it really comes down to them feeling wronged or unloved or wanting validation. [...] We talked about terrorism a lot. You have young and deeply committed people with one-sided education who think in absolutes. That is more dangerous than being evil. Kylo thinks what he's doing is entirely right, and that, in my mind, is the scariest part." - Adam
Adam confirms my theory that Kylo was based on radicalized youths. I don't think anyone's ever directly stated it before. Cool
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Post by ZioRen on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:38 pm

@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
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I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:40 pm

@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
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I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen
He took his opportunity to run with the clickbait in order to attract more readers to the article. It seems like a calculated move to me. It sucks, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It's both annoyingly stupid and smart at the same time because he got everybody talking over what was actually just a reference to The Hidden Fortress.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:42 pm

@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen

That's why I didn't believe it was Adam's slip.

It's just not something he would say so carelessly with the NDA and all that, what with the movie so close.

Turns out it was a slip, in a way that he wasn't able to elaborate the context of 'princess'. And a lapse in judgement of the writer.
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Post by Cowgirlsamurai on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:47 pm

@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen

Exactly. He dodges everything, but then while making an analogy between an old movie and the sequel trilogy let's the bomb drop that Rey's royalty and hiding it from everyone? Doesn't add up at all Neutral

And I think Pablo avoiding the topic until the article comes out is in character for him scratch
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Post by ZioRen on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:51 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:
@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen

That's why I didn't believe it was Adam's slip.

It's just not something he would say so carelessly with the NDA and all that, what with the movie so close.

Turns out it was a slip, in a way that he wasn't able to elaborate the context of 'princess'. And a lapse in judgement of the writer.
@Rei of Sunshine

In that same article he only grudgingly admitted that he and Daisy spent time together at all, let alone drop a big spoiler about Rey's origin. Laughing Laughing
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:58 pm

@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen

Exactly. He dodges everything, but then while making an analogy between an old movie and the sequel trilogy let's the bomb drop that Rey's royalty and hiding it from everyone? Doesn't add up at all Neutral

And I think Pablo avoiding the topic until the article comes out is in character for him scratch
@Cowgirlsamurai
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Maybe because the nature of the comment was unclear to Pablo and he could not clarify because Rey may not be a "princess" or a "nobody" but someone in between. Confus
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Post by Atenais on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 12:59 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen
He took his opportunity to run with the clickbait in order to attract more readers to the article. It seems like a calculated move to me. It sucks, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It's both annoyingly stupid and smart at the same time because he got everybody talking over what was actually just a reference to The Hidden Fortress.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with you, IMO, he knew what he was doing. Unfortunately media works this way and clickbaits are more popular than ever.

Anyway, from what I see, everybody is starting to doubt that Adam was talking about Rey.

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Post by vaderito on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:03 pm

this is Kylo's female Alter Ago princess Yuki Akizuki:

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That quote! How could Rey resist?
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:04 pm

@Atenais wrote:
@FrolickingFizzgig wrote:
@ZioRen wrote:
@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:Ahh, breathing a sigh of relief. He's obviously talking about the princess in Hidden Fortress. I don't understand how the author of the article assumes it's Rey. Adam is not always the most eloquent, so it's kind of a strange quote, but I don't think he let anything slip with how tight lipped he was earlier in the conversation.
@Cowgirlsamurai

I find it weird that the author assumed Adam let a huge spoiler slip when earlier in the story he was JUST commenting on the fact that Adam has mastered evasion when it comes to Star Wars spoilers. Logically, why would he just let something that big slip later in the conversation?
@ZioRen
He took his opportunity to run with the clickbait in order to attract more readers to the article. It seems like a calculated move to me. It sucks, but he knew exactly what he was doing. It's both annoyingly stupid and smart at the same time because he got everybody talking over what was actually just a reference to The Hidden Fortress.
@FrolickingFizzgig

I agree with you, IMO, he knew what he was doing. Unfortunately media works this way and clickbaits are more popular than ever.

