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Post by AhsokaTano on Sat 19 Oct 2019, 1:31 am

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That book visionaries is amazing . What’s interesting is in my version the last page says end not fin ( it means the same anyway). Am
going to post close up versions of it so you can see how wonderful it is . One particular painting is almost like the Sistine chapel (you can’t see the whole thing in the tweet )but also what’s interesting is that you could see it as an endless circle of creation .Initial Peace,then a spark , which leads to fight/war , eventual unity which leads to the Big Bang ( cosmos and biological so in every sense of the word lol)and life. Masculine & feminine combined . The elemental symbols of fire and water are in the final piece of art too in the two triangles that make up the star . Together Rey and Kylo make up the energy of the force and a star . How this is going to translate on screen have no idea but It’s going to be epic . They are the force incarnate trying to show us how it works .
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And some close ups of those pictures so you can see what’s going in the “cells” of the cosmos with the clash of masculine and feminine energy providing the energy until you get one Big Bang in their union at the end :
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I do now recall - I think it was FOOLS a few years back in a cracked leak Saying that Rey and Kylo’s kiss literally created life ie as in the flowers & trees started growing etc . Am not saying that’s going to happen but it does reinforce the idea that they are the force incarnate and on a god level so am expecting to see magical, odd things .

One other thing I wanted to say too is if you look
At the original meaning of Sith it’s a journey( it’s an archaic term no longer used ) . Matt Martin said recently in a tweet that the film will give context to term Sith . It’s also associated with the passion of Christ .
So that’s interesting when you think also that the meaning of life in Hitch hiker’s guide to
The galaxy is 42 . And this number comes up in other works of art and media ( Spider-Man for instance ) .So what does it mean- the meaning of life is ... death - it’s opposite ( see below what the number is associated with ). Moreover in 1977 Star Wars began and its interesting that 42 years later The Rise of Skywalker ends the journey of the skywalkers. Star Wars like many faiths has been telling us for ages to not fear death and that it’s just like a transition from one state to another . Most religions and myths deal with this - perhaps that’s why Star Wars is regarded as sacred amongst a lot of fans because it delves deep
into these questions about life and death .Just some food for thought.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sat 19 Oct 2019, 2:19 pm

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Now for a Rey Kenobi throwback theory... The Cross. Here aresome excerpts from the ....https://theboywhocan11.tumblr.com/post/162017185902/rey-kenobi-a-da-vinci-code-theory-analysis

Tumblr blog. I at the time thought it was a very interesting take... I think that the blogger was on the right track.

Rey Kenobi - A Da Vinci Code Theory Analysis June 2017
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Okay, yes…this is going to sound like a conspiracy theory and why is the “Da Vinci Code” being thrown in with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Rey Kenobi (Theory). But, please hear me out…

Disclaimer: The following post covers a fringe theory. A fringe theory is defined as a theory that is not based entirely within the Official Star Wars Canon lore. The purpose of this fringe theory is to go over a what-if scenario in regards to the subject of interest at hand. This post is not to advocate for any certain perspective, but instead it is to educate an alternative point of view in regards to characters and/or events in the Star Wars Lore (both Canon and Legends). The focus of this theory would be using the Dan Brown’s Novel “The Da Vinci Code” and various related material in this fringe theory analysis.
(1) First things first, what is the “Da Vinci Code”?
Da Vinci code refers to a list of hidden clues found in Leonardo Da Vinci’s work all of which seems to point to the idea that Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene got married and had descendants.
(2) What’s going on with the Da Vinci Code in Dan Brown’s book, “The Da Vinci Code?”
The novel “The Da Vinci Code” “explores an alternative religious history, whose central plot point is that the Merovingian kings of France were descended from the bloodline of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, ideas derived from Clive Prince’s The Templar Revelation (1997) and books by Margaret Starbird. The book also refers to The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (1982) though Dan Brown has stated that it was not used as research mterial.”

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code
In other words, in Dan Brown’s “The Da Vinci Code,” the descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene formed the Merovingian Knights and thse Knights protect this knowledge from various opponents who were against the idea that Jesus and Mary had children.

