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Post by Dar-ren19 on Sun 23 Jun - 18:21

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I know Pablo's taken this philosophy so far that he sort of disregards and makes fun of almost everyone, but also, he's totally right here. Thumbs up
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well, Pablo is also the king of deleted tweets, so I think he should at least own up and proffer THAT strategy to the losers he's advising.

Oh, and @"SW_Heroine_Journey -- agreed on the hut scene. The union of their hands over the fire... yup, according to at least ONE culture (Hindu), that's a sacred marriage ceremony with the uttering of the vows -- You are not alone/Neither are you. In other words, we are not alone, but together. I dare an anti to deconstruct this. Laughing
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Post by Starliteprism on Mon 24 Jun - 16:42

@Dar-ren19 wrote:
@californiagirl wrote:Discussions: Tweets/Instagram - Page 8 Scree515
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I know Pablo's taken this philosophy so far that he sort of disregards and makes fun of almost everyone, but also, he's totally right here. Thumbs up
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well, Pablo is also the king of deleted tweets, so I think he should at least own up and proffer THAT strategy to the losers he's advising.

Oh, and @"SW_Heroine_Journey -- agreed on the hut scene. The union of their hands over the fire... yup, according to at least ONE culture (Hindu), that's a sacred marriage ceremony with the uttering of the vows -- You are not alone/Neither are you. In other words, we are not alone, but together. I dare an anti to deconstruct this. Laughing
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Probably about 10 years back, attended my hubbie's uni friend's Hindu wedding and the main thing I recall was the numerous times the couple had to go around a fire, linked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_wedding
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Mon 24 Jun - 20:06

Per Sleemo https://twitter.com/sleemo_/status/1143344700239355904

"Germain says that @jjabrams & Lucasfilm wanted to be at SDCC again but they couldn’t figure out how to top their panel from 2015, which featured the full cast & creators of The Force Awakens + a surprise concert. So they’re saving everything for D23. #StarWars #TheRiseOfSkywalker"

i.e. (only my theory) - they could not figure out how to have amazing panels at BOTH SDCC and D23 (it involves actors'/actresses' schedules/availability, etc), so they decided on D23.
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Post by AhsokaTano on Tue 25 Jun - 1:46

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You know I did think after the hut scene that Rey and Kylo are now technically married by the force because of what you’ve said above about Hindu wedding ceremony that they are bound to one another - that it was just done in a different way to Attack of the Clones ( because there are many ways to marry ) and that they were joined by the force /creator in a simpler way which is meant to be at the heart of religious marriage ceremonies , uttering the vows over the fire and joining hands ( without the lavishness of weddings now ). If we are moving towards a simpler way of life , a more feminine society rather than masculine one of order, structure and ceremony than this would make sense . Moreover Luke trying to break up the union reminded me of the phrase “ let no man put asunder what God has joined together “. Luke (like the disapproving father figure or Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet ) trying to stop the wedding is too late - Rey and Ben are married , they’ve tied the knot metaphorically and literally and are now joined as husband and wife . Wow it would be great if they referenced this in Rise of Skywalker ie had a scene where maybe Kylo /Ben is asked about his marital status and he says that he’s already taken and married and us here will know he means Rey Smile or if they do a flashback to Han and Leia’s wedding and we find out that their wedding was the same ( we are not shown Leia and Han’s wedding ceremony only Anakin and Padme’s but we know they were husband and wife because we are told that they are ).. Smile
Also in terms of love token that the lover gives his beloved - Han gives Leia a hand made doll he made ( which is referenced at his simple funeral in last Jedi novel when it shows up there )and Anakin the jappor snippet necklace/charm which is buried with Padmé . If we are indeed moving away from the masculine world of law , order and structured ceremony and towards a more feminine world vision or ethereal realm /paradise then things will get simpler as they move back to the beginning before lives were more complicated. So maybe Ben will give Rey a charm ( the skywalker saber might even count as this to be honest as it’s in two halves now ) or maybe the biggest gift he can give her is himself( which he kind of has been doing already by letting Rey download his powers and take whatever she needs from him force power wise as stated in Last Jedi novel ) and if the resurrection leaks prove true than that’s an even greater gift for his beloved than a necklace or keepsake to remind you of your other half because the greatest gift would be to have your beloved with you forever .