Anyway, from what I see, everybody is starting to doubt that Adam was talking about Rey.

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This is good. Media outlets gotta know when to clean up. It good too that they have the sense to look deeper into the article and what it actually meant.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:04 pm

@vaderito wrote:this is Kylo's female Alter Ago princess Yuki Akizuki:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 Hidden-fortress-heart

That quote! How could Rey resist?
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So he's Princess Snow (Yuki)... pair that up with your avatar. Very Happy

ETA: OMG it's canon. Kylo is Elsa
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Post by Kessel on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:05 pm

@vaderito wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:It looks to me Adam was comparing the hidden princess to Kylo Ren.

But obviously Pablo didn't have a clue about it.

lol!
@Darth_Awakened

Bahahahhaha! Pablo pwn'd by Adam (whom Pablo doesn't like anyway).

@nonesuch scanned the magazine but it's too small for me to read. Anyone with better eyes?

http://starwarsnonsense.tumblr.com/



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I was able to zoom in in it with my iPad and that made it easier to read. It's a good article. The author calls Adam "unconventionally handsome" Smile It touches on a lot of things like Adam's past, his personality and roles. There's a fair share of Kylo and SW talk, but Adam is very tight lipped. He didn't spoil anything.

There are also some interesting bits the author got from Rian. He made mention of one "emotionally charged" scene with several takes (where Adam kept grabbing the shoe of the guy holding the clapper, marking the scene). So we know Kylo gets at least one emotional scene, although I'm sure he'll get more than one of those. I felt like all of Kylo's scene in TFA were emotionally charged.

Adam also re-emphasized how Kylo believes what he is doing is right and the parallels with young radicalized extremists. Also, how Kylo represents certain aspects of adolescence.

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Post by Darth_Awakened on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:07 pm

@Kessel wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:It looks to me Adam was comparing the hidden princess to Kylo Ren.

But obviously Pablo didn't have a clue about it.

lol!
@Darth_Awakened

Bahahahhaha! Pablo pwn'd by Adam (whom Pablo doesn't like anyway).

@nonesuch scanned the magazine but it's too small for me to read. Anyone with better eyes?

http://starwarsnonsense.tumblr.com/



@vaderito

I was able to zoom in in it with my iPad and that made it easier to read. It's a good article. The author calls Adam "unconventionally handsome" Smile It touches on a lot of things like Adam's past, his personality and roles. There's a fair share of Kylo and SW talk, but Adam is very tight lipped. He didn't spoil anything.

There are also some interesting bits the author got from Rian. He made mention of one "emotionally charged" scene with several takes (where Adam kept grabbing the shoe of the guy holding the clapper, marking the scene). So we know Kylo gets at least one emotional scene, although I'm sure he'll get more than one of those. I felt like all of Kylo's scene in TFA were emotionally charged.

Adam also re-emphasized how Kylo believes what he is doing is right and the parallels with young radicalized extremists. Also, how Kylo represents certain aspects of adolescence.
@Kessel

He's probably on his knees or lying down on the floor during this scene.
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:08 pm

@Kessel wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:It looks to me Adam was comparing the hidden princess to Kylo Ren.

But obviously Pablo didn't have a clue about it.

lol!
@Darth_Awakened

Bahahahhaha! Pablo pwn'd by Adam (whom Pablo doesn't like anyway).

@nonesuch scanned the magazine but it's too small for me to read. Anyone with better eyes?

http://starwarsnonsense.tumblr.com/



@vaderito

I was able to zoom in in it with my iPad and that made it easier to read. It's a good article. The author calls Adam "unconventionally handsome" Smile It touches on a lot of things like Adam's past, his personality and roles. There's a fair share of Kylo and SW talk, but Adam is very tight lipped. He didn't spoil anything.

