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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by SoloSideCousin on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 4:26 pm

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@snufkin wrote:Two things I'm curious to see if they'll take the time to address in conversations/confrontations:

1. The inevitable reunion between Rey and Ben, will she get pissed at him not just for how whole Supreme A**hole meltdown after the fight with the PG/Crait, but whether or not he killed Snoke to protect her or if it had to do with getting power. Part of his whole figuring his s**t out in IX has to be realizing that what mattered the most, in the end, was protecting somebody he loved. Especially after what happened with Han. Would that be part of him realizing that the whole power thing, if it means being like Snoke or Hux, isn't what it's cracked up to be.

they need to talk things out- desperately. It won't be easy...Ben master of evading and deflecting all conversations and Rey of Sunshine the princess of "shoot first talk later".  Rolling Eyes
I want a confession session- both of them finally talking about their feelings and motivations.
Because Ben believes she betrayed him or at least thought she only went to him because she wanted to turn him for the cause- not because she had a personal interest in him. I'm not sure what Rey believes at this point- because it's kept very ambiguous...but I imagine she thinks Ben choose power over her and I'm not sure she knows he killed Snoke mainly to protect her.

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2. Anything about the fight with Finn. I'm still surprised how Rey never even brought it up with him in the early Force Skype scenes and maybe once just asked Chewie to ask after him. It was otherwise just that she was personally angry at Ben for killing his father because of her own experience of being abandoned and b/c of their whole bond/empathy with one another, being disappointed/angry with him for doing something like that. Never mentioned Finn once, the same way they dropped the ball on his injuries being addressed other than the bacta suit gag.
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Yes, I agree- I'm hoping we'll get a confrontation between Ben & Finn personally in IX...would be great for tension and drama.
I feel there is unfinished business between the two of them.

I have to admit I was a little bit disappointed the injuries Rey inflicted on Ben weren't mentioned at all in TLJ. I hope we will get something about it in IX (scar touching! Mwehe )
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I think that that confessional session is going to start off as a yell fest, and then both of them will blurt out something nakedly real and true that will make both of them realize that they each have serious feelings for the other. Then the dynamic will change and they will be more trusting and vulnerable with each other.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Kylo Rey on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 6:55 am



I haven't seen much discussion on this quote from Rian but I think this is essentially a tacit confirmation that we still don't have the full story about what happened that night at Luke's temple. It's an interesting choice of words. That story still feels incredibly unfinished to me and actually, I think is one of the biggest obstacles to Kylo's redemption so far. The way that story thread has been structured so far, it's only natural to assume that the truth is even more complicated. In TFA, it was simply 'one boy destroyed it all' giving way to the impression that Ben betrayed Luke, in TLJ we find out that's not the case, and was in fact the reverse, the master betraying the Padawan. I think it's important that JJ clarifies this.

Btw, does anyone else think that LFL has been hiding a big pre-planned twist with regards to Ben Solo's backstory to reveal it in IX? I was disappointed with Ben's lack of backstory in TLJ, but I will admit that the Luke/Ben thing was a pretty big twist. The comments from Daniel Jose Older and Jason Fry (as well as Claudia Gray going further back), regarding Ben Solo and the refusal so far to explore his childhood/teens/early twenties in canon material makes me think this. It's an ongoing pattern. Or do you just think LFL is being extra for the sake of it lol?
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Piper Maru on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 7:28 am

What they gave us in TLJ is fine by me, but I do think there's a lot of deliberate vagueness in his backstory. I'd like to see the aftermath of the temple destruction and how Ben decided to go to Snoke.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Night Huntress on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 7:38 am

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yes, I totally agree. If Luke wanting to murder Ben (even just for a moment) was the only twist, why would LF still be so secretive about Ben's past?
Why would they be so tight lipped about every little detail (like Ben's exact age in the flashbacks). I don't want to read too much into it...but I have the feeling we still only know a small part of the much bigger picture.
Ben said to Rey "the night I destroyed his temple, did he tell you why?" interesting wording- and interesting how it seems to mean so much to him that Rey knows the truth. Why would he care? It's not like he makes excuses for him self for killing his own father (which is much worse imo).
We still don't know what happened after he crashed the hut on Luke & him. I know some people think he just had a dark moment and killed all his fellow students in rage like Anakin in AotC- but somehow I doubt it. He isn't even that ruthless after years under Snoke's training- I can't believe he would've just slaughtered all his fellow students who most likely had nothing to do with the incident. I mean Luke said to Rey he "sensed darkness in Ben during his training" - how did that looked like? And Snoke already had turned his heart? How? Only by whispering in his head mentally? Suspect
I think we miss a significant piece of the puzzle. My theory is that both- Luke & Ben had been deceived somehow.
When Luke looked into Ben's mind- what did he saw that he wanted to murder him on instinct? Without even talking to him first? I mean it was his own nephew, the son of his sister who (as far as we know) stayed with him for years- almost like his own kid. So why?
Like many of us noticed- even in TFA which is 6 years or so after what happened at Luke's temple Ben is still conflicted and feel the pull to the light. So we should believe 6 years before Snoke got him fully under his training he was so evil that Luke thought he was beyond saving AND killed all his students for no real reason? No way.

