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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Thu 03 May 2018, 1:25 pm

@Night Huntress wrote:actually, it would make sense for it to be a LF plant- they know some things like location, castings etc. are going to leak eventually so they start spreading confusion what these could really mean in the story.

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Exactly--this is what I'm saying is the motivation behind it.

I mean, they had everyone convinced that Kylo was actually coming to Ahch-To in TLJ...which was all a cover for Adam being in Ireland to film the Force bond scenes.
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Post by snufkin on Thu 03 May 2018, 1:33 pm

Oh some of this has to be a disinformation tactic by LF given that Rian said outright he tracked 'spoilers' from places like Reddit and LF had somebody to track anything which 'leaked' online to run past him. And what @nickandnora said, remember the ridiculous shark feeding frenzy after TLJ's premiere when various people were teasing how they knew what was going to happen? People absolutely get off on feeling like they're important or an insider. That's the same reason why you have the whole BNF phenomena, "if you listen to me, you'll have access to the inside circle because I'm kind of a big deal in the fandom."
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Post by Night Huntress on Thu 03 May 2018, 1:33 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Night Huntress wrote:actually, it would make sense for it to be a LF plant- they know some things like location, castings etc. are going to leak eventually so they start spreading confusion what these could really mean in the story.

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Exactly--this is what I'm saying is the motivation behind it.

I mean, they had everyone convinced that Kylo was actually coming to Ahch-To in TLJ...which was all a cover for Adam being in Ireland to film the Force bond scenes.
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Don't forget about the Knights of Ren and Kylo's crashed ship! Kylo & Rey fighting on the cliff edge  Lolilol
And this fake-leaks lasted till the very end...

I'm looking forward already to December 2019- after I saw the movie I will reread all these leaks.

I'm weirdly entertained reading the old FAF leaks from TLJ Pop corn
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Thu 03 May 2018, 2:00 pm

What if this guy is Pablo's sock account on reddit? Suspect lol!

Just joking.

I'am not so much into conspiracy theories but this one could end as being a LF plant.

PRO for him being a plant:

Mentioning Casino planet in the early leak - because Dubrovnik was the place where they couldn't hide the filming.

CON:

Snoke being killed off so early - it's THE big spoiler of TLJ - and it's a bit hard for me to see LF spilling it out.

So, who knows..
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Post by vaderito on Thu 03 May 2018, 2:01 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Night Huntress wrote:actually, it would make sense for it to be a LF plant- they know some things like location, castings etc. are going to leak eventually so they start spreading confusion what these could really mean in the story.

@Night Huntress

Exactly--this is what I'm saying is the motivation behind it.

I mean, they had everyone convinced that Kylo was actually coming to Ahch-To in TLJ...which was all a cover for Adam being in Ireland to film the Force bond scenes.
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I have an impression that he posted a semi-credible leak that he now tries to make sound like the biggest FAF ever.

However, I have to notice the difference between his TLJ leak and this one. TLJ leak passed the FPR test (FinnPoeRose Test) with flying colors, while this one raises red flags because it doesn't give anything about those characters. We know from TLJ FAF-mania that they all made up BS about Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke cause most dramatic potential. But if you had a real info, you would know stuff about characters with less dramatic potential, and all FAF flopped the FPR test. So does this one.
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Post by snufkin on Thu 03 May 2018, 2:11 pm

The thing with these leaks is that the argument of "this person knows something special" because they predicted Rey Random or Ben and Rey are horny caught feelings for one another is that well, quite a lot of us predicted the same thing after our first viewing of TFA without access to any insider knowledge/information. It's just we don't engage in fandom circle jerks or conspiracy theories. The other thing with using Renperor as a benchmark for having special/privileged information is that nobody expected it because nobody's been sure how far LF was going to go with blowing up the various narrative sacred cows that fans expect to be a given in the franchise. Which the ST has so far completely done away with. And not in the half-a**ed, "we'll just kill your darlings to show nobody's safe" way that so many TV shows engage in. Because that's just being lazy - this is about upending the "rules" that got put into place thanks to George Lucas' bad writing and fan culture:

+ Luke was off on lonely hermit island because of his hubris and expectations about being a legend/hero (literally an in-universe acknowledgment about crazy fan worship of the character) led him to make bad choices in trying to live up to that role, which ended up causing massive damage to the people around him, especially his family.

