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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by californiagirl on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 4:31 pm

No title from the call. Mostly about other stuff like the shorter Oscars, ESPN, Hulu, younger actor playing Wolverine etc.

They did again note the "phenomenal" success of TLJ, in contrast to the same quarter the following year. Smile
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Post by special_cases on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 5:54 pm

@AhsokaTano wrote:Could be ... on some other leak sites people are speculating it could be watto from the prequels or ... a baby ??? If it is the latter that would tie it to prequels in that isn’t there a kidnap plot too ? Am really reaching here I know , but what if it’s a reylo baby/child kidnapped etc - it would explain delightful but controversial and both sides working together and then celebrating ? Sorry I know it sounds like fan fiction . We’ve been deprived of proper leaks for so long that now am running away with crazy ideas . Lol! Very Happy
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You are not alone, a baby was my first thought. But... I think it's some kind of weapon or something connected to the Force.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 9:11 pm

@special_cases wrote:
@AhsokaTano wrote:Could be ... on some other leak sites people are speculating it could be watto from the prequels or ... a baby ??? If it is the latter that would tie it to prequels in that isn’t there a kidnap plot too ? Am really reaching here I know , but what if it’s a reylo baby/child kidnapped etc - it would explain delightful but controversial and both sides working together and then celebrating ? Sorry I know it sounds like fan fiction . We’ve been deprived of proper leaks for so long that now am running away with crazy ideas . Lol! Very Happy
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You are not alone, a baby was my first thought. But... I think it's some kind of weapon or something connected to the Force.
@special_cases

I agree. It's not outside the realm of possibility I suppose, but IX is supposed to happen only a year after TLJ. (I think JB said something). If it is a Reylo baby, either Rey got pregnant during the force sex when they touched hands, or they got back together pretty quickly after the bad Crait break-up. I want Reylo kids like crazy, but both of those options would have to be executed perfectly for it sell well to the audience.
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Post by ZioRen on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 9:32 pm

A Reylo baby would be so damn jarring, I can't ever picture them doing it. TLJ was pretty Reylo but it wasn't THAT Reylo, good gosh. Kiss before babies, please.

I wonder if it has something to do with time travel? I'm not sure that'd be delightful (unless it allowed certain folks to be brought back to life, so to speak) but it'd certainly be controversial.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 05 Feb 2019, 11:18 pm

If Rey got pregnant from holding hands through the Force, that's like midichlorians and "he had no father." Like why have them eye f**k each other through two movies but then have her get knocked up without at least knocking boots with him?

As for the title, man wouldn't Ways of the Force be the best thing ever?
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Post by Birdwoman on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 12:27 am

Can you imagine how many heads would explode if the title was: "Ways of the Force" LOL

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Post by Mila Lazarus on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 4:33 am

@SoloSideCousin wrote:
@special_cases wrote:
@AhsokaTano wrote:Could be ... on some other leak sites people are speculating it could be watto from the prequels or ... a baby ??? If it is the latter that would tie it to prequels in that isn’t there a kidnap plot too ? Am really reaching here I know , but what if it’s a reylo baby/child kidnapped etc - it would explain delightful but controversial and both sides working together and then celebrating ? Sorry I know it sounds like fan fiction . We’ve been deprived of proper leaks for so long that now am running away with crazy ideas . Lol! Very Happy
@AhsokaTano

You are not alone, a baby was my first thought. But... I think it's some kind of weapon or something connected to the Force.
@special_cases

I agree. It's not outside the realm of possibility I suppose, but IX is supposed to happen only a year after TLJ. (I think JB said something).  If it is a Reylo baby, either Rey got pregnant during the force sex when they touched hands, or they got back together pretty quickly after the bad Crait break-up.  I want Reylo kids like crazy, but both of those options would have to be executed perfectly for it sell well to the audience.
@SoloSideCousin

I think a Reylo baby at this point would be the worst idea ever... I can see the reactions: "They used Rey as surrogate for the Skywalker legacy, so sexist!", "she had sex with him while he was still a villain, what a terrible example for our kids!" etc etc... Seriously, me the first I would hate it. I can't see Rey running to Ben between movies after what happened on Crait lol I'd like a real love story to appear on screen before the babies come. I want emotion and tears while I eat my pop corn  jocolor

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Thanks for your explanation about Aftermarth Smile I may read it somedays, it sounds interesting.