Luke said: "He had vanished with a handful of my students. And slaughtered the rest."

So, how exactly all that happened? Ben being like: "join me, or die?" I don't know. Doesn't seem right to me. Nope
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by BB-Rey on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 7:42 am

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I certainly do think so. I think something had to trigger him to show "too much Vader in him" and possibly something that made Han "weak and foolish" like not going to his son and trying to bring him back when he fell to the Dark Side in the first place to stop Snoke or whatever it might be. I think there's absolutely missing pieces within his backstory. One such piece also is rather the rain sequence in Rey's Vision is from the past or future. It could be critical for all we know.


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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by rey09 on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 8:26 am

Was randomly thinking as I got up from bed lol, not gonna happen but toward the end, Rey is given Leia's wedding dress in her closet and she wears it to their wedding and Ben is like dying inside from her beauty and big googly eyes.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Birdwoman on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 10:37 am

What are the chances that we will get force ghost Luke?
I have been perusing the internet Star Wars fandom sites and I see lots of people counting on Luke making an appearance in 9.
I am about 50/50 at this point with the force ghost Luke.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. I have not read all 31 pages.

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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Night Huntress on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 11:06 am

@Birdwoman wrote:What are the chances that we will get force ghost Luke?
I have been perusing the internet Star Wars fandom sites and I see lots of people counting on Luke making an appearance in 9.
I am about 50/50 at this point with the force ghost Luke.
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. I have not read all 31 pages.
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Don't worry - I guess we will discuss a few themes several times because the opinions will change when more news or potential leaks will be released.

So, I think he will appear - but in a much smaller role than some anticipated. I guess he will have a quick but impactful scene with (I hope ) Ben or Ben & Rey.



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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by nickandnora on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 11:43 am

Btw, does anyone else think that LFL has been hiding a big pre-planned twist with regards to Ben Solo's backstory to reveal it in IX? I was disappointed with Ben's lack of backstory in TLJ, but I will admit that the Luke/Ben thing was a pretty big twist. The comments from Daniel Jose Older and Jason Fry (as well as Claudia Gray going further back), regarding Ben Solo and the refusal so far to explore his childhood/teens/early twenties in canon material makes me think this. It's an ongoing pattern. Or do you just think LFL is being extra for the sake of it lol?
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I certainly do, because of the way they've structured the story. In addition to that, because of the way they've anchored both films to "that night" at Luke's temple, the crux of it has something more to do with what happened there I'd wager. In my mind it keeps coming back to "who killed the students and why?" because I don't think it was Ben.


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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by californiagirl on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 11:48 am

@Birdwoman I think the odds of FG Luke are high. Otherwise the last time he and Kylo see each other are when Kylo is Renperor and having a meltdown, attacking the Resistance and claiming he'll destroy "her and you and all of it". Not a great place for closure. But Luke was insisting, if in a roundabout way, Kylo's own redemption. I like to think he'll be more loving and supporting in his post-death state, and Kylo will be more humbled and open to Luke by this point.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by snufkin on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 1:53 pm

The deliberate vagueness is a hard one to figure out - are they keeping it vague because it could be potential plot points in future products where they want to mine that history? Like books, comics, stand-alone films, cartoons. Or have they had an idea that's been held off from IX for some reason? Which it's hard to say why they'd do that as both Luke and Snoke were at the center of TLJ and got offed, like going forward they're old news to the story, which is about Rey and Ben figuring out their respective paths and their relationship/conflict with each other.

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I think that that confessional session is going to start off as a yell fest, and then both of them will blurt out something nakedly real and true that will make both of them realize that they each have serious feelings for the other. Then the dynamic will change and they will be more trusting and vulnerable with each other.