Furthermore, “The existence of the bloodline was the secret that was contained in the documents discovered by the Crusaders after they conquered Jerusalem in 1099 (see Kingdom of Jerusalem). The Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar were organized to keep the secret.”
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code
In the novel, “The Da Vinci Code,” The Priory of Sion knew of the latest descendant of Jesus and Mary and thus kept the identity of the descendant a secret.
(3) How does this particular “Da Vinci Code” theory mean and/or tied to the sequel trilogy and the Rey Kenobi Theory?
(To read more - go below the cut)
The relatives of Kenobi/Kryze family (predominately the Kryze) family helped form some Mandalorian organization (like Knights Mandalore or Mandalorian Knights or even another iteration of the “Mandalorian Protectors” who were mentioned in Star Wars Rebels) who were assigned to protect the bloodline of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Satine Kryze.
It can be speculated that either this Mandalorian Knights group also formed the Knights of Ren either by Force via Snoke or by choice in order to stay alive when the First Order went after this particular group who were harboring a powerful child. A child who is a blend of Jedi and Mandalorian heritage.
Like in the Dan Brown novel that explores the idea that the Merovingian Knights are the descendants of Jesus/Mary - this particular group of “Mandalorian Knights/Protectors” may have blood ties to this Kenobi/Kryze bloodline.
(4) The possibility of another group knowing about the secret Kenobi/Kryze bloodline besides some Mandalorians???
Further note: As mentioned in the “Da Vinci Code” novel, “The Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar were organized to keep the secret.”

Now, what if the Knights of Ren also knew about this bloodline and under the leadership of Kylo Ren and were to going to keep the Kenobi/Kryze bloodline a secret as well. But, how so you may ask. Well, if Kylo Ren was having visions of a Rey (but not yet confirmed Kenobi), he, as leader of the Knights of Ren, wants to keep Rey (after finding about her and knowing she’s powerful based on her heritage) so Kylo and Rey can become the…“Renperor and Renpress” of the Galaxy in their image. This would happened after overthrowing Snoke. A Skywalker and a Kenobi ruling the galaxy together - like Husband and Wife.  
Side Note: The possible direct descendant of Kenobi/Kryze bloodline is Korkie Kryze.
If anyone is familiar with the history of Constantine and the Byzantine Empire that later adopted the Christian Belief system that Constantine saw a symbol in the clouds. That symbol he saw was: Chi Ro.
XP or this symbol

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Now, take a closer look at this X (chi) P (rho) symbol. It sounds like it has “K” and “R” sound as in. Also, as you guessed it:
Kylo Ren (K R)
(Kira) Rey (K R)
Kylo Ren’s namesake is Ben as in Ben Kenobi. But, his dark side name is Kylo Ren with its initials K R for X (chi) P (rho).
In speaking of Khristos (Christ), Obi-Wan Kenobi has been seen within Star Wars Fandom as “Space Jebus.”  Or, the “Space Jebus” who fell in love with a Mandalorian woman whos surname, Kryze, sounds similar to “Christ.”
Source: https://www.howtopronounce.com/kryze/
Source: https://www.howtopronounce.com/christ/
(Above) Here is the picture posted on various Tumblr blogs about Obi-Wan Kenobi being confused as Space Jebus.
Make it really more odd, the actor (Ewan McGreggor) who plays Obi-wan Kenobi also played Jesus Christ in a film called “Last Days in the Desert”.
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Moving on…in the Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code, Leonardo Da Vinci’s “Last Supper” painting has an “M” shaped outline over Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene, indicating marriage between Jesus Christ and Mary.
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In Star Wars, this “M” can be tied to the fact that “Space Jebus” Obi-Wan Kenobi had an intimate relationship with the “M” andalorian Duchess, Satine Kryze. “M” for marriage…”M” for Obi-Wan Kenobi marrying his love for “M” for “Mandalore’s” Duchess Satine Kryze.
Furthermore: there is a connection between the Merovingian Knights and certain sub-groups of the Knights Templar Order who are aware of this Holy Bloodline of Jesus/Mary Magdalene.  
Now, make this even more striking. In one Da Vinci Code Documentary, there is a symbol for the Knights Templar. That symbol is the hooked X.
According to [Scott] Wolter, the symbol that he associates with the Holy Bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene.”
Source: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/scott-wolter-apparently-solves-mystery-of-hooked-x-but-not-the-way-he-thinks-he-did
If look at the TFA poster upside down, you can see a similar symbolism right there.
First, see below.
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Above) Here is the Hooked X symbol used by the Knights Templar.
Dan Brown’s Da Vinci Code Story: The Jesus/Mary Descendant and her brother
(1) In the Da Vinci Code book by Dan Brown, the female descendant of Jesus/Mary has a sibling.
“It is revealed that Neveu and her brother are descendants of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. The Priory of Sion hid her identity to protect her from possible threats to her life.“
Link:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code
Based on this above quote, there could be a group of people trying to keep the Kenobi/Kryze bloodline a secret and may even know about Rey and any of her siblings (if Rey had any) to the point in keeping Rey and her siblings’ identities a secret.
Also, yes…there are various clues, such as Rey and Obi-Wan shared same force sounds, the Obi-Wan Theme in Rey’s Theme, and other hidden references indicating a connection between Rey and Obi-Wan Kenobi. However, there is NO other clues like what’s being presented in the “Da Vinci Code”, such as the Hooked X symbobl.
(3) That hooked X symbolism in the TFA poster is just a coincidence. There is no other “hooked X” symbol anywhere in the official Star Wars lore. Ever
Also, even though Kylo Ren’s costume is similar to a Knights Templar group called the “Hospitaller Knights,” such similarity does not warrant the Hooked X symbol in the TFA poster as proof about Rey Kenobi.
“The Hospitaller uniform was black with a white cross, though some of the lower-ranking soldiers had red uniforms, too. Templars and Teutonic Knights (other crusading orders) wore white uniforms with a red and black cross respectively, but otherwise similar in shape. The long, flowing tabbards worn over armour are definitely associated with the various orders of crusader knights, and the crossguard shape of the lightsaber brings the association home.
Here, Kylo seems to be wearing a combination of a longer surcoat and a shorter tabbard, both of them very Mediaeval in design“

