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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Tue 28 Aug 2018, 9:01 pm

@Chris24601 wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:Every time someone new is cast, it's either Rey's parents or the KoR.

Also the Thrawn speculation is back up and running again. Because of course it is.

Also young Snoke. Because why not. Rolling Eyes
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This is why the superfans were always crap at predicting the story. They can’t conceive that general audiences don’t love the minutiae the same way they do and lack the creativity to do anything other than regurgitate plot elements from previous Star Wars films, cartoons, novels and comics.

There’s a reason I confined my Knights of Ren spec to the “Crack” thread. The entirety of the Knights of Ren as far as general audiences care was one line in TFA that most general audience members don’t even remember because it was three years ago. IX might dig it out because they need a darksider for Ben and Rey to fight, but an apparition of the masked Kylo Ren or Vader himself are just as, if not more, likely because general audiences will recognize them.

That said, the bigger names and news of them coming out later does incline me to believe they’re more likely to be part of Rey/Kylo’s A-plot whether they’re Force sensitive or not. This is because the Resistance B-plot was always going to be lame, there’s already an over abundance of characters there (Poe, Finn, Rose, Chewie, BB-8, Connix, Wex, Naomi’s character and, if the rumors are on target, Lando and Maz as well) and no amount of additional casting is going to make the Resistance plot less lame.

Meanwhile, the presumed A-plot only has Kylo, Rey and Luke (whose role will likely be small) confirmed, with Hux presumably playing a role (though whether it’s his main plot or if his main plot will be as antagonist for the B-plot instead is an open question). Unless they’re literally only going to be interacting with each other, the A-plot is going to need some additional characters for them to interact with.
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This is truth!  Granted, I cannot speak for all GA, yet not that long ago, I was GA.  It's TLJ that opened my eyes to the richness of Reylo and Bendemption.  Prior - (whoosh) - over my head.  Well, there were aspects in TFA that caused me to raise my eyebrows, yet I shrugged it off because I did not think a Heroine-Villain romance with redemption would occur.  haha

Anyway...the Knights of Ren aspect was nothing to me.  I actually thought it was an inside baseball reference for Star Wars fans because all movies with franchises have things like that.  They are built so that the GA is satisfied, yet the inside baseball items are added as a wink to the comic book fans, with a superhero franchise, as an example.  So, I thought...if anything..at most...it was that, but I did not think more about it. It is forums such as this, and as I became more interested in SW that I became aware about this Knights of Ren intrigue.

Therefore, I have a feeling most of the GA will not notice if it's built upon.  Yes, Snoke mentioned it in TLJ...but...it was a part of a very long title...so...if the GA is thinking about it; it would be an inside baseball ode.  

I truly believe JJ could drop it, and the GA will not care.
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Post by Chris24601 on Tue 28 Aug 2018, 10:45 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Narratively, and with what was set up in the books, Lando makes a lot more sense playing some small but pivotal role in Ben's plot. (There's the actual Chekov's gun of the blaster that Lando was going to leave for Ben in the Aftermath books.)
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Except this literally superfan thinking. Less than a million people, none of them general audience goers, even read “Aftermath” and even fewer of those who read it would even remember the scene you’re referring to.

It’s only a Chekov’s gun if the audience is aware of the gun hanging on the wall... otherwise it’s just something out of left field. You know what general audiences remember about Lando? What he did in ESB, RotJ and Solo; that he’s an underworld gambler, swindler and con man. That’s why having him show up with Maz (fellow underworld figure) as part of the gathering of underworld figures allied with the Resistance makes narrative sense. He’s there to give a familiar face and a bit of leadership to the pirates and outlaws.

The critical element in my estimation is that BDW’s health makes relying on his presence a gamble (sad to say, but he could pass away halfway through filming his scenes and what do they do then if it’s a pivotal role/scene?). That means they’d never use Lando for any pivotal role. Maz alone can do the familiar face for the underworld by herself if necessary. Lando adds some fan service to it if his health holds out, but Maz alone can do in a pinch without compromising the story. Who exactly is supposed to replace Lando in the suggested ‘pivotal scene’ involving the setup in one of the novels?