There are also some interesting bits the author got from Rian. He made mention of one "emotionally charged" scene with several takes (where Adam kept grabbing the shoe of the guy holding the clapper, marking the scene). So we know Kylo gets at least one emotional scene, although I'm sure he'll get more than one of those. I felt like all of Kylo's scene in TFA were emotionally charged.

Adam also re-emphasized how Kylo believes what he is doing is right and the parallels with young radicalized extremists. Also, how Kylo represents certain aspects of adolescence.
@Kessel

The part with the clapper and his shoe was interesting to me.

Does it mean that Kylo ends up on the floor in one scene? That's the closest you get to a shoe, i would think.

And is it so emotional and gut wrenching that they have to do it again and again?

And could it be that Adam attacks the clapper's shoe out of frustration for having to repeat the emotional turmoil again and again? Or he's doing that as a joke to balance out the intensity of the atmosphere?

So many questions. So many scenes I want to see on BTS!
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Post by vaderito on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:11 pm

@rei of Sunshine

Yuki = Snow? So all those visual similarities with Jon Snow weren't coincidental after all. Twisted Evil

More Yuki goodness:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 Hidden-fortress-princess-of-the-akizuki-clan

Hmmm. Ahcho-to?

Yuki uses her bamboo stick for flirting:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 The-hidden-fortress

Like Kylo used his saber in Takodana forest.

Yuki's "you know I can take whatever I want" face:

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Post by DarthRen on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:15 pm

@Darth_Awakened wrote:
@Kessel wrote:
@vaderito wrote:
@Darth_Awakened wrote:It looks to me Adam was comparing the hidden princess to Kylo Ren.

But obviously Pablo didn't have a clue about it.

lol!
@Darth_Awakened

Bahahahhaha! Pablo pwn'd by Adam (whom Pablo doesn't like anyway).

@nonesuch scanned the magazine but it's too small for me to read. Anyone with better eyes?

http://starwarsnonsense.tumblr.com/



@vaderito

I was able to zoom in in it with my iPad and that made it easier to read. It's a good article. The author calls Adam "unconventionally handsome" Smile It touches on a lot of things like Adam's past, his personality and roles. There's a fair share of Kylo and SW talk, but Adam is very tight lipped. He didn't spoil anything.

There are also some interesting bits the author got from Rian. He made mention of one "emotionally charged" scene with several takes (where Adam kept grabbing the shoe of the guy holding the clapper, marking the scene). So we know Kylo gets at least one emotional scene, although I'm sure he'll get more than one of those. I felt like all of Kylo's scene in TFA were emotionally charged.

Adam also re-emphasized how Kylo believes what he is doing is right and the parallels with young radicalized extremists. Also, how Kylo represents certain aspects of adolescence.
@Kessel

He's probably on his knees or lying down on the floor during this scene.
@Darth_Awakened

Hopefully not dying or another life threatening situation. Hope it's just bunch of the Porgs welcoming him at Ach-To. Laughing
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:23 pm

@vaderito wrote:@rei of Sunshine

Yuki = Snow? So all those visual similarities with Jon Snow weren't coincidental after all. Twisted Evil

More Yuki goodness:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 Hidden-fortress-princess-of-the-akizuki-clan

Hmmm. Ahcho-to?

Yuki uses her bamboo stick for flirting:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 The-hidden-fortress

Like Kylo used his saber in Takodana forest.

Yuki's "you know I can take whatever I want" face:

Interview Revelations:  "Hidden princess" and "the relationship between Rey and Kylo" and more golden quotes discussion - Page 17 Fortaleza_Escondida_04
@vaderito

As it happens, one of Rey's code names during the production of TFA was "Snow Girl". Razz
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Post by Kessel on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:25 pm

@Darth_Awakened and @Rei of Sunshine - I agree that the shoe grabbing incident sounds like Kylo was kneeling or lying on the floor during that particular scene. I wonder if it's a Snoke reprimand scene?