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Source: https://a-shipper-despite-herself.tumblr.com/post/136412523874/kylo-ren-and-the-holy-war

(4) There have been many criticisms against Dan Brown’s take on the Da Vinci code that such criticisms warrants not to take this particular “Kenobi Code” Theory seriously.

In conclusion:  
Are various iterations of the Rey Kenobi Theory a credible theory? Yes, they are. Is Dan Brown Da Vinci Code the key to unlocking the Rey Kenobi (Kenobi Code) theory as definite proof that Rey is a Kenobi? Maybe…but that’s up to debate. More information would be needed from various sources to confirm that Rey is definitely a Kenobi besides using the “Da Vinci Code” as proof and/or using it to prove that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Satine Kryze indeed had a secret a child.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Wed 23 Oct 2019, 5:24 am

Obi Wan Kenobi... Let go of your conscious self!

Now this is where our tarot work starts to pay off... both Rey & CP30 will recover memories.. CP30 is sacrificing himself.

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The hanged man's hair is like the iceberg under the water.. the subconscious mind is where enlightenment about self and the universe is to be found

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The Hanged Man is the only Tarot card visibly based on a mythological figure. He is Odin, the Norse god who hung from the World Tree for nine days to earn the knowledge of the Runes. Of all the cultures who embody the search for knowledge in their myths, only Odin carries out his quest without moving, at least in the physical sense. The true quest is seeking within, not without. This may be confusing at first, but only because the Hanged Man is the card of the paradox. The Hanged Man's mysteries are some of the oddest yet most enlightening the Tarot has to offer, and they cannot be learned by searching for lessons in the physical world - you must turn within.

Even the appearance of the card is paradoxical. Simple in design, it is one of the more complex Arcana. The lessons it offers are easy to understand but hard to accept when they apply to you. The most obvious answer to a problem may be the simplest, but it is rarely the best. To admit that you are afraid will give you the strength to conquer your fear. When you relinquish your desire for control, everything begins to work as it should. In a world in which you must run as fast as you can to stay where you are, the Hanged Man tells you to stop struggling - and you can move forward. Tell this to others and it seems obvious; try to do it yourself and it will become impossible.

Why is this? Telling others that they have to hang from a tree is simple, but no one wants to hang himself. The Hanged Man, however, has hung himself, and see how much wisdom he has found! Despite his obviously uncomfortable position, he is often pictured as smiling, and with a golden halo around his head to show divine inspiration and power. He is totally vulnerable to the world, and in his vulnerability he has found strength. The sacrifice he has made is his own freedom and power in the physical world; in exchange, he is granted real freedom and power on the spiritual plane. He gives up his old ways of looking at things and is blessed with new eyes.