Agreed on the yell-fest/something blunt and vulnerable going down. Same question again, will they even go there with what happened between him and Finn in his confrontations with Rey? Because she never brings it at all with him as part of her dirty secret of being interested/intrigued by Ben (she went to Ache-to ostensibly to collect Luke for the Resistance but she had a hidden agenda of wanting to find out the truth about her parents and about Ben).  But I went into TLJ at the very least expecting that part of her "you're gonna pay for what you did!" line was about how he beat up Finn, screwed up his back, and put him into a coma. And Finn did that coming to her defense. Like instead we just got one line asking Chewie to check in on him if he got into contact with the Resistance (I guess somebody else there besides Rey speaks Wookie) and then that hug. Like IDK about you, but if I were Finn after all of that, finding out she was off canoodling with the guy who did that to me, I'd be a little hurt to say the least. Although part of me wonders if this is just part of the larger issue the writers seem to have with coming up with him in the original Sam version as Rey/Kira's sidekick in the first film after realizing that being with Luke would overwhelm her introduction. So they come up with a best friend/comic relief sidekick and then "let's just make him a stormtrooper" when they couldn't figure out what else to do with him.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by Tex on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 2:53 pm

@snufkin wrote:The deliberate vagueness is a hard one to figure out - are they keeping it vague because it could be potential plot points in future products where they want to mine that history? Like books, comics, stand-alone films, cartoons. Or have they had an idea that's been held off from IX for some reason?

I think this comes down to the question of JJ and Rian's intentions as filmmakers. Did they even feel it necessary to explain all the details of how/why Ben turned beyond what we've seen? Does it move the story forward or does it bog it down? This could be a case of less is more, especially if they're crunched for time.

I'm not suggesting that they don't have a master plan laid out because I think they do, but do they need to flesh this out in the films? Sometimes keeping things shrouded in a little mystery is better. Plus, I don't recall JJ being someone who always works out the mechanics of his twists and mystery boxes. And sure they could always mine this one detail in additional content.

@Snufkin in a way I think you sort of answer your own question in this paragraph...

@snufkin wrote:Although part of me wonders if this is just part of the larger issue the writers seem to have with coming up with him in the original Sam version as Rey/Kira's sidekick in the first film after realizing that being with Luke would overwhelm her introduction. So they come up with a best friend/comic relief sidekick and then "let's just make him a stormtrooper" when they couldn't figure out what else to do with him.  

Think about how they just breezed through Rey's issues with Kylo. The scare wasn't addressed, Finn's injuries weren't addressed, Finn's character doesn't seem to have anymore issues with killing Stormtroopers etc. Are these things cut for time? Or as you suggested just an issue with the writing style? Or are these narratives they never intended to explore further?
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by snufkin on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 4:28 pm

@Tex I’m on my phone so I can't dig up the exact quote. But in the Decemeber 2015 WGA podcast for TFA’s release, JJ had a statement about Kasdan getting exasperated when they were trying to figure out Sam/Finn's role and suggested making him a Stormtrooper. And he was the person who kept stressing “show don’t tell” to JJ as part of the editing process. Which works for the most part. Just that it feels like they’ve shown how significant Finn’s friendship and loyalty was to Rey as part of TFA's climax with the fight. And we know from how TLJ played out, that there was something else going on between Rey and Ben that the audience wasn't privvy to in TFA, which gets explored in TLJ. So she has these two important relationships, which are with two men in conflict with each other. They may decided to hold back on that for IX. But I just honestly felt surprised in TLJ that give how Finn returning for her was such an important moment for Rey (described in the script that she hugs him because somebody coming back for her, "that's all she's ever wanted.") that it wasn't refered at all in her scenes with Ben. That it might be some kind of internal conflict because she's emotionally attached with both men and they're poised as enemies.
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Re: Predictions for Episode 9

Post by californiagirl on Fri 15 Jun 2018, 12:48 pm

Was a little unsure of where to put this, and hopefully it's not too political. This article highlights the recent wave of films based around compassion and general niceness, sometimes as a transformative force for good, and often driving the plot forward. So of course I thought of Episode IX and the ST. The emphasis is on movies from this year, including the Paddington sequel and the new Mr. Rogers movie, and how it's a response to the dark times around us.

Because if the fanboys and fangirls are screaming for Kylo's head, and for the BFG to destroy everything that stands in their way to achieve this end, well.... It stands a bit in contrast to saving what we love, not fighting what we hate, yes?

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/nice-movies-in-age-of-trump-1201974749/
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