Bottom line the ST already got burned once by Carrie’s untimely passing. IX was supposed to be her focus film; instead they’re having to work her in using archival footage that probably isn’t at all what they intended for her (but is better than nothing). Do you really think after that they’re going to risk a critical part of the story on someone with health issues even more obvious than Carrie’s?

Maybe the blaster will play a role in some future novel once the ST characters are freed up for use there, but expecting it to play a role in IX is the same line of thinking that the superfans have about Plagueis, Thrawn or some other pet character or element from tie-in material that stuck with them. That this one element will be THE key that determines the outcome of one of the Saga films.

Sorry; just like Marvel’s cinematic universe; they’ll reference the movies in the tv shows, but the movies will NEVER reference the tv shows. At best something Dave Filoni does will be in the background of a film as an Easter Egg (ex. The Ghost from Rebels was among the Rebel ships attacking at the end of Rogue One), but those things will never be critical plot points in the films.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Tue 28 Aug 2018, 11:17 pm

@Chris24601 wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Narratively, and with what was set up in the books, Lando makes a lot more sense playing some small but pivotal role in Ben's plot. (There's the actual Chekov's gun of the blaster that Lando was going to leave for Ben in the Aftermath books.)
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Except this literally superfan thinking. Less than a million people, none of them general audience goers, even read “Aftermath” and even fewer of those who read it would even remember the scene you’re referring to.

It’s only a Chekov’s gun if the audience is aware of the gun hanging on the wall... otherwise it’s just something out of left field. You know what general audiences remember about Lando? What he did in ESB, RotJ and Solo; that he’s an underworld gambler, swindler and con man. That’s why having him show up with Maz (fellow underworld figure) as part of the gathering of underworld figures allied with the Resistance makes narrative sense. He’s there to give a familiar face and a bit of leadership to the pirates and outlaws.

The critical element in my estimation is that BDW’s health makes relying on his presence a gamble (sad to say, but he could pass away halfway through filming his scenes and what do they do then if it’s a pivotal role/scene?). That means they’d never use Lando for any pivotal role. Maz alone can do the familiar face for the underworld by herself if necessary. Lando adds some fan service to it if his health holds out, but Maz alone can do in a pinch without compromising the story. Who exactly is supposed to replace Lando in the suggested ‘pivotal scene’ involving the setup in one of the novels?

Bottom line the ST already got burned once by Carrie’s untimely passing. IX was supposed to be her focus film; instead they’re having to work her in using archival footage that probably isn’t at all what they intended for her (but is better than nothing). Do you really think after that they’re going to risk a critical part of the story on someone with health issues even more obvious than Carrie’s?

Maybe the blaster will play a role in some future novel once the ST characters are freed up for use there, but expecting it to play a role in IX is the same line of thinking that the superfans have about Plagueis, Thrawn or some other pet character or element from tie-in material that stuck with them. That this one element will be THE key that determines the outcome of one of the Saga films.

Sorry; just like Marvel’s cinematic universe; they’ll reference the movies in the tv shows, but the movies will NEVER reference the tv shows. At best something Dave Filoni does will be in the background of a film as an Easter Egg (ex. The Ghost from Rebels was among the Rebel ships attacking at the end of Rogue One), but those things will never be critical plot points in the films.
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Dude, did you just "Well, actually..." me about speculating about Lando's role?!? And compare that to the Snoke enthusiasts?!? Over innocent speculation?

I....have no words.



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Post by SkyStar on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:48 am

@Chris24601 wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Narratively, and with what was set up in the books, Lando makes a lot more sense playing some small but pivotal role in Ben's plot. (There's the actual Chekov's gun of the blaster that Lando was going to leave for Ben in the Aftermath books.)
@ISeeAnIsland
Except this literally superfan thinking. Less than a million people, none of them general audience goers, even read “Aftermath” and even fewer of those who read it would even remember the scene you’re referring to.

It’s only a Chekov’s gun if the audience is aware of the gun hanging on the wall... otherwise it’s just something out of left field. You know what general audiences remember about Lando? What he did in ESB, RotJ and Solo; that he’s an underworld gambler, swindler and con man. That’s why having him show up with Maz (fellow underworld figure) as part of the gathering of underworld figures allied with the Resistance makes narrative sense. He’s there to give a familiar face and a bit of leadership to the pirates and outlaws.