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I wonder if they will be able to get everyone for D23? It would be wonderful i they did . Do you know when SDCC is ? Can’t wait for more official Star Wars content . Smile



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Post by nana7marie on Tue 25 Jun - 3:17

@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:Per Sleemo https://twitter.com/sleemo_/status/1143344700239355904

"Germain says that @jjabrams & Lucasfilm wanted to be at SDCC again but they couldn’t figure out how to top their panel from 2015, which featured the full cast & creators of The Force Awakens + a surprise concert. So they’re saving everything for D23. #StarWars #TheRiseOfSkywalker"

i.e. (only my theory) - they could not figure out how to have amazing panels at BOTH SDCC and D23 (it involves actors'/actresses' schedules/availability, etc), so they decided on D23.
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That’s what I took out of it as well - either it’s difficult for everybody to be available at both events, or (and?) they didn’t want to do similar stuff in such a short time frame, so they decided to have fun at their own gig instead.
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Post by Dar-ren19 on Tue 25 Jun - 3:51

@Starliteprism yep. I'm Hindu by birth and that was the very first thought in my mind as soon as I saw the hut scene. That they are now married in the Force.
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Tue 25 Jun - 6:16

@AhsokaTano wrote:@Starliteprism
You know I did think after the hut scene that Rey and Kylo are now technically married by the force because of what you’ve said above about Hindu wedding ceremony that they are bound to one another - that it was just done in a different way to Attack of the Clones ( because there are many ways to marry ) and that they were joined by the force /creator in a simpler way which is meant to be at the heart of religious marriage ceremonies , uttering the vows over the fire and joining hands ( without the lavishness of weddings now ). If we are moving towards a simpler way of life , a more feminine society rather than masculine one of order, structure and ceremony than this would make sense . Moreover Luke trying to break up the union reminded me of the phrase “ let no man put asunder what God has joined together “. Luke (like the disapproving father figure or Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet ) trying to stop the wedding is too late - Rey and Ben are married , they’ve tied the knot metaphorically and literally and are now joined as husband and wife . Wow it would be great if they referenced this in Rise of Skywalker ie had a scene where maybe Kylo /Ben is asked about his marital status and he says that he’s already taken and married and us here will know he means Rey Smile or if they do a flashback to Han and Leia’s wedding and we find out that their wedding was the same ( we are not shown Leia and Han’s wedding ceremony only Anakin and Padme’s but we know they were husband and wife because we are told that they are ).. Smile
Also in terms of love token that the lover gives his beloved - Han gives Leia a hand made doll he made ( which is referenced at his simple funeral in last Jedi novel when it shows up there )and Anakin the jappor snippet necklace/charm which is buried with Padmé . If we are indeed moving away from the masculine world of law , order and structured ceremony and towards a more feminine world vision or ethereal realm /paradise then things will get simpler as they move back to the beginning before lives were more complicated. So maybe Ben will give Rey a charm ( the skywalker saber might even count as this to be honest as it’s in two halves now ) or maybe the biggest gift he can give her is himself( which he kind of has been doing already by letting Rey download his powers and take whatever she needs from him force power wise as stated in Last Jedi novel ) and if the resurrection leaks prove true than that’s an even greater gift for his beloved than a necklace or keepsake to remind you of your other half because the greatest gift would be to have your beloved with you forever .

@SW_Heroine_Journey
I wonder if they will be able to get everyone for D23? It would be wonderful i they did . Do you know when SDCC is ? Can’t wait for more official Star Wars content . Smile



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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Tue 25 Jun - 6:20

@nana7marie wrote:
@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:Per Sleemo https://twitter.com/sleemo_/status/1143344700239355904