Not all sacrifices have to be like this, of course. Each moment of your life you make sacrifices. By choosing to eat with a friend rather than eating alone, you sacrifice your solitude. Choosing to play a sport professionally means that you cannot play another as frequently. Choosing one job means that you have to sacrifice any desires for another job, at least for the time being. The only thing in common between all sacrifices is that you give up something you have in exchange for something you want, of equal value. The sacrifice is meaningless unless there is balance and purpose behind it. To give without intent is worse than giving too much or too little.

As the card of the paradox, the Hanged Man also urges you to look at things in a new and different way. If your mind is yelling at you to do something, then doing nothing could be the best thing to do. If something is important to you emotionally but it no longer serves a purpose, you might want to think about letting go of it. And don't try to force anything to happen while the Hanged Man is about. By trying to force changes, you ensure that they never happen. Relax and let things happen instead of trying to interfere. Instead of fighting against the current, let it take you wherever it is flowing.

When the Hanged Man appears, know that greater wisdom and happiness is at hand, but only if you are prepared to sacrifice something for that wisdom. Sometimes it is something physical you must be deprived of, but in most cases it is a perspective or a viewpoint that must be left behind. For example, a fantasy that you can never fulfill, or a crush on someone who's out of your reach. Inevitably, sacrificing something you value will always lead you to something even more valuable. In the wake of an unattainable dream you will find something else within your reach. Forgetting about one love will allow your heart to open to someone else.

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Post by AhsokaTano on Fri 01 Nov 2019, 11:38 am

Wow really interesting about the iceberg and ocean of consciousness. Wow ! Star Wars has so many layers it’s wonderful . The imagery is clear and that’s what the saga keeps striving to tell us as you say @spacebaby45678 ie letting go of our conscious self and all the fears and prejudices and anything that holds us back from becoming what we are meant to be . Smile

I found something in my Star Wars desk calendar which could be absolutely nothing but thought I’d share because it is odd .
So for Halloween ( when heaven and earth are supposedly wedded and death/hades/devil is meant to rule ) we have kylo masked , for all saints day 1st November we have Luke with his flaming laser sword of light ( like the angels of space with their flaming swords ) and on 2nd November all soul’s day we have a storm trooper . Finn ???
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sat 02 Nov 2019, 12:55 pm

@AhsokaTano look up! It is always all in the stars...

Ostara (Vernal Equinox) – Sun at 0° Aries
Beltane – Sun at 15° Taurus
Litha (Summer Solstice) – Sun at 0° Cancer
Lammas – Sun at 15° Leo
Mabon (Autumn Equinox) – Sun at 0° Libra
Samhain – Sun at 15° Scorpio
Yule (Winter Solstice) – Sun at 0° Capricorn
Imbolc – Sun at 15° Aquarius


Samhain.. Summer's end.. is the beginning of winter/death... Scorpio.. Kylo Ren.. Death Card.. Scorpio/ Eagle/Phoenix...
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Post by MrsWindu on Mon 04 Nov 2019, 5:09 pm

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I saw a short discussion on Twitter about the relevance of the stars above Kylo’s head in this poster. As they’re in a triangular formation it could point to the 3 moons of Tattooine or the twin suns ? Would you have any thoughts on this ? (I can’t un-see the heart shaped cracks though)

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Both Rey and Obi-wan fell into water.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Mon 04 Nov 2019, 5:38 pm

@MrsWindu wrote:@spacebaby45678

I saw a short discussion on Twitter about the relevance of the stars above Kylo’s head in this poster. As they’re in a triangular formation it could point to the 3 moons of Tattooine or the twin suns ? Would you have any thoughts on this ? (I can’t un-see the heart shaped cracks though)

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I defiantly see the heart on Kylo's Helmet... How can you miss that!?!? cheers

The triangle.. is it the binary stars..? It is an unusual planetary formation.. I would guess that it could likely be the twin stars...


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Post by spacebaby45678 on Mon 04 Nov 2019, 5:56 pm

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Both Rey and Obi-wan fell into water.
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mmm.. yes both Obi Wan and Rey fall into the water.. it is their baptism into a new life.. for Obi Wan the end of his life of a Jedi and the beginning of his life as Ben a hermit an exile.. For Rey this is the change from her adolescence to her burgeoning womanhood...


What I find interesting about the trailer is the card that it is associated with...the hanged man...

In ESB Luke is hung upside down in that movie no less than 4 times... In ESB Luke tells Yoda.. I am not afraid.. and Yoda famously tells him.. "you will be.. You will be...