The critical element in my estimation is that BDW’s health makes relying on his presence a gamble (sad to say, but he could pass away halfway through filming his scenes and what do they do then if it’s a pivotal role/scene?). That means they’d never use Lando for any pivotal role. Maz alone can do the familiar face for the underworld by herself if necessary.  Lando adds some fan service to it if his health holds out, but Maz alone can do in a pinch without compromising the story. Who exactly is supposed to replace Lando in the suggested ‘pivotal scene’ involving the setup in one of the novels?

Bottom line the ST already got burned once by Carrie’s untimely passing. IX was supposed to be her focus film; instead they’re having to work her in using archival footage that probably isn’t at all what they intended for her (but is better than nothing). Do you really think after that they’re going to risk a critical part of the story on someone with health issues even more obvious than Carrie’s?

Maybe the blaster will play a role in some future novel once the ST characters are freed up for use there, but expecting it to play a role in IX is the same line of thinking that the superfans have about Plagueis, Thrawn or some other pet character or element from tie-in material that stuck with them. That this one element will be THE key that determines the outcome of one of the Saga films.

Sorry; just like Marvel’s cinematic universe; they’ll reference the movies in the tv shows, but the movies will NEVER reference the tv shows. At best something Dave Filoni does will be in the background of a film as an Easter Egg (ex. The Ghost from Rebels was among the Rebel ships attacking at the end of Rogue One), but those things will never be critical plot points in the films.
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Although it is sure that a lot of additional material will be left for the books and series and never touched in the movies I don’t really see how its impossible to think that one of the heroes of the OT can have a pivotal role in the life of son of his friends. Especially if reconciliation with Leia is sketchy now.
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Post by Saracene on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:15 am

I tend to agree that Lando is unlikely to play an important part in Kylo's storyline; all said and done he was a minor character in the OT and wasn't even mentioned once in the ST. He can't really be a stand-in for Leia or bear the weight of family reconciliation. Any heartwarming stuff about their relationship in the books is in the books only.
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Post by Night Huntress on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:18 am

@Saracene wrote:I tend to agree that Lando is unlikely to play an important part in Kylo's storyline; all said and done he was a minor character in the OT and wasn't even mentioned once in the ST. He can't really be a stand-in for Leia or bear the weight of family reconciliation. Any heartwarming stuff about their relationship in the books is in the books only.
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As much as I wish that he will play a key role in Ben's storyline- I agree. But I would be more than happy to be wrong about this...so let's wait and see. Approves
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 3:15 am

IMO There're two ways to approach this:

One way:
Who's Lando: a gambler, an "entrepreneur", more in minding his own business than being there for the cause. If you have that in mind: the only ST character I could see him interacting with is Maz. Same circle of people etc..

Any things in common with Poe or Finn or Rose?: NONE.

If he suddenly has changed in the man with the cause after ROTJ he would have been from the beginning in the Resistance. But he obviously hasn't been.

Second way:
Lando's personal ties: "His" ship. Chewie. Leia. The memory of Han. The GA doesn't need ANY book to get that.  

Though I honestly would like having Lando to spice up the Resistance plot which I find beyond boring - and who's better to do it than the guy like Lando, I really think they're going to use more Lando's personal ties with the Solo family, than anything else.


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Post by vaderito on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 4:19 am

The reason why I think Lando won't play an important part in Kylo's story is because, so far, they only treated OT characters as passers-of-the-torch primarily to Rey. So Rey must have at least 1 scene with an OT character where they express some admiration for her or something. I'm surprised they didn't somehow shoe-horn Yoda in a scene with Rey but he at least said she was awesome so that covers it. So Lando will be there to pass the torch onto Re(y)sistance.
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Post by LadyGaufrette on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 5:04 am

@Chris24601 wrote:
Sorry; just like Marvel’s cinematic universe; they’ll reference the movies in the tv shows, but the movies will NEVER reference the tv shows. At best something Dave Filoni does will be in the background of a film as an Easter Egg (ex. The Ghost from Rebels was among the Rebel ships attacking at the end of Rogue One), but those things will never be critical plot points in the films.
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If we are objective, I would say Saw Gerrera is a critical plot points in Rogue One, and yet he was introduced in TCW. So was the use of Kyber crystals for the Death star. In Solo, Maul is also a critical plot point and the search of fuel remind me of half of the stories in Rebels.