+ Rey's lineage *had* to connect her to the Force plot because the OT and PT built up this entire Chosen One with secret special lineage plot point in both trilogies. Nope, turns out that she's just somebody coping with poverty and childhood trauma on top of her Force powers. Her parents were addicts and nobody connected to the in-universe mythology other than Jakku being a place on the margins

+ Snoke *has* to be the Big Bad with a world-building conspiracy theory and shadow network in the background because that was the crux of the PT and the ST's tie-in novels played with that for Jakku and the Unknown Regions. Nope, turns out that he's just a power hungry manipulative a**hole who took advantage of other people on both sides to cement his own control of the entire universe.

^^ Speaking of which, thanks to the always generous @MrsWindu sharing with me some of the details from her copy of the Art of TFA book because that answered some of the above questions. The whole idea about Rey living on a junkyard planet was something Michael Arndt came up with in his early drafts of his script. JJ and the production team liked the idea, so they ran with it. Really, that's it. Everything else about Jakku being the last stand of the Empire versus the Rebels, the departure point for the Imperial remnants into the Unknown Reaches, et cetera in the novels -- that's just embellishment for the novels.

Anyways, Renperor as being a crazy idea hinges on the assumption that LF would write some massive backstory and world building scenario for him and the First Order, which ties in with Rey being left on Jakku. Because that's the supposed "rules" of that fictional universe, it's the type of details which super-invested/long-term fans expect, and the question (answered by Luke's "The Force belongs to everybody" line) of who LF wants to please is answered. It's not about satisfying the Completists/BNFs/hardcores. All of this was essentially Luke tossing away the lightsaber and saying "this is not going to go the way that you think." We just didn't know that part, as we expected something significant for Rey's background and Snoke to play a critical world building role because of those were the supposed rules.


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Post by rawpowah on Thu 03 May 2018, 2:29 pm

@ISeeAnIsland This crossed my mind as well the moment someone here linked GRG's comment about The Emperor's Secret Love Child.

Hmm... this kind of sounds like a Harlequin Romance title. Laughing
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Post by californiagirl on Thu 03 May 2018, 6:40 pm

@snufkin wrote:The thing with these leaks is that the argument of "this person knows something special" because they predicted Rey Random or Ben and Rey are horny caught feelings for one another is that well, quite a lot of us predicted the same thing after our first viewing of TFA without access to any insider knowledge/information. It's just we don't engage in fandom circle jerks or conspiracy theories. The other thing with using Renperor as a benchmark for having special/privileged information is that nobody expected it because nobody's been sure how far LF was going to go with blowing up the various narrative sacred cows that fans expect to be a given in the franchise. Which the ST has so far completely done away with. And not in the half-a**ed, "we'll just kill your darlings to show nobody's safe" way that so many TV shows engage in. Because that's just being lazy - this is about upending the "rules" that got put into place thanks to George Lucas' bad writing and fan culture:

+ Luke was off on lonely hermit island because of his hubris and expectations about being a legend/hero (literally an in-universe acknowledgment about crazy fan worship of the character) led him to make bad choices in trying to live up to that role, which ended up causing massive damage to the people around him, especially his family.

+ Rey's lineage *had* to connect her to the Force plot because the OT and PT built up this entire Chosen One with secret special lineage plot point in both trilogies. Nope, turns out that she's just somebody coping with poverty and childhood trauma on top of her Force powers. Her parents were addicts and nobody connected to the in-universe mythology other than Jakku being a place on the margins

+ Snoke *has* to be the Big Bad with a world-building conspiracy theory and shadow network in the background because that was the crux of the PT and the ST's tie-in novels played with that for Jakku and the Unknown Regions. Nope, turns out that he's just a power hungry manipulative a**hole who took advantage of other people on both sides to cement his own control of the entire universe.

^^ Speaking of which, thanks to the always generous @MrsWindu sharing with me some of the details from her copy of the Art of TFA book because that answered some of the above questions. The whole idea about Rey living on a junkyard planet was something Michael Arndt came up with in his early drafts of his script. JJ and the production team liked the idea, so they ran with it. Really, that's it. Everything else about Jakku being the last stand of the Empire versus the Rebels, the departure point for the Imperial remnants into the Unknown Reaches, et cetera in the novels -- that's just embellishment for the novels.

