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Post by rawpowah on Tue 13 Mar - 17:53

@nickandnora Yeah I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts in the prediction thread. To me the ones that were more likely to have had a connection with Snoke were Luke and Leia.
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Post by nickandnora on Tue 13 Mar - 17:59

@rawpowah wrote:@nickandnora Yeah I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts in the prediction thread. To me the ones that were more likely to have had a connection with Snoke were Luke and Leia.
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I'll copy my posts to the prediction thread then. Hopefully it's OK; I haven't double-posted often (or ever) and it's a completely different subject I'll be talking about.

(To briefly answer what you said here though, I think Leia and Luke certainly did have a connection to Snoke as well. It's just something I'm less focused on.)

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Post by kroi on Tue 13 Mar - 20:02

@Cowgirlsamurai wrote:
@vaderito wrote:Please tell me that people are not freaking out cause he liked that tweet! he liked tons of Storm Pilot fan art too and yet the movie was anything but. Liking a tweet =/= movie.
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Not freaking. Just perplexed. Obsv Rey has the hots for Kylo, even though she tries to bury it in the depths of her soul after he doesn't save her friends.
Yeah, I was just confused in the aftermath of his SXSW comments & then tired after all the awfulness by Antis on twitter today! But thanks for some great replies & discussion about it guys! I'm not concerned at all anymore. Smile
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Post by ZioRen on Tue 13 Mar - 20:10

@Saracene wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:It's interesting how many things that make both Kylo's and Rey's thoughts and feelings, or Kylo's backstory, about each other clearer get cut from the final product, sometimes not even being filmed.

It's still frustrating how much they downplay the romance element within the film itself, and save the most explicit statements about the Kylo and Rey for outside the film in interviews, novels, etc. LF is truly playing the long game here. Few studios would care that much about story or character. I just hope they don't hold back too much.
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I honestly think that they downplay the romantic element mostly out of fear of backlash to the heroine/villain romance - particularly where Rey's side of things is concerned. They're a bit more bold with talking about Kylo's, but then he's not touted as a role model for little girls. The way TLJ went, everyone can draw the conclusions they're happy with: "yay romance" or "Rey and Kylo are totes enemies now".
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They're going to have to get past that fast if Reylo is supposed to be endgame.
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Post by californiagirl on Tue 13 Mar - 20:43

@ZioRen wrote:
@Saracene wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:It's interesting how many things that make both Kylo's and Rey's thoughts and feelings, or Kylo's backstory, about each other clearer get cut from the final product, sometimes not even being filmed.

It's still frustrating how much they downplay the romance element within the film itself, and save the most explicit statements about the Kylo and Rey for outside the film in interviews, novels, etc. LF is truly playing the long game here. Few studios would care that much about story or character. I just hope they don't hold back too much.
@californiagirl

I honestly think that they downplay the romantic element mostly out of fear of backlash to the heroine/villain romance - particularly where Rey's side of things is concerned. They're a bit more bold with talking about Kylo's, but then he's not touted as a role model for little girls. The way TLJ went, everyone can draw the conclusions they're happy with: "yay romance" or "Rey and Kylo are totes enemies now".
@Saracene

They're going to have to get past that fast if Reylo is supposed to be endgame.
@ZioRen

That's my worry, that despite all they've done, they've been a little timid and set themselves up for much of the audience being shocked come IX. Should have ripped off the Band Aid in TLJ. Or at least half off.
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Post by Saracene on Tue 13 Mar - 20:57

@ZioRen wrote:
@Saracene wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:It's interesting how many things that make both Kylo's and Rey's thoughts and feelings, or Kylo's backstory, about each other clearer get cut from the final product, sometimes not even being filmed.

It's still frustrating how much they downplay the romance element within the film itself, and save the most explicit statements about the Kylo and Rey for outside the film in interviews, novels, etc. LF is truly playing the long game here. Few studios would care that much about story or character. I just hope they don't hold back too much.
@californiagirl

I honestly think that they downplay the romantic element mostly out of fear of backlash to the heroine/villain romance - particularly where Rey's side of things is concerned. They're a bit more bold with talking about Kylo's, but then he's not touted as a role model for little girls. The way TLJ went, everyone can draw the conclusions they're happy with: "yay romance" or "Rey and Kylo are totes enemies now".
@Saracene

They're going to have to get past that fast if Reylo is supposed to be endgame.
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I think that in the last episode, they won't reveal Rey's feelings until after Kylo has done something so selfless and self-sacrificing that you'd need to be a total hardcore anti/social agenda obsessive to complain.