But I understand what you mean and those movies are spin-off. I'm not sure there are those call-backs in the sequels. It already feels like a miracle when we have prequels references, so having series or books references looks impossible. Maybe there will be something with Resistance, but I'm not sure.
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Post by Darth_Awakened on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 9:05 am

@vaderito wrote:The reason why I think Lando won't play an important part in Kylo's story is because, so far, they only treated OT characters as passers-of-the-torch primarily to Rey. So Rey must have at least 1 scene with an OT character where they express some admiration for her or something. I'm surprised they didn't somehow shoe-horn Yoda in a scene with Rey but he at least said she was awesome so that covers it. So Lando will be there to pass the torch onto Re(y)sistance.
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You're forgetting that there's another character in the ST that either had VERY IMPORTANT scenes with each one of original trio even more than Rey = and that's Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren aka Han and Leia's son aka THE Luke's nephew.
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Post by Tex on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 9:36 am

@Darth_Awakened wrote:You're forgetting that there's another character in the ST that either had VERY IMPORTANT scenes with each one of original trio even more than Rey = and that's Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren aka Han and Leia's son aka THE Luke's nephew.

^^^This right here is why I don't think @ISeeAnIsland is falling into the "Superfan" mind of thinking. Maybe we won't get a specific reference like the blaster or any other specific reference from the novels, but going off the last two films, OT characters have had important moments with or in reference to both Rey and Ben. Seems to me it's very possible that the same goes for Lando, who has important ties to the Solo family. Ties that are established on film in the OT and now in Solo.
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Post by Saracene on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 9:52 am

I'd be surprised if Lando made an appearance without a single comment about Han and Ben. But I'd expect Lando's appearance to be more like Yoda's, who makes a reference to Ben without having a scene with him.

If they didn't work Lando into the movies earlier, then it's IMO debatable how important he was ever going to be to the Solo family story, OT notwithstanding.
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Post by Chris24601 on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 10:23 am

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Dude, did you just "Well, actually..." me about speculating about Lando's role?!? And compare that to the Snoke enthusiasts?!? Over innocent speculation?

I....have no words.
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Did you “Well, actually...” me first in my speculation about Lando’s role citing plot points from books only a tiny minority of the general audience is even aware exists? Or were you just explaining your position and citing your evidence with no ill intent? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion (and cites evidence of why) doesn’t mean they are attacking you. I’m sorry you took my reply that way.

One reason the Reylo’s in general got so much right relative to the superfans with TLJ was that they were looking at theme, story structure and filming techniques in general, not at minutiae from tie-in material and how that could be woven into some sublime narrative that only the true fans will appreciate. The only stuff from tie-in material to ever go the other direction were elements that didn’t require any explanation beyond what was in the film (Saw Gerrera for example... viewers didn’t need to have seen the Clone Wars series or get a lengthy chunk of exposition to understand his role in Rogue One. The fans of the Clone Wars got a fun bonus in seeing him again, but general audiences fully understood the character without having ever seen the Clone Wars. Likewise, making the old bearded Rebel on Endor retroactively be Rex is a lovely nod to both TCW and Rebels fans, but general audiences don’t need to know that to appreciate RotJ fully).

I don’t want us to go down the same rabbit hole of mistakes that the superfans still haven’t gotten over being wrong about. Sure, Lando might be involved in Ben’s story in some way, but the suggestion that Lando was a late add while also that his role will pivotal to Kylo’s arc suggests that Kylo’s arc; THE arc that is the core of the ST; wasn’t nailed down right up until they finally got BDW to reprise Lando. The idea that they’d rewrite the Bendemption arc just weeks before filming began because they could or couldn’t get Lando back... after everything that happened with Carrie, just rings false to me.

