Re: Episode IX CRACK spoiler discussion thread

[loversinthestorm]

A new crack leak in Reddit guys. Possible Episode IX title title, son of darkness. Sounds like nonsense but who knows.

https://reddit.app.link/XGI0i0xlsS

[giaciak2]

One of my favorite tories is that Rey is a laboratory work (perhaps a clone of herself) born by experiment by Palpatine or Vader himself (Do not forget the story of Darth Plegius who could bring back to life the people he loved). If the son of darkness was Rey it would be more shocking than "I am your father".
But it is also possible that a spark of light would be needed to create it ... She remains the light, while Kylo's place as Lord of the Sith begins to waver. Should be noted, despite all happened to Ben, he is not yet a Sith. He has lost everything, but he is not a sith. To put it in philosophy: The daughter of darkness has chosen light, and Ben (The son of light - Han and Leia - remember Lor Tekka says to Kylo, Remember what your parents came from, you are a son of light) can not embrace the darkness until his spark of Light (Rey) is alive. I would not want to be obvious in saying that if he didn't kill her until now ... whatever they do, the two galactic idiots can only finish in love each other. (my english )

[special_cases]

A new crack leak in Reddit guys. Possible Episode IX title title, son of darkness. Sounds like nonsense but who knows.

https://reddit.app.link/XGI0i0xlsS

@loversinthestorm

I think "SON" in title is good idea. "Son of darkness" is ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the real title.

[AhsokaTano]

Hi all ! Omg this gives me chills and you know why :
The force awakens The last Jedi Son of darkness

Wow! If it’s true !!! It completes the sentence but the Jedi is Ben all along .

[loversinthestorm]

A new crack leak in Reddit guys. Possible Episode IX title title, son of darkness. Sounds like nonsense but who knows.

https://reddit.app.link/XGI0i0xlsS

@loversinthestorm

I think "SON" in title is good idea. "Son of darkness" is ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the real title.

@special_cases

That was my reaction too, it’s so bad I wish it was true so I could watch the fandom reaction

[giaciak2]

To tell the truth, the star wars titles have always been too hermetic for me ... whatever the title will be, we will not understand its meaning up to the end credits ... (I'm talking for me)

[giaciak2]

Hi all ! Omg this gives me chills and you know why :
The force awakens The last Jedi Son of darkness

Wow! If it’s true !!! It completes the sentence but the Jedi is Ben all along .

@"Ahsoka Tano" I LOVE it!

[AhsokaTano]

@giaciak2
It’s genius ! If you take the title on it’s own it sounds like kylo is gonna be dark all the way - but it works on a deeper level - Ben solo’s awakening and call to the light and highlighting who this sequel trilogy is really about.And I love that it highlights he is the last Jedi .
it could all be faf of course but I actually hope it isn’t now.

[californiagirl]

Considering that SW titles are generally cheesy, and the title of the movie ending a 22 film arc of Marvel storytelling is Avengers: Endgame (just announced), they could give a kind of lame title and as proven by multiple franchises and people won't care.

Though I hope for something more positive and cheerful.

[Forsythia]

A new crack leak in Reddit guys. Possible Episode IX title title, son of darkness.  Sounds like nonsense but who knows.

https://reddit.app.link/XGI0i0xlsS

Could be true, but I am a bit skeptical about it because this "leak" appeared about a day after people on reddit were speculating that the title for IX could be something that was said in TFA or TLJ, because the titles for VII and VIII (or variations) were both said in TFA. Maybe someone saw this, just took a cool phrase from TLJ (Snoke: "My worthy apprentice, son of darkness, heir apparent to Lord Vader.") and claimed it was the title because it would be somewhat believable.

[LadyGaufrette]

@californiagirl
'Endgame', really? Thanksfully I'm not a fan of Marvel because I would be so disappointed.

If Son is in title, why not 'Rebirth of the Son' with a mystery on who is the son.

[tukicarreno]

I am like 99.99999% sure that title is FAF... They won't end the trilogy with such a dark title. So yeah, move along

[Forsythia]

"Son of Darkness" could also be a mystery, maybe it's referring to Kylo's son - Reylo baby confirmed

I was wondering, even though the phrase was said in TLJ and a reference to Kylo, does it make sense? He is the son of two light-siders, wouldn't that make him the "Son of Light" (or the "Grandson of Darkness")? I thought it was more of a throw-away line by Snoke to flatter Kylo, nothing that's important enough to be reused in a title.

[Moonlight13]

I don't like it that much, because I don't see Rey in that title  . As much as I love Kylo, Rey's the protagonist so the title should represent her too, in my opinion.

[nickandnora]

I actually like it.

[tukicarreno]

I don't like it that much, because I don't see Rey in that title  . As much as I love Kylo, Rey's the protagonist so the title should represent her too, in my opinion.