"Germain says that @jjabrams & Lucasfilm wanted to be at SDCC again but they couldn’t figure out how to top their panel from 2015, which featured the full cast & creators of The Force Awakens + a surprise concert. So they’re saving everything for D23. #StarWars #TheRiseOfSkywalker"

i.e. (only my theory) - they could not figure out how to have amazing panels at BOTH SDCC and D23 (it involves actors'/actresses' schedules/availability, etc), so they decided on D23.
@SW_Heroine_Journey
That’s what I took out of it as well - either it’s difficult for everybody to be available at both events, or (and?) they didn’t want to do similar stuff in such a short time frame, so they decided to have fun at their own gig instead.
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Aso, perhaps the powers that be felt some pity for the event planners. lol I was involved with that, and planning two big events such as those, within a month of each other (give or take), is enough to send people to the hospital, or at minimum - want more time off. haha So, for everyone involved, indeed - easier to plan for only one. Also, because D23 is Disney, I imagine there was less overhead to worry about. Likewise, with SDCC, they probably had to be involved with that more (or completely) because they are leasing/'purchasing' the Hall, time, etc.
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Post by 12 Parsnips on Tue 25 Jun - 7:47

@Dar-ren19 wrote:@Starliteprism yep. I'm Hindu by birth and that was the very first thought in my mind as soon as I saw the hut scene. That they are now married in the Force.
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They might be married, but poor Ben is definitely sleeping on the couch at the moment. lol!

Here's hoping the bride and groom patch things up by the end of TRoS. Wink
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Post by snufkin on Tue 25 Jun - 10:55

@12 Parsnips Oh he's totally sleeping on the coach during the time jump between the two movies and for likely most of TROS until it kicks into the final confrontation. But at the same time, that joke reminds me again of the original backstory Kasdan had written for the PT which gets the barest of references in RotJ, what happened to Luke and Leia's parents? Because in that story, the wife isn't down with her husband being the Jedi Killer and working on behalf of the DS/Emperor. She takes the kids (actually fakes the family's entire death) and goes to work on behalf of the other side as a spy for the Rebel Alliance under the guise of Breha's handmaiden. Which sure feels close to what they're headed towards in the final act of the story, especially with old timers involved in the writing.
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Post by 12 Parsnips on Tue 25 Jun - 11:42

@snufkin wrote:@12 Parsnips Oh he's totally sleeping on the coach during the time jump between the two movies and for likely most of TROS until it kicks into the final confrontation. But at the same time, that joke reminds me again of the original backstory Kasdan had written for the PT which gets the barest of references in RotJ, what happened to Luke and Leia's parents? Because in that story, the wife isn't down with her husband being the Jedi Killer and working on behalf of the DS/Emperor. She takes the kids (actually fakes the family's entire death) and goes to work on behalf of the other side as a spy for the Rebel Alliance under the guise of Breha's handmaiden. Which sure feels close to what they're headed towards in the final act of the story, especially with old timers involved in the writing.
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Wow, I had no idea Kasdan had written a backstory like that. Was it more or less his own headcanon, or did the cast kind of use it as a reference too? What did George think of it?

Very interesting implications for TRoS...
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Post by snufkin on Tue 25 Jun - 11:59

@12 Parsnips It's from JD Rinzler's Art of Return of the Jedi and came from story discussion transcripts of the story discussions Lucas and Kasdan had in 1981 w/the director

‘Star Wars’ Prequels Were Mapped Out By George Lucas & Lawrence Kasdan In 1981: Exclusive Excerpt From ‘The Making Of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi’

George Lucas wrote:Luke’s father gets subverted by the Emperor. He gets a little weird at home and his wife begins to figure out that things are going wrong and she confides in Ben, who is his mentor. On his missions through the galaxies, Anakin has been going off doing his Jedi thing and a lot of Jedi have been getting killed—and it’s because they turn their back on him and he cuts them down. The president is turning into an Emperor and Luke’s mother suspects that something has happened to her husband. She is pregnant. Anakin gets worse and worse, and finally Ben has to fight him and he throws him down into a volcano and Vader is all beat up.

Now, when he falls into the pit, his other arm goes and his leg and there is hardly anything left of him by the time the Emperor’s troops fish him out of the drink. Then when Ben finds out that Vader has been fished out and is in the hands of the Empire, he is worried about it. He goes back to Vader’s wife and explains that Anakin is the bad guy, the one killing all the Jedi.