Anyways, Renperor as being a crazy idea hinges on the assumption that LF would write some massive backstory and world building scenario for him and the First Order, which ties in with Rey being left on Jakku. Because that's the supposed "rules" of that fictional universe, it's the type of details which super-invested/long-term fans expect, and the question (answered by Luke's "The Force belongs to everybody" line) of who LF wants to please is answered. It's not about satisfying the Completists/BNFs/hardcores. All of this was essentially Luke tossing away the lightsaber and saying "this is not going to go the way that you think." We just didn't know that part, as we expected something significant for Rey's background and Snoke to play a critical world building role because of those were the supposed rules.
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But clearly Rian just has no love or respect for SW or TFA or JJ or GL because they were doing all the rules correctly until a certain SOMEONE had to ruin the perfect little SW picture LF was painting.

Never mind that the "rules" already got busted in TFA by not focusing on Luke, by unmasking the villain and having him being an overly sensitive, emotional trainwreck, on top of the female lead, the defecting stormtrooper, the fairly multiracial cast (remember when people freaked out that the stormtrooper was black?) the list goes on and on. But of course TFA was just feel good SW fanservice Rolling Eyes
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Post by lauvamp on Thu 03 May 2018, 6:48 pm

Our fandom needed something new (and juicy lol), I'm glad to feel this reactivation!

I didn't expect the Reylo child thing mentioned so soon (I like it though), I wouldn't like to see Kylo acting violent against Rey (no more abuser accusations please), and I totally support any possible secret lovers / push-pull relationship between them.
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Post by special_cases on Fri 04 May 2018, 3:33 am

If secret Reylo child is real, now we know why Rian called that hand touching moment "a sex scene".
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Fri 04 May 2018, 4:20 am

@special_cases wrote:If secret Reylo child is real, now we know why Rian called that hand touching moment "a sex scene".
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I swear Handsex!Baby would be worth it just for the sheer WTFery of it all.

Can you think of any other plot twist that would single-handedly anger and disappoint EVERY corner of SW fandom? Poor Handsex!Baby would be hated even by Reylos.
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Post by Piper Maru on Fri 04 May 2018, 4:47 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@special_cases wrote:If secret Reylo child is real, now we know why Rian called that hand touching moment "a sex scene".
@special_cases

I swear Handsex!Baby would be worth it just for the sheer WTFery of it all.

Can you think of any other plot twist that would single-handedly anger and disappoint EVERY corner of SW fandom? Poor Handsex!Baby would be hated even by Reylos.
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That's why I loved it. It would be the ultimate middle finger to the entire fanbase, a materialization of the "let it all die" motto Laughing
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Fri 04 May 2018, 4:47 am

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@special_cases wrote:If secret Reylo child is real, now we know why Rian called that hand touching moment "a sex scene".
@special_cases

I swear Handsex!Baby would be worth it just for the sheer WTFery of it all.

Can you think of any other plot twist that would single-handedly anger and disappoint EVERY corner of SW fandom? Poor Handsex!Baby would be hated even by Reylos.
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Fri 04 May 2018, 4:50 am

@Piper Maru wrote:
@Darth Dingbat wrote:
@special_cases wrote:If secret Reylo child is real, now we know why Rian called that hand touching moment "a sex scene".
@special_cases

I swear Handsex!Baby would be worth it just for the sheer WTFery of it all.

Can you think of any other plot twist that would single-handedly anger and disappoint EVERY corner of SW fandom? Poor Handsex!Baby would be hated even by Reylos.
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That's why I loved it. It would be the ultimate middle finger to the entire fanbase, a materialization of the "let it all die" motto Laughing
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Post by Kessel on Fri 04 May 2018, 5:24 am

My personal feelings aside (I don’t want a hand-sex baby, please) and the fact I think the odds of it happening are slight to none, I’d actually be  impressed with JJ’s courage if he went that route just because it would show he gives zero ****’s , but I don’t think he has the guts to do it, which is for the best.


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Post by AhsokaTano on Fri 04 May 2018, 5:30 am

Hi all! Happy Star Wars day !May the 4th be with you all! Smile

Just to say didn’t the leaker say something about kylo and rey being secret lovers in the leak before he mentions the twist of the baby/ toddler . That would suggest to me that they have been sleeping together. Of course baby may be conceived through hand sex lol but I took it to mean they were sleeping together and that he got the age wrong of the child ie not 5 but more like 4 . If for instance rey started sleeping with kylo via the force bond ( he said they physically manifest - am putting both 4 chan and Reddit leaks together as same leaker )as soon as they got to
New resistance base then it’s all possible . Of course it could all be via hand sex because anything is possible via the force it seems in this saga! Lol!
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Post by Moonjump05 on Fri 04 May 2018, 5:57 am

Tbh, secret reylo love child that is revealed towards the end of the movie would be a disappointment to me since it would mean the bulk of the romantic relationship and consummation (romantic and sexual) would be entirely off screen. Not only would it be a departure from the provocative imagery of TLJ, but I want to see that glorious first kiss in real time on the big screen! I am a woman of simple wants, lol.