@Moonlight13

Exactly, plus why would they end the whole Skywalker trilogy with such a negative title? Hope this is not true..

[Kessel]

Yeah, I agree, that title is crack for sure, “Son of Darkness” sounds like the title of a vampire or horror movie. It’s not very Star Wars-y to me, and like others have mentioned, it sounds too negative and gloomy. Also, it has nothing to do with Rey.

I’d like to see the word “son” in the title referring to Kylo tho (especially in a more positive light), but I have my doubts we’ll see something like that. I think JJ will probably have a positive title that’s more general and encompassing of the saga.

[Lily Snape]

I actually like it.

@nickandnora

I do too—for a Star Wars novel. I don’t think it’s how they will end the trilogy, though.

[Chris24601]

Given the likelihood that they’ll want something in line with “Revenge of the Sith” and “Return of the Jedi,” I’ve been struggling to come up with a “R*** of the *****” type of title because I think that’s most likely.

“Revenge” and “Return” have already been used so they’re out.

“Rise” is possible, but that feels much more like a beginning than an end.

“Redemption” is probably too on the nose and spoils the ending.

I can think of two possible “R” titles that short enough and vague enough to work...

“Reign of the X” - Reign would imply a period of time that could extend into the future and doesn’t reveal whether it’s good or bad.

But the most out there and yet absolutely foreshadowed has been staring us in the face this whole time.

For an initial teaser trailer for the title picture the following read by Rey over scenes of all the past films;

First comes the day (Episode I - Boss Nass raising the victory globe)
Then comes the night. (Episode II - Clone troppers marching to war)
After the darkness (Episode III - Vader rising from the table)
Shines through the light. (Episode IV - Luke destroys the Death Star)
The difference, they say, (Episode V - Han kisses Leia)
Is only made right (Episode VI - Vader saves Luke)
By the resolving of gray (Episode VII - Kylo and Rey with sabers locked)
Through refined Jedi sight. (Episode VIII - Kylo and Rey about to touch in the hut)

Star Wars
Resolving of the Gray
Christmas 2019

Queue months of Star Wars theorists trying to figure out what “The Gray” is and how it might be resolved while Reylos laugh themselves silly as they try to twist it into anything other than Reylo and their balance of light and dark.

[AhsokaTano]

@Chris24601
I would love that ! Would be fantastic

Ok going back to the son of darkness title -am pretending to play along that this leaker did hear this title and say he did , it’s possible it’s not for IX but for some other Star Wars content ie do you remember how a lot of the fandom believed “ forces of destiny “ was the title for VIII ? Similar thing could be happening here ... or it’s complete faf lol!

[special_cases]

@Chris24601 I absolutely agree with you. Though I think it will be Reign. (Kylo Ren) But Resolving of the Gray is brilliant idea too!

[giaciak2]

What do you think about 50 shades of Reylo?

[SW_Heroine_Journey]

Off topic, yet connected - I rent streamed Saving Mr. Banks as fun homework for Mary Poppins Returns, and the following words, said by Tom Hanks (playing Walt Disney) jumped out...being that the movie is a Walt Disney Pictures release, one can say this is the philosophy of the company.

"That's what we storytellers do.  We restore order with imagination.  We instill hope again and again and again." So, did not doubt a HEA ending for IX before I watched this, but it seems more fortified now.

As an aside interesting "George Banks will be redeemed....George Banks and all he stands for will be saved." due to the words redeemed and saved - lol

Edit: If curious about the film, here is Scott Mendelson's review

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/12/06/review-saving-mr-banks-exposes-strengths-limits-of-disney-magic/#283ce52c231e

"Inside a charming facade of a "feel-good" story of how a classic movie was made, it tackles the idea of what art can do best; even while admitting that art can only do so much. Saving Mr. Banks is at its best when it is at its most honest. And for a film about Disney made by Disney, it is surprisingly honest indeed about the strengths and limitations of the Happiest Place on Earth and all of its by-products."

[motherofpearl1]

I can't help but smile whenever I hear JJ going on about IX being 'the end' of the Skywalker saga. Everyone assumes it means the end of Kylo Ren...but two things for me stand out.
Firstly no way is JJ, lover of mystery boxes, going to let slip Kylo's rage like that
And secondly....Ben/Skywalker isn't a Skywalker. He's a Solo.

[giaciak2]

@giaciak2
It’s genius ! If you take the title on it’s own it sounds like kylo is gonna be dark all the way - but it works on a deeper level - Ben solo’s awakening and call to the light and highlighting who this sequel trilogy is really about.And I love that it highlights he is the last Jedi .
it could all be faf of course but I actually hope it isn’t now.

@"Ahsoka Tano"

I like you idea, I hope in a good happy end. Other idea for title: The unity of the Force. Or the force of the One. Meaning One as Rey and Ben.