The structure of the story is that even his own father couldn’t quite turn Ben back, but some blaster tucked away by “Uncle Lando” that hasn’t been set up in the films at all previously is going to? We have to be looking at the elements set up in the films themselves which comes down to Rey with perhaps a nudge from Leia or Luke as the keys to Ben’s redemption. Heck, for general audiences something tucked away by Han that Kylo comes across and has a chance to reflect on his past (ex. the dice in TLJ... or actually getting THE dice, not just an apparition of them in IX) would be far more compelling than anything from last-minute Lando.

My hunch is Lando shows up with Maz because he’s a scoundrel-type character and we know from the filming leaks that Chewie is involved in the gathering of the Rebellion plot... and that’s about the only meaningful reunion to be found in his return and there’s no way they’ll try to spin that he’s more important to Ben than Han, Leia or Luke (or Rey) are by having him of all people be the one to reach Ben. Heck, in terms of the lore from the films Kylo’s got more of a connection to Vader/Anakin than to Lando and Hayden is much less likely to suffer a medical complication before filming is done.

They’ve had two significant setbacks involving trying to use the OT actors (Harrison’s injury during TFA and Carrie’s death) and BDW’s health has been iffy at best. They simply cannot afford to use Lando in any role where someone else can’t be subbed into it.

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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 10:30 am

@Chris24601 wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:Dude, did you just "Well, actually..." me about speculating about Lando's role?!? And compare that to the Snoke enthusiasts?!? Over innocent speculation?

I....have no words.
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Did you “Well, actually...” me first in my speculation about Lando’s role citing plot points from books only a tiny minority of the general audience is even aware exists? Or were you just explaining your position and citing your evidence with no ill intent? Just because someone disagrees with your opinion (and cites evidence of why) doesn’t mean they are attacking you. I’m sorry you took my reply that way.

One reason the Reylo’s in general got so much right relative to the superfans with TLJ was that they were looking at theme, story structure and filming techniques in general, not at minutiae from tie-in material and how that could be woven into some sublime narrative that only the true fans will appreciate. The only stuff from tie-in material to ever go the other direction were elements that didn’t require any explanation beyond what was in the film (Saw Gerrera for example... viewers didn’t need to have seen the Clone Wars series or get a lengthy chunk of exposition to understand his role in Rogue One. The fans of the Clone Wars got a fun bonus in seeing him again, but general audiences fully understood the character without having ever seen the Clone Wars. Likewise, making the old bearded Rebel on Endor retroactively be Rex is a lovely nod to both TCW and Rebels fans, but general audiences don’t need to know that to appreciate RotJ fully).

I don’t want us to go down the same rabbit hole of mistakes that the superfans still haven’t gotten over being wrong about. Sure, Lando might be involved in Ben’s story in some way, but the suggestion that Lando was a late add while also that his role will pivotal to Kylo’s arc suggests that Kylo’s arc; THE arc that is the core of the ST; wasn’t nailed down right up until they finally got BDW to reprise Lando. The idea that they’d rewrite the Bendemption arc just weeks before filming began because they could or couldn’t get Lando back... after everything that happened with Carrie, just rings false to me.

The structure of the story is that even his own father couldn’t quite turn Ben back, but some blaster tucked away by “Uncle Lando” that hasn’t been set up in the films at all previously is going to? We have to be looking at the elements set up in the films themselves which comes down to Rey with perhaps a nudge from Leia or Luke as the keys to Ben’s redemption. Heck, for general audiences something tucked away by Han that Kylo comes across and has a chance to reflect on his past (ex. the dice in TLJ... or actually getting THE dice, not just an apparition of them in IX) would be far more compelling than anything from last-minute Lando.

My hunch is Lando shows up with Maz because he’s a scoundrel-type character and we know from the filming leaks that Chewie is involved in the gathering of the Rebellion plot... and that’s about the only meaningful reunion to be found in his return and there’s no way they’ll try to spin that he’s more important to Ben than Han, Leia or Luke (or Rey) are by having him of all people be the one to reach Ben. Heck, in terms of the lore from the films Kylo’s got more of a connection to Vader/Anakin than to Lando and Hayden is much less likely to suffer a medical complication before filming is done.

