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Post by SkyStar on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 10:59 am

Rey just goes by the motto- if you love someone, let them go, if they come back, they love you, nana. If he still doesn't get the message then she is probably going to hunt this him down herself.

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Post by Good-olio Raeh on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 12:22 pm

@motherofpearl1 Yes, I agree, but if you see how Han treated Leia...instead of discussing his feelings, asking her how she felt, seeking permission to physically kiss her (telling her what she needed)...um, his model for a gentlemen wasn’t the best.  That’s why I think in some ways Ben Solo redefines the man...he doesn’t want to fly Solo. He wants to be the knight (which he is) and treat her as a lady. He asks permission and questions. Sometimes, he uses the truth to manipulate those facts to his own ends...but so did Darcy. And Elizabeth (like Rey) didn’t tolerate it. Princes feel entitled.  They are dark kings who need some enlightenment (Rey, a drop of gold son LOL)  and learn to behave “in a more gentleman like manner..” This accusation angered Darcy and was the catalyst to his maturtation as lover. Darcy was trained to be arrogant like his father before him. He needed Elizabeth to refuse and break him before she made him.
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 12:30 pm

@Good-olio Raeh wrote:@motherofpearl1 Yes, I agree, but if you see how Han treated Leia...instead of discussing his feelings, asking her how she felt, seeking permission to physically kiss her (telling her what she needed)...um, his model for a gentlemen wasn’t the best.  That’s why I think in some ways Ben Solo redefines the man...he doesn’t want to fly Solo. He wants to be the knight (which he is) and treat her as a lady. He asks permission and questions. Sometimes, he uses the truth to manipulate those facts to his own ends...but so did Darcy. And Elizabeth (like Rey) didn’t tolerate it. Princes feel entitled.  They are dark kings who need some enlightenment (Rey, a drop of gold son LOL)  and learn to behave “in a more gentleman like manner..” This accusation angered Darcy and was the catalyst to his maturtation as lover. Darcy was trained to be arrogant like his father before him. He needed Elizabeth to refuse and break him before she made him.
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But...did Darcy have the same hurt in his soul as Kylo?
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Post by Good-olio Raeh on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 1:18 pm

@motherofpearl1 No, but that doesn’t negate the comparison and allusion. There’s the difference; there’s the originality of the story. That this is man that comes from great lineage but what told he wasn’t a prince but a monster...he’s whole life. A word curse from his mother and father became a prophecy of the other chosen one. Man to monster; monster to man.  Genes alone do not determine fate; nurture also has a role to play.


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Post by Teo oswald on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 6:02 pm

you know one thing compared to all the heroines of the story, and to the protagonists women of films reminiscent of the Reylo couple, none of them had the balls to kick her man in the a**, Rey is the first one Smile
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Post by Good-olio Raeh on Fri 16 Mar 2018, 6:13 pm

@Teo oswald wrote:you know one thing compared to all the heroines of the story, and to the protagonists women  of films reminiscent of the Reylo couple, none of them had the balls to kick her man in the a**, Rey is the first one Smile
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TOTALLY AGREEMENT! She is the perfect balance of a woman: sweet, compassionate, beautiful, tender (Padme) to the sass, fire, strength, warrior of Princess Leia. I think that’s why she is Ben’s perfect completement; she’s an homalagation of his grandmother and his mother. His genes recognize her as his completeion b/c he is Anakin with the heart of Ben Solo. She’s his warrior Jedi queen. The sun to his dark king. Smile I am swooning right now, but you just can’t see me. LOL
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Post by Lamiller1390 on Sat 24 Mar 2018, 3:57 am

@motherofpearl1 They did indeed. But no parent is perfect.

Especially two already rather selfish people with a very special child. They didn't know how to handle him and as a result, they only pushed him away. Hopefully Rey can being a beacon to pull him back.
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Post by Lamiller1390 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 8:50 am

@Good-olio Raeh

Hahahaha, she is indeed a great balance to his darkness. She is a balance in the light and through the novelization, we see she has an understanding of the force and more importantly her role within the force that Kylo has yet to embrace. She is a conduit for the force and she knows it now. She is strong powerful and kind with a heart that has known heartbreak. She came from a similar background to Ben. Willfully abandoned by her parents, cast away as trash but instead of letting that make her bitter she allowed it make her strong. Yes she still pined after that type of relationship, still wanted that love, still needed that to ground her...needed the knowledge or rather needed the acceptance from her parents in order to make her feel whole... but in the end, when she realized she was never going to get it... she let it all go and that... THAT is the moment she became more powerful in the force. She stopped trying to control the force to her will but rather allowed it to flow through her. She found her place.

Kylo who was also willfully abandoned had another type of upbringing that created the monster within him. You tell someone they are a monster their whole life, they will believe it. You tell them they are unbalanced and weak... they will believe it and it will eat them up. Plus coming from a privileged background and the lineage he does. He is the poster boy for a bad boy that comes from an upper-class family... where the only way he is noticed is by rebelling against everything he is and has. Now he has nothing and no one and the First Order certainly does not respect him, they fear his power... but they do not respect him. He is still a child in many ways.
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Sat 19 May 2018, 2:44 am

Which is why him being the one to kill Snoke was exactly as it should be...whatever came next he took his first step to becoming his own person, he killed the creature who abused him, and who repeatedly berated him for being a weak and foolish failure. And he did this because of Rey. Sadly everything fell apart afterwards, because he wanted to create something new to rule the galaxy and Rey just wanted to save her friends. I really wonder what the outcome would have been if Rey had said 'yes'....
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Post by snufkin on Sat 19 May 2018, 1:51 pm

Just out of curiosity what have y’all thought (if at all) was the source of their last connection and the Dice? Snoke and Luke are both dead at that point and while Leia held the dice it doesn’t appear that’s a deliberate action by her to leave them there. Not that the magic trick needs to be explained, but I’ve thought about it. Though Rey slamming the door in his face, she just blocked him on Facebook
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