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Post by loversinthestorm on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 5:29 am

My first thought when I heard delightful and controversial was also a reylo baby but honestly I understand kylo searching for the baby (if he knew he was the father) but Rey? Has she lost her younger than 1 year child? After everything she went through? That’s more messed up than the fact they could have an baby together!

If it’s a child, it’s a random baby or it’s just a super weapon that both sides want to use (honestly, nothing delightful about that but who knows)

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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by snufkin on Wed 06 Feb 2019, 5:03 pm

The random weapon could potentially be the scrapped TFA footage with Leia which is likely to get re-purposed (it's going to be so odd seeing Carrie 3 years after her passing & how they work around that w/the story).

@Birdwoman wrote:Can you imagine how many heads would explode if the title was: "Ways of the Force" LOL
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My head would explode from excitement, that's for sure. Though to your point, I can certainly imagine the level of outrage from the fans who are still holding on to "she wants nothing to do with him, she closed the door!!!" for dear life.
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Post by Night Huntress on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 2:08 am

@snufkin wrote:

My head would explode from excitement, that's for sure. Though to your point, I can certainly imagine the level of outrage from the fans who are still holding on to "she wants nothing to do with him, she closed the door!!!" for dear life.
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I can't believe some people still think that- it's a trope just like the refused first proposal...almost every classical feminine gaze love story has it.
Pride & Prejudice, Jane Eyre, North & South etc. and variations of it are still used in many fantasy and fiction till today because it's just a great way to show character growth. Two people have feelings for each other but need to overcome their ideological differences to make the relationship work. Separation is necessary so both can change and learn from their mistakes.

regarding the reylo baby- I don't think they will go there...the only accepting way would be to show that in an epilogue. Otherwise I agree with @ZioRen it would be very jarring not just because of the "message" (because I personally don't really care about that in fiction) but from a story telling perspective it would be cheap...
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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by Teo oswald on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 4:42 am



they say the title will be   
BALANCE OF THE FORCE wrote:

an excellent title if it will be confirmed 100% Smile
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Post by Chris24601 on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:26 am

@Birdwoman wrote:Can you imagine how many heads would explode if the title was: "Ways of the Force" LOL
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It needs to be the title of a Reylo-themed porno if nothing else.

“I can show you the ways of the Force.” (Kylo stand-in waves his hand and Rey stand-in’s clothes fall off).

It practically writes itself.

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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by tukicarreno on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 8:21 am

@Teo oswald wrote:

they say the title will be   
BALANCE OF THE FORCE wrote:

an excellent title if it will be confirmed 100% Smile
@Teo oswald

But isn't this speculation from Den of Nerds? I think they get the info from Mike Zeroh, so probably not reliable
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Post by Teo oswald on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 4:30 pm

@tukicarreno

thanks Smile
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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by Mila Lazarus on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 6:17 pm

MSW is in "Episode IX mode":

Making Star Wars - Star Wars: Episode IX costume tidbits on Lando, Rey, Threepio, Black Park and more! (fan site)
https://makingstarwars.net/2019/02/star-wars-episode-ix-costume-tidbits-on-lando-rey-threepio-black-park-and-more/
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Post by YeeRees on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:07 pm

If Kylo is going back to wearing the mask and Rey is going back to her TFA 3-bun hairstyle it sounds like TFA part 2 instead of post-TLJ and 3rd and final act of the ST. Neutral I know there’s arguments to be made for character regression after what happened with Kylo and Rey at the end of TLJ but it doesn’t help with those who are convinced JJ is hitting the reset button.

I guess if it’s all first act character stuff, along with Big Bad Supreme Leader Kylo and Resistance Rey with her BFF Finn and the rest of the good people gang, that’s sort of what a lot of people are expecting. It’s hard to know at this stage because we only have a few scraps of legit sounding spoilers to work with.
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Post by TracylovesOUAT on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:32 pm

@YeeRees I'm hoping it is mainly because they are using a scene(s) between Rey and Leia from TFA...maybe an alternative / outtake to their scene together at the end of TFA...I was hoping for TLJ hair style, or even something different again, for the reasons you brought up. However, even if it is the same as TFA, it doesn't have to be that way throughout and it doesn't have to actually mean anything plot-wise. JJ seemed to really like Rey's TFA hairstyle.

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Post by Lovely_Rose on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:33 pm

Yeah, Kylo will wear the mask for the first act but MSW and other sources say he will be without for the 2nd part. For him it's supposed to show his backtracking and then humanized version by the end. For Rey I'm hopeful that MSW says her hair is back in the buns for a practical reason.