They’ve had two significant setbacks involving trying to use the OT actors (Harrison’s injury during TFA and Carrie’s death) and BDW’s health has been iffy at best. They simply cannot afford to use Lando in any role where someone else can’t be subbed into it.
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I so very much love "Uncle Wando" - yet considering all of this, if there is an ode - it will be after Ben is redeemed. Hand in hand with Rey, or arms around each other, and as they walk among the crowd in the happily ever after mode, and he crosses paths with Lando, he says "Uncle Lando" and Lando replies with "Little Starfighter" and they hug- it might be something like that because if that exchange cannot be filmed due to sad reasons, it is not an important storytelling element. However, if it happens....clutches heart.
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Post by snufkin on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 11:33 am

Look man, I'm the person who didn't believe that Lando being in IX was a done deal until Vic Mahoney posted about it on Twitter and there was an official announcement. Because I knew about his health problems and figured that there was no way LF would risk anything after Harrison Ford's near-fatal accident and Carrie's death because those incidents resulted in huge fines and insurance payouts. Plus yes, in the months before and after TLJ's release, it was very easy to go to certain hives of scum and villainy and witness very loud but 100% wrong on plot BNFs either complaining about his absence in the ST. Or my favorite, pestering Rian Johnson on Twitter about it as if he was the DM at their RPG night. Why should Lando be in the story? That's a question none of these fandom thought leaders could answer beyond "Uh, he will wear a cool cape and be a mentor to the Resistance!" The same way they spent two years arguing that TLJ would be about Luke Skywalker igniting the green, doing some cool sh*t, and mentoring Rey (his long-lost daughter, natch) along the BFG. So 99.99% of the time, when I've read "Lando should be back!" type of arguments anyplace other than here,  this is my response

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And I don't even agree that Lando's return would pull directly from that specific detail from the Wendig novels. But what I do think it's a more logical use of the character given BDW's health issues and how he's been used in the ancillary novels/Solo that Lando's connection is as a family friend and Ben's de facto godfather. If he turns up and it's just ridiculous fan service, that wouldn't surprise me because JJ did dole out cameos to his various fanboy friends like Kevin Smith and Simon Pegg. But I don't think it's the usual type of fandom 'logic' or lack thereof to believe that his appearance in IX won't be tied into the family side of things, specifically for the Solos. I'll be more surprised if he's used for fanservice versus turning up in a key role which helps Ben comes to terms with and recognizes that having "too much of his father's heart" in him is as much a legacy and power as being Force sensitive is.

Also can I just be a bit of jerk in LOL-ing over the refrain I've seen on places like Twitter about "the Reylos got it right" because that's a corollary to the argument that various BNFs had to be listened to because "he didn't buy into Rey Reylated." Which no sh*t, anybody who didn't spend their entire existence jerking off to Force lore and trivia could've figured that one out. And "Women always figure out the truth" is the line that's especially LOL-worthy from TFA because this forum got started almost entirely by female fans (and a handful of dudes) who weren't beholden to fanboys or interested in playing the "I'm not like the other fangirls, please let me into the Boy's Clubhouse" game.
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Post by Mila95 on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:05 pm

I would find it kinda strange if Han's best friend showed up and just didn't have anything to do with Han's kid who he watched grow up and who also killed Han.So I feel like even if Lando is introduced as helping the resistance he'll still get some connection to Ben if even something small like a conversation with someone about him.

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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:18 pm

Oh dear...admittedly I can be too sensitive, yet eek that this is causing tension (Lando's role in IX) among us

Hopefully, something will be officially leaked soon. If not, trust that LF and JJ are mindful of all of this (and their storytelling capabilities).
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Post by californiagirl on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:31 pm

Lando hasn't been brought up in the ST. His role is probably not the largest or most crucial. The note about his health, especially after Carrie and even Harrison, is telling as well. However, JJ didn't bring back the OT cast in TFA just for fan service. They have all had actual roles in the story. Lando might not have quite that level of importance, but old characters like Yoda aren't just brought back to go "hey, 'member this person?" They get brought back for actual plot, character development, or thematic reasons, not just fan service. He's Lando freaking Calrissian, not just some bonus bland Resistance person.