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Post by AhsokaTano on Fri 04 May 2018, 6:12 am

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To be honest and I know it’s wishful thinking am hoping they be brave and take the plunge and we see a bit more than a kiss on screen between kylo and Rey . It can be done with a 12/pg13 certificate and they can be subtle about it if they want to be . I know it ain’t gonna happen in a Star Wars film but it would be a waste of great chemistry just to have one kiss lol! Last Jedi already surprised me at how sexual it was for a Star Wars film so who knows where they will take kylo and Rey . Smile


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Post by special_cases on Fri 04 May 2018, 6:49 am

@AhsokaTano wrote:Hi all! Happy Star Wars day !May the 4th be with you all! Smile

Just to say didn’t the leaker say something about kylo and rey being secret lovers in the leak before he mentions the twist of the baby/ toddler . That would suggest to me that they have been sleeping together. Of course baby may be conceived through hand sex lol but I took it to mean they were sleeping together and that he got the age wrong of the child ie not 5 but more like 4 . If for instance rey started sleeping with kylo via the force bond ( he said they physically manifest - am putting both 4 chan and Reddit leaks together as same leaker )as soon as they got to
New resistance base then it’s all possible . Of course it could all be via hand sex because anything is possible via the force it seems in this saga! Lol!
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Happy Star Wars day to you too! I like your new avatar with Yoda.flower

I guess this leaker actually doesn't know details about baby and Reylo. If I remember correctly, he said "slowly revealed they secretly love each other." Doesn't mean they're lovers or that they're together. They can have just feelings.
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Post by Riri on Fri 04 May 2018, 7:36 am

Reminder of something JJ said about how he doesn't watch movies to feel sad



This Reylo plot seems way too dark for JJ, i mean Ben attacking the mother of his child? Absolutely no way!

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Post by vaderito on Fri 04 May 2018, 9:34 am

say what you will about Reylo Baby "leak" but it got people talking unlike "all out war" type of hype.
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Post by Kessel on Fri 04 May 2018, 9:46 am

@vaderito wrote:say what you will about Reylo Baby "leak" but it got people talking unlike "all out war" type of hype.
@vaderito

For sure. Regardless of how Reylo plays out in Episode IX, I think most of the fake “leaks” and “spoilers” we’re going to get will include something about Reylo because that’s the most interesting thing going into the next movie: Rey and Kylo’s dynamic/relationship and what’s going to happen with it.

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Post by Riri on Fri 04 May 2018, 10:12 am

@vaderito wrote:say what you will about Reylo Baby "leak" but it got people talking unlike "all out war" type of hype.
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I noticed that too - no one really cared about the "all our war spoiler", everyone was talking about the reylo baby Razz - that thread on Reddit has like 500 replies or something! Might be because of how bizarre it is - not knowing if its force bond sex, or hand-sex or something mystical ha! but i guess that's what makes Star Wars so different right? they've never been afraid of taking risks or going all-out weird!

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Post by californiagirl on Fri 04 May 2018, 10:22 am

Even though handsex Reylo lovechild won't happen, I do wonder if there will be some OMG WTF moments, if JJ truly has gone bold and doesn't care what people think, as there have been hints of. I don't mean this in a negative way, but I do wonder if he will showboat a little. It's perfectly in his right to do so, he's tying nine movies over 40+ years together, he's got this great love story to tell, he's got something to prove after TFA got trashed for being rehashy, while some circles hailed TLJ as being a revolutionary SW film. And maybe Disney will try to go on the awards campaign trail like it's Return of the King. Rian got to do whatever he wanted, let JJ do whatever he wants too, this story is his baby after all. Let him showboat, I say!
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Post by rawpowah on Fri 04 May 2018, 10:28 am

@californiagirl I think there's potential for huge twists in IX regarding what happened in the aftermath of Luke's academy between the students, and maybe something with the KoR or what Hux might be up to. And for most viewers, if Kylo gets his HEA with Rey and their kid in an epilogue, I imagine it would be a huge twist. I'm also thinking that because LF saved Leia and Ben's relationship for IX, there must have been something to reveal there as well.
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