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What Luke feared and what Luke discovered was intimately tied together

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When it is shown that Vader has Luke's face, this is to represent Luke's own fear of becoming as evil as Vader (if this scene occurred a movie later, it would more likely represent his fear of becoming like his father...

Star Wars.com is telling Rey


Don't be afraid of who you are....I find that quite interesting... considering the spoilers..

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is star wars giving Rey the message to embrace her inner Palpatine? No! It is telling her there is something good at the end of the road.. keep fighting don't be afraid inside for who you really are..



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Post by spacebaby45678 on Mon 18 Nov 2019, 10:35 am

@giaciak2 wrote:Girl I see a fish and one snake. The fish is spiritual symbol and snake represent inner change.

I believe that all these symbols are telling us that everyone can change and choose the way of good. And that all paths fit into a movement divided between light and darkness that rotate on themselves in a perennial cycle. But the way of spirituality and balance are the way to salvation.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 08 Dec 2019, 3:44 am

@spacebaby45678 wrote:Happy Easter everyone! This is Resurrection Sunday sunny  sunny  And we know the real reason we are all here!   Kylo Ben Organa Skywalker Solo... king  king  Redemption Bendemtion cheers  I prefer Sacrifice & Resurrection....  Sad Get your tissues ready ladies for TROS... AD is going to kill it. Sad  Sad

"let the past die kill it if you have to that's the only way to become what you were meant to be"
                                                                                         From the wise sayings of Kylo Ren
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Well, The Wheel of Fortune Card is here to deliver the GOOD NEWS!  cheers Rey & Kylo each representing two of the Angelic Cherubim (tetramorph) which are symbols for the Four Royal stars. I have not focused much of my attention on Kylo/Ben so today Easter Sunday/Resurrection Sunday  is the right day to give give Ben Solo his due, or predict his future based on his two Stars, Antares & Aldebaran, but mostly Antares which is the star in the heart of the Scorpion. Believe it or not, Star Wars is a modern day telling of the Gospel in the stars. Not exactly like the Bible but it is close enough and the Skywalkers are without a doubt a representation of Jesus the Christ and at times the anti-christ but that is another story for another day. I mean who would have thunk, that GL would actually use "stars" to tell a story about Star Wars  Laughing  EP9,  The Rise of Skywalker, what does it mean??? affraid Rey is a Skywalker..  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes #reykenobi... Razz How Scorpio tells the story of Kylo's transformation back to Ben Solo...

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Scorpio is associated with three different animals: the scorpion, the snake, and the eagle (or phoenix). The snake and eagle are related to the nearby constellations of Ophiuchus and Aquila  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpio_(astrology)

The Tarot Card that corresponds or is associated with the Eagle/Phoenix/Scorpion on the Wheel of Fortune Card is the Death Card 13
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Upright card (keywords): Endings,  Profound change, Letting go of attachments, Failure, Mortality The exact themes of TLJ...  Surprised

Almost all versions of the Death card show a symbol of resurrection or re-birth. This could be the rising sun, an egg, or a sapling sprouting from the body of a dead man. All these symbols show that to progress in life, our old form must die, just as a snake sheds its old skin to reveal a shiny new one. This is the message of the card: Death must be conquered by the regeneration of the soul, and he who knows this shall live forever.

Kylo's original Topps Card was 67.... 6 +7 =13, which gave me that original clue that Star Wars characters matched and had attributes from Tarot.

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However,  before we get to, Aquila/Phoenix/ let's go back to Ophiuchus, the constellation that has his foot on the heart of the Scorpion, this is Kylo/Ben being his best self...

Ophiuchus The Serpent Holder (pronounced off-ee-YOO-cuss) represents a man with a snake coiled around his waist. He holds the head of the snake in his left hand and its tail in his right hand. The snake is represented by a separate constellation, Serpens. The Greek spelling of the name was Ὀφιοῦχος (Ophiouchos).Ophiuchus holds a huge snake (SNOKE) , Serpens, in both hands as shown in the Atlas Coelestis of John Flamsteed (1729). Serpens is unique in being divided into two halves. Serpens Caput  Very Happy

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As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man [Aquarius], and the face of a lion [Leo], on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox/bull [Taurus] on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle/phoenix [Scorpio]. (Ezekiel 1 verse 10).