I just don't think they felt secure doing it in TLJ which ended with Kylo seemingly doubling down on villainy. Like, all of us here take it for granted that Reylo comes in a package with redemption, but tons of people are now convinced that Kylo is beyond saving.
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Post by Dar-ren19 on Tue 13 Mar - 21:19

@nickandnora wrote:Kylo is wayyyy ahead of Rey in the "acknowledgement of romantic feelings" department. As I mentioned, I quite enjoy Fry's interpretation that she sees Kylo as an instrument of the Force (lol, OK) because that's so Rey to hide what she feels behind the mask of something else.

It's like in P&P. Darcy loves Lizzie "most ardently," but she doesn't actually start falling for him legit until after the proposal and she starts thinking, and interacting with people who knew him, and visiting his home, and seeing how selfless he is, etc. It's going to be the same story here. We're not even going to get an admission that she's in love with him until the last two minutes of the next movie, I'd wager (though I suspect the actual *feelings* of love will officially blossom, unsaid, before that point, but still during Act III).

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I just realized Darcy was exactly 28 (same as Ben, I think) in P&P. Lizzie was 20, I think. How old is Rey supposed to be in TLJ?
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Tue 13 Mar - 22:48

@Dar-ren19 wrote:
@nickandnora wrote:Kylo is wayyyy ahead of Rey in the "acknowledgement of romantic feelings" department. As I mentioned, I quite enjoy Fry's interpretation that she sees Kylo as an instrument of the Force (lol, OK) because that's so Rey to hide what she feels behind the mask of something else.

It's like in P&P. Darcy loves Lizzie "most ardently," but she doesn't actually start falling for him legit until after the proposal and she starts thinking, and interacting with people who knew him, and visiting his home, and seeing how selfless he is, etc. It's going to be the same story here. We're not even going to get an admission that she's in love with him until the last two minutes of the next movie, I'd wager (though I suspect the actual *feelings* of love will officially blossom, unsaid, before that point, but still during Act III).

@nickandnora

I just realized Darcy was exactly 28 (same as Ben, I think) in P&P. Lizzie was 20, I think. How old is Rey supposed to be in TLJ?
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Rey is 19, and Ben is 29, since he was born a year after Endor, which was 30 yrs ago.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 13 Mar - 22:58

@RosiePancake wrote:
@Saracene wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:It's interesting how many things that make both Kylo's and Rey's thoughts and feelings, or Kylo's backstory, about each other clearer get cut from the final product, sometimes not even being filmed.

It's still frustrating how much they downplay the romance element within the film itself, and save the most explicit statements about the Kylo and Rey for outside the film in interviews, novels, etc. LF is truly playing the long game here. Few studios would care that much about story or character. I just hope they don't hold back too much.
@californiagirl

I honestly think that they downplay the romantic element mostly out of fear of backlash to the heroine/villain romance - particularly where Rey's side of things is concerned. They're a bit more bold with talking about Kylo's, but then he's not touted as a role model for little girls. The way TLJ went, everyone can draw the conclusions they're happy with: "yay romance" or "Rey and Kylo are totes enemies now".
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I bet that we could tell the same with FinnRose relationship, many fanboys on reddit still think like this

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Even though Rian had said that there wasn't any one-sided love or unrequited love in TLJ, it seems like many fanboys still think otherwise. They would rather choose to cut this FinnRose's lovely affection scene
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and let fans engage countless heated debates for the next 2 years just to keep up the hype.
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These people are terrible and dumb. Rey would have hit Finn like he was her little brother if he tried to mess with her hair, and Finn knows it.  But he has no such worries with Rose, nor should he ... because it is a different kind of relationship.

OTOH, Rey allows the tender hand-holding moment to happen with Kylo/Ben and gets in Kylo/Ben's personal space in the elevator and get overwhelmed by the sight of his chest and "I'm insane about you and want to have sex with you right now" look that Kylo/Ben gives her post-PG fight.  None of this would have happened with Finn ... because again, the relationship with Kylo/Ben is a different kind of relationship.
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Post by Dar-ren19 on Tue 13 Mar - 23:37

@SoloSideCousin well RJ cut the curly hair scene, right? I still don't get why? He kept all the other humorous stuff in. Why not have a scene where we KNOW Finn has affectionate feelings toward Rose before she kisses him? This is the reason the kiss came out of the blue. We weren't shown anything like this from Finn's side toward Rose. Much of the canto bight scene could have been cut in favor of this (and many other scenes, IMO).