I think it makes people nervous because her hair in TLJ signified her coming into womanhood and going back to buns potentially looks like her development with herself (and Kylo) backtracked. I doubt this is the case. Remember JJ has a different style than RJ even though both most likely enjoy Reylo and did/are doing things to make it happen.

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Post by ZioRen on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:45 pm

I wonder about the extent of the "regressing". There's a lot to do and not a lot of time. I'll be honest, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they suddenly come out with an announcement that they're splitting IX in half. I hope not, but I wouldn't be shocked.
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Post by Mila Lazarus on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:56 pm

Rey coming back to her TFA hairstyle has probably a practical reason, more than anything else. I wouldn't read too much into that, really.

Lando as a Maz-like character is... exactly what I imagined he would!
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Thu 07 Feb 2019, 7:58 pm

@Lovely_Rose wrote:Yeah, Kylo will wear the mask for the first act but MSW and other sources say he will be without for the 2nd part. For him it's supposed to show his backtracking and then humanized version by the end. For Rey I'm hopeful that MSW says her hair is back in the buns for a practical reason.

I think it makes people nervous because her hair in TLJ signified her coming into womanhood and going back to buns potentially looks like her development with herself (and Kylo) backtracked. I doubt this is the case. Remember JJ has a different style than RJ even though both most likely enjoy Reylo and did/are doing things to make it happen.
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An early regression for both is not surprising IMO.  Both let themselves become extremely vulnerable, especially Kylo with his proposal and "please", when both were used to a very guarded existence, and for her a fairly naive way of life, that probably existed for them just 10 days before, at the very most.  Then it all blew up.  So I can see them retreating to their corners.  I just hope that the regression doesn't last too long, and I hope that they are shown to be thinking about each other in a sad, longing way while in that regression.

Also, regarding Rey coming into her womanhood, I think that she got spooked.  She was all getting into his personal space with "I'll help you", but when he gave her that sexually charged look of "I want you right now," she looked at him for second, freezing in place, staring back, but then she abruptly turned and ran away and started with her "The fleet" business.  She realized how he felt and that he wanted to be with her, and for that quick second, she looked back at him too, but then got overwhelmed and scared of the sexual possibility there, and ran to the screens.  I think that in IX she will be ready to handle his desire and her own.


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Re: Episode IX: Spoilers and Rumors

Post by snufkin on Fri 08 Feb 2019, 12:04 am

@Night Huntress Oh those comments are almost always somebody's personal expectations because they don't like a certain character or direction the story went in. Or if they're sincere about it, they're confusing it with the Cautionary Tale. Or the type of storywhere a young woman has to figure out who she is as a person as part of coming-of-age, independent of being somebody's daughter or girlfriend/wife. Movies like Ladybird and Ruby in Paradise are great examples.

If the writing for IX suddenly pivoted to either of those tropes after 2 movies and the amount of detail they've put into a relationship with parallel (traumatic) life experiences, I don't know how they could pull it off successfully. Because on paper that sounds so bad, they may as well have kept Trevorrow's screenplay!

I do think that while they are touching on those examples of classic literature, like Jane Eyre leaving Thornfield Hall to finally stand on her own as nobody's servant, it's the same for Rey. She had to slam the door in his face but it won't stay closed. It'll be open again after she's gone out further into the world to gain more life experiences and develop more relationships as part of growing up. Which BTW is the theme of the television series JJ and Keri Russell first met on, Felicity.
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Post by Man Without A Star on Fri 08 Feb 2019, 3:12 am

@Mila Lazarus

As much as I dont like the 3 bun hairstyle, the TFA visual dictionary says that the hairstyle is of simple design for desert survival, it makes sense with them being in Jordan.
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Post by loversinthestorm on Fri 08 Feb 2019, 5:20 am

Hey so I was watching Strange Magic yesterday and wow so many parallels ! And the end (with what happened with the bog king) is exactly what I expect for kylo too.

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Post by tukicarreno on Fri 08 Feb 2019, 10:16 am

Also that dude of Den of Nerds in his Knights of Ren video, is now thinking JJ might retcon Reylo, he goes back and forth with that. He says their stories obviously will be intertwined in IX, but that most likely the romance is not in the cards for them.. Ugh..

Just because there hasn't been any sighting of Adam and Daisy together on set, people are starting to panic...

On the contrary, I actually think it bodes well for Reylo, JJ has been keeping them a top secret for a reason, and there hasn't been any reliable leaks about them lately. So.. Yeah, I refuse to worry prematurely. study
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