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Saint John’s book of the Apocalypse (Revelation 4, v7) also alludes to the vision, of which Fred Gettings, in The Secret Zodiac, writes:

The eagle of St John is the eagle of Scorpio, which sign (alone of all the twelve) has two images, the eagle the symbol of the redeemed and spiritualized Scorpionic nature, the scorpion its fallen, unredeemed and earth-bound nature.

The Eagles Talon's leaves a scar as a sign of resurrection.. there are other heroes and anti-heroes who die and rise... Of course there is Grandpa Anakin
The story of his scar has not been told, just he seems to get one in between AOTC & ROTS... but this scar pre-sages or is symbol of his future resurrection at the end of ROTJ

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Jon Snow from GOT is another great example, an eagle attacks him and leaves a scar, he dies and resurrects.

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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows is another great example and shares many motifs with Kylo. Harry's scar left by Voldemort is a clue to his "death" and "Resurrection", both Harry & Kylo are Ophiuchus The Serpent Holder as their main adversaries are Snoke & Voldemort i.e. Serpens.. Harry meets Dumbledore at King's cross station... this is an allusion to the Crucifixion, and of course Dumbledore founded the Order of the Phoenix/Eagle to defeat Voldemort.


The Phoenix is the transformational symbol of Scorpio. Like the Eagle, in ancient times the Phoenix was a symbol of the Sun that was said to live for 500 years. At the end of its life it built a funeral pyre and burned in the flames, only to regenerate its progeny from those very flames.


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Kylo, will transcendence from the crawling scorpion to the soaring eagle, still predatory, still conveying the essence of patience and penetration, but capable of flight and height, brings together the theme of destruction and renewal as a story of evolution.

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1 Corinthians 15:55-57 King James Version (KJV)
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

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Spacebaby out... I am off to Sunrise service...

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REG .. TROS is about the resurrection of the spirit... I have no doubt.. that he is talking about Kylo/Ben

And there is Ophicus... We have him in association with Kylo which begs the question who is the true jedi?

Mythology of the constellation Ophiuchus. OPHIUCHUS, The Serpent Holder, is associated with Aescupalius, the noted healer of Greek legend. His mother Coronis was courted by the god Apollo and she eventually became pregnant. However, this did not stop her falling for a mere mortal, Ischys by name.
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Post by AhsokaTano on Sun 15 Dec 2019, 1:55 pm

Hey all, Really wasn’t sure where to put this but have been mulling over this for a while now and even more so after seeing the trailers . So it’s Christmas season at moment , season of light , hope and at beginning of December the Isaiah readings started at my church . Don’t know how familiar anyone here is with Isaiah but it’s about signs , portents , coming of the messiah ( chosen one ). It’s the Hebrew Old Testament . Anyway the reading was about this:

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I always have Star Wars on the brain so immediately thought of Kylo and Vader . Moreover today it was about the word and John ( Jacob /Jakku /jack other names for John ) being the witness to the events of the word who Is the chosen one /messiah and the disciple he loved . Rey is associated with Another John too as someone who says they are no one ( obi wan, Rey and John the Baptist are associated with saying they are no one - Rey’s head in one of the posters too looks like she’s going to be decapitated count Dooku style just like John the Baptist was beheaded ).
So talking about “ the word” Star Wars decide to
Release a tv spot today with Palpatine saying this will be the final “Word “in the story of Skywalker. We know Ben too is lover of the word as the scribe with his calligraphy set. The word is also associated with metatron which we’ve mentioned here before .

Ok so yes the above may all be coincidence and Star Wars borrows from a lot of religions and myths . So what ? I decided to read Isaiah whole thing for clues last night and I was kind of shocked at what I found . Yes the whole thing is about warfare and coming of the Lord ( chosen one /messiah )and you can interpret it differently but if you take it from a Star Wars perspective there’s a lot there :-
- there is the pit and the one who rises does so only to be caught in a snare
- there is the lord who pulls the ships from the sky ( just like palps is rumoured to be doing With force lightning )
- there are the lords trusted knights he goes into battle with
- a warning for the rebellion from the mouth of the lord ( made me think about the mouth of sauron and yes it says rebellion )
- there is the serpent creature too whose mouth will
Open and devour and lead to Sheol( the creature seen in the trailer )
- we are told the land of ghosts will give birth ( Star Wars galaxy is a land of force ghosts , no one really gone)
- there’s even an Orion constellation reference which in some ancient cultures is the doorway to the beyond
- there’s an archer leading a
Calvary with horses
- a bridge in the sea ( of the abyss ) where the redeemed can cross ( a portal ? A bridge like the bi frost of Asgard? World between worlds? )
- the lord of hosts or the lord sabaoth - interesting name - suggests one body many faces - this ties in with the hero concept of Joseph Campbell but also explains a divine entity ( spirit? ) and why he seems to have different faces /avatars ? “ I am every voice you have ever heard palps tells kylo. Is it kylo’s own voice too?