When he goes back his wife, Mrs. Skywalker has had the kids, the twins, so she has these two little babies who are six months old or so. So everybody has to go into hiding. The Skywalker line is very strong with the Force, so Ben says, “I think we should protect the kids, because they may be able to help us right the wrong that your husband has created in the universe.” And so Ben takes one and gives him to a couple out there on Tatooine and he gets his little hideout in the hills and he watches him grow. Ben can’t raise Luke himself, because he’s a wanted man. Leia and Luke’s mother go to Alderaan and are taken in by the king there, who is a friend of Ben’s. She dies shortly thereafter and Leia is brought up by her foster parents. She knows that her real mother died.

He’s Tried to Leave ‘Star Wars’ Before. Will This Be It?

Lawrence Kasdan wrote:There were many times over the ensuing years when George [asked] me to be involved in all three [prequels]. He said, “Hey, how would you like to write such-and-such?” I said, “George, aren’t you supposed to start shooting in two weeks, in Australia?” He said, “Yeah, but it’s not too late.” I was at the first screening of “The Phantom Menace.” And it was just so different that I didn’t really know what to make of it. It had no connection, in my mind, to what we had done. Your eyes are just like, what? How does this work?

I'd have to dig further but there's a quote about Padme in the original backstory posed as a handmaiden for Breha Organa while working as a spy for the Rebel Alliance, which is likely where the handmaidens of Naboo came from. But what's also interesting in the transcript is the comment about the family line being strong. Because my bet is that detail from RotJ when Obi-Wan tells Luke why he and Leia were separated/hidden because of their Force powers being a threat to the Emperor is going to come back with how Han and Leia didn't realize Ben was vulnerable (because they all thought the Emperor was 100% gone). It's not a coincidence that JJ and KK have talked about it being a 9 chapter story and a culmination.

tl:dr Ben was more vulnerable than his mother because he wasn't hidden, the Emperor had a whole plan for how to save/resurrect himself unlike the master he murdered once he'd gained that knowledge, and Ben and Rey's relationship is meant to be like the original idea Lucas and Kasdan (who gosh, both met with JJ about TROS) for Anakin and Padme being lovers serving on the opposite side of a conflict where he was the Jedi Killer.
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Post by Birdwoman on Tue 25 Jun - 12:08

Wow, that is really interesting!

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Post by 12 Parsnips on Tue 25 Jun - 13:09

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Thank you for those links! I'll definitely dig into that info. It's even more interesting because all those scenes in RotS in which Padme plays a key role in the burgeoning rebellion were cut... SW doesn't like to waste any ideas, does it? Very Happy
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Post by snufkin on Tue 25 Jun - 14:00

@12 Parsnips Speaking of which, a mutual is posting quotes about RotS production from the Making of.... Besides a quote about how "she broke with him because she realized he cared more about consolidating power than saving her." (tl;dr why Rey slams the door in Ben's face & at the start of TROS has written him off) is this quote to go with the RotJ one about offspring

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@Birdwoman  Remember back in the day when Lucas said it was meant to be 9 chapters of one story covering multiple generations? It's even mentioned in the OT wrap episode Siskel and Ebert did on their show.

Seriously though, it was published in HuffPo after the Disney sale and picked up by all the different nerd affiliated sites for clickbait articles. You'd think (hope?) that at least one person writing for those outlets would've had a lightbulb go off over their head and start to puzzle through how these details are all linked and will be the finale of the ST/Saga.
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Post by Dar-ren19 on Tue 25 Jun - 21:18

@12 Parsnips wrote:
@Dar-ren19 wrote:@Starliteprism yep. I'm Hindu by birth and that was the very first thought in my mind as soon as I saw the hut scene. That they are now married in the Force.
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They might be married, but poor Ben is definitely sleeping on the couch at the moment. lol!

Here's hoping the bride and groom patch things up by the end of TRoS. Wink
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Tue 25 Jun - 21:25

@snufkin wrote:@12 Parsnips Speaking of which, a mutual is posting quotes about RotS production from the Making of.... Besides a quote about how "she broke with him because she realized he cared more about consolidating power than saving her." (tl;dr why Rey slams the door in Ben's face & at the start of TROS has written him off) is this quote to go with the RotJ one about offspring

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@Birdwoman  Remember back in the day when Lucas said it was meant to be 9 chapters of one story covering multiple generations? It's even mentioned in the OT wrap episode Siskel and Ebert did on their show.

Seriously though, it was published in HuffPo