In regards to the author misunderstanding/misconstruing Adam's princess quote, I thought it was funny how Adam talks about comments being taken of of context, and then the author proceeds to do just that.

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Post by vaderito on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 1:31 pm

Kneeling Kylo? Duh:

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@Darth Dingbat Snow Girl, eh? She's Yuki, that's why Pablo choked. Twisted Evil

Snow:

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Snow Girl:

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Post by LesCousinsDangereux on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 2:10 pm

When I saw earlier today that it turns out Adam was referring to the Hidden Fortress, I breathed a huge sigh of relief...
So it was taken out of context, it is not a spoiler about Rey, and Adam is safe! Smile

I agree with what all of you are saying about the 'journalist' who wrote this. And I am quite angry at him because he caused me 24hrs of unnecessary panic ... But now all is good it seems. Smile

It also seems to me from what you have all been saying, that it is possible Pablo (and LFL) had not read (and pre-approved) the interview as it was written. So likely Pablo also had no context initially.
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Post by vaderito on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 2:12 pm

@LesCousinsDangereux wrote:When I saw earlier today that it turns out Adam was referring to the Hidden Fortress, I breathed a huge sigh of relief...
So it was taken out of context, it is not a spoiler about Rey, and Adam is safe! Smile

I agree with what all of you are saying about the 'journalist' who wrote this. And I am quite angry at him because he caused me 24hrs of unnecessary panic ... But now all is good it seems. Smile

It also seems to me from what you have all been saying, that it is possible Pablo (and LFL) had not read (and pre-approved) the interview as it was written. So likely Pablo also had no context initially.
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Panic about what? Princess Rey is a win for Rey Palpatine theory. Doesn't affect us.
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Post by EchoBase on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 2:22 pm

So after all, it turns out that Kylo is the (Disney) princess. Now, that's news to me Wink.
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Post by Forsythia on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 2:32 pm

@Rei of Sunshine wrote:The part with the clapper and his shoe was interesting to me.

Does it mean that Kylo ends up on the floor in one scene? That's the closest you get to a shoe, i would think.

And is it so emotional and gut wrenching that they have to do it again and again?
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Maybe Kylo has a fight with Luke and ends up on the floor. Or Kylo is throwing himself at Rey's (or Leia's) feet and begging for her forgiveness Smile  Or maybe Rey is hurt on the floor and Kylo is checking if she is alright (or vice versa). Or he is kneeling in front of Snoke or Rey or in front of Han's grave Crying or Very sad
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Post by LesCousinsDangereux on Wed 01 Nov 2017, 3:11 pm

@vaderito wrote:
@LesCousinsDangereux wrote:When I saw earlier today that it turns out Adam was referring to the Hidden Fortress, I breathed a huge sigh of relief...
So it was taken out of context, it is not a spoiler about Rey, and Adam is safe! Smile

I agree with what all of you are saying about the 'journalist' who wrote this. And I am quite angry at him because he caused me 24hrs of unnecessary panic ...  But now all is good it seems. Smile

It also seems to me from what you have all been saying, that it is possible Pablo (and LFL) had not read (and pre-approved) the interview as it was written. So likely Pablo also had no context initially.
@LesCousinsDangereux

Panic about what? Princess Rey is a win for Rey Palpatine theory. Doesn't affect us.
@vaderito

Panic about AD getting into trouble (because if Rey was indeed a Princess, it was defiintely not planned/approved by LFL to leak it like that 2 months before the movie comes out).

I am not at all worried about Reylo not happening  Smile I was confident since I came out of watching TFA. Though I confess the long wait with LFL keeping their cards so close to their chest for 2 years and constanly seeing comments by Anti-Reylos saying how this is unthinkable, made me have the tiniest of doubts. But since the teaser poster came out (with only Rey Kylo and Luke on it, confirming they are the main story here), my doubts disappeared. The only way I could be more certain, is if I could telepathetcially read KK's mind.  Smile
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