Anyway just some ideas from the reading from a Star Wars point of view . What is interesting is the lord in Isaiah renames his beloved - gives her a new name . He is wedded to her and it’s clear she is his and doing his will as he made /built her . Yes it could be me reaching and trying to find a little bit of hope for the members of this forum but I remember Daisy Ridley saying this film was about religion a few days ago , that the love of the force is explored and then few days ago Star Wars twitter tweeted something with Adam driver all
Wet in the rain fight of TROS and with the caption I find your lack of faith disturbing . Maybe we shouldn’t doubt . Yes there are deeper themes going on here as it’s dealing with spiritual themes but we have to remember rey and kylo aren’t your average human being . Things will be different for them including love and unless we except what they have will transcend anything we see in ordinary movies then it’s going to be difficult. Stay positive everyone . Love conquers all I love you. THE ST, TROS, & TAROT - Page 6 B2d40c10THE ST, TROS, & TAROT - Page 6 E7471710THE ST, TROS, & TAROT - Page 6 F4398010
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Post by reylo1992 on Sun 15 Dec 2019, 4:43 pm

@AhsokaTano Thank you for this post sunny
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Sun 15 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm

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That book visionaries is amazing . What’s interesting is in my version the last page says end not fin ( it means the same anyway). Am
going to post close up versions of it so you can see how wonderful it is . One particular painting is almost like the Sistine chapel (you can’t see the whole thing in the tweet )but also what’s interesting is that you could see it as an endless circle of creation .Initial Peace,then a spark , which leads to fight/war , eventual unity which leads to the Big Bang ( cosmos and biological so in every sense of the word lol)and life. Masculine & feminine combined . The elemental symbols of fire and water are in the final piece of art too in the two triangles that make up the star . Together Rey and Kylo make up the energy of the force and a star . How this is going to translate on screen have no idea but It’s going to be epic . They are the force incarnate trying to show us how it works .
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And some close ups of those pictures so you can see what’s going in the “cells” of the cosmos with the clash of masculine and feminine energy providing the energy until you get one Big Bang in their union at the end :
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I do now recall - I think it was FOOLS a few years back in a cracked leak Saying that Rey and Kylo’s kiss literally created life ie as in the flowers & trees started growing etc . Am not saying that’s going to happen but it does reinforce the idea that they are the force incarnate and on a god level so am expecting to see magical, odd things .

One other thing I wanted to say too is if you look
At the original meaning of Sith it’s a journey( it’s an archaic term no longer used ) . Matt Martin said recently in a tweet that the film will give context to term Sith . It’s also associated with the passion of Christ .
So that’s interesting when you think also that the meaning of life in Hitch hiker’s guide to
The galaxy is 42 . And this number comes up in other works of art and media ( Spider-Man for instance ) .So what does it mean- the meaning of life is ... death - it’s opposite ( see below what the number is associated with ). Moreover in 1977 Star Wars began and its interesting that 42 years later The Rise of Skywalker ends the journey of the skywalkers. Star Wars like many faiths has been telling us for ages to not fear death and that it’s just like a transition from one state to another . Most religions and myths deal with this - perhaps that’s why Star Wars is regarded as sacred amongst a lot of fans because it delves deep
into these questions about life and death .Just some food for thought.
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Post by spacebaby45678 on Mon 16 Dec 2019, 1:09 pm

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As per usual Topps is on it with numbering .. Dark Rey is 12

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Even the appearance of the card is paradoxical. Simple in design, it is one of the more complex Arcana. The lessons it offers are easy to understand but hard to accept when they apply to you. The most obvious answer to a problem may be the simplest, but it is rarely the best. To admit that you are afraid will give you the strength to conquer your fear. When you relinquish your desire for control, everything begins to work as it should. In a world in which you must run as fast as you can to stay where you are, the Hanged Man tells you to stop struggling - and you can move forward. Tell this to others and it seems obvious; try to do it yourself and it will become impossible.
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