And Rey doesn't just allow the hand-holding, she initiates it.

and @Rei of Sunshine -- thanks. 28/29... eh, close enough Wink
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Post by Night Huntress on Wed 14 Mar - 0:08

@special_cases

yes, that was a joke!!! Lolilol
Rian needed to clarify that later... Rolling Eyes

@nickandnora

I' personally don't think anything like that happened to be honest. I'm curious how you came to that conclusion- where did you posted that theory? In the predictions for 9 thread?
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Post by Riri on Wed 14 Mar - 0:11

Omg the Finnrose affection scene is so adorable! I think they cut it because of pacing, the whole "disguising themselves in Fo uniform" probably took too long. That wouldve been a great little scene though to show Finns affection for Rose which he probably hasn't realised yet.

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Post by rawpowah on Wed 14 Mar - 2:38

They should have kept that FinnRose scene. It's only a few seconds and the kiss wouldn't have felt so sudden and like it came out of nowhere.
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Post by cherrylipstick on Wed 14 Mar - 3:33

Oh god some of them think that Rose is a crazy obsessive fangirl just because at the beginning she admires Finn, a notorious hero of the Resistance. How dare she?! Mad
How FinnRose relationship can be considered unhealthy or toxic is beyond my understanding. They are so cute together, she's so sweet but strong at the same time and she can help Finn to be a better person.

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Post by Kylo Rey on Wed 14 Mar - 17:28

Oh, Rian... maybe you could ask Adam for some hair tips Laughing

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One of the comments, though Very Happy
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Post by special_cases on Thu 15 Mar - 0:07

Rian liked last tweet Very Happy
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Post by Night Huntress on Thu 15 Mar - 0:18

@cherrylipstick wrote:Oh god some of them think that Rose is a crazy obsessive fangirl just because at the beginning she admires Finn, a notorious hero of the Resistance. How dare she?! Mad
How FinnRose relationship can be considered unhealthy or toxic is beyond my understanding. They are so cute together, she's so sweet but strong at the same time and she can help Finn to be a better person.
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Yeah, she "fangirls" over him for about 2 minutes before zapping his a** Laughing Laughing Laughing
I think it shows how strong of a character she is. No admiration or shyness preventing her from calling Finn out on what he's doing.

rewatching it now I love her character even more- and there are a few times where Finn looks at her with something that do implies romantic feelings. Even if it's very subtle. I missed it in the theatre to be honest because it was so overwhelming.

@californiagirl

diverse reactions are something most good stories has in common. Because they induce strong feelings...not everyone is comfortable with that. AND they are ambiguous because the story can be perceived differently depending on peoples own experience.

A bad story don't have haters because nobody gets invested enough for such a strong emotion.
For me personally a bad story is when I'm indifferent about it.
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Post by Riri on Thu 15 Mar - 0:47

For all the Brits and anyone who is still waiting for digital release, the director and the jedi is uploaded here

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2u

Pt2
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2t

Balance of the force
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gawe2

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Post by Starliteprism on Thu 15 Mar - 11:26

@Riri wrote:For all the Brits and anyone who is still waiting for digital release, the director and the jedi is uploaded here

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2u

Pt2
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gao2t

Balance of the force
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gawe2
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Post by rey09 on Thu 15 Mar - 12:40

"Whenever you gamble, Lil' Kylo, eventually you lose."
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Post by Kylo Rey on Thu 15 Mar - 14:16

Rian liked this thread on Twitter about Ben Solo and the tragedy of the Skywalker family:

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The self-fulfilling prophecy which RJ brought back again in TLJ with Ben/Luke continuously crops up in SW and is one of the reasons why this family is so tragic. Ben is shackled by the burdens of his family legacy and is in a way paying for the sins of his forefathers.
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Post by rawpowah on Thu 15 Mar - 15:07

Well hopefully Ben breaks the curse of the family, otherwise it would be too tragic and bleak.
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