And there's been such a surge of love for the character after Solo as well, I think he'll have at least some emtional connection to the main plot, or maybe be Maz's pirate pal, otherwise there's not much point to having him in the movie at all.
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Post by LadyGaufrette on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 12:48 pm

I always saw Lando as a way to replace Leia's absence in IX. For bendemption, it would be good to have Ben bond again with his family and he is in better terms with Leia and Lando than with Han (dead anyway) or Luke (it's complicated). If Carrie was still alive, I don't know if BDW will be back, but things are like they are, so Lucasfilms had to adapt. They will use old footage of Leia, but it's not enough so they bring back Lando, the link between Ben and his family.

there’s no way they’ll try to spin that he’s more important to Ben than Han, Leia or Luke (or Rey) are by having him of all people be the one to reach Ben.

When you have problems with your family, a distant parent is sometimes very important to you because they interact with you differently. He's not the only one to reach Ben, he is just an additional piece in the puzzle to get Ben back. You can talk about the bond between Ben and Lando in the last film perfectly fine, it still will be coherent with the other movies.


"the suggestion that Lando was a late add" wasn't that just a rumor?
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Post by vaderito on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:02 pm

Ok, I'm out. That's it. IX will emphasize war over the force again. I'm sorry but I don't care.

Not that being a leader doesn’t mean Poe can’t get his hands dirty sometimes. Isaac trained with military advisors for the upcoming Netflix action film “Triple Frontier,” co-starring Ben Affleck and following a group of special-forces operatives who reunite to take down the leader of a South American drug cartel, and he wants Poe to show off some of those new skills in “Episode IX.”

It is a war movie,” Isaac says. “I mean, above and beyond, it is a movie about warriors.”

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1098291002?__twitter_impression=true

yeah, not gonna pay to see this.
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Post by whisperingwillow on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:06 pm

@vaderito wrote:Ok, I'm out. That's it. IX will emphasize war over the force again. I'm sorry but I don't care.

Not that being a leader doesn’t mean Poe can’t get his hands dirty sometimes. Isaac trained with military advisors for the upcoming Netflix action film “Triple Frontier,” co-starring Ben Affleck and following a group of special-forces operatives who reunite to take down the leader of a South American drug cartel, and he wants Poe to show off some of those new skills in “Episode IX.”

It is a war movie,” Isaac says. “I mean, above and beyond, it is a movie about warriors.”

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1098291002?__twitter_impression=true

yeah, not gonna pay to see this.
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I mean it is called Star Wars... would the film not be about war? I'm fairly certain the one constant in all Star Wars films is war. The war between these factions has been the backdrop of both films so far. We get to see the characters in the context of this war and their interactions with each other as we have in every Star Wars film.
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Post by LadyGaufrette on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:08 pm

@vaderito

His character is playing the war plot, what else do you want him to emphasize? Laughing
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Post by vaderito on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:12 pm

I'm not getting fooled again. remember when TLJ trailer looked like it would be lots of Force and very little war? Never again. I'll wait for spoilers before I decide whether the movie's worth the price of admission or even a torrent.
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:17 pm

This reminds me about the time John mentioned "it's all out war" something like that. Now, Oscar with his quote....I am thinking LF wants this emphasized now so everything else is a form of a surprise. (i.e. for now, I do think official marketing will emphasize/show Bendemption). They know the only people paying attention to such news now are SW fans/movie fans. I actually think the war mentions are for the antis. I just cannot decide if it's to trick them or a form of an olive branch.

The GA does not care, and presumes war is a part of it.
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 29 Aug 2018, 1:20 pm

@vaderito wrote:I'm not getting fooled again. remember when TLJ trailer looked like it would be lots of Force and very little war? Never again. I'll wait for spoilers before I decide whether the movie's worth the price of admission or even a torrent.
@vaderito

But in the end, TLJ strengthened Reylo and Bendemption... IX will solidify that, regardless of the Force/war mixture.

(Admittedly, I am confused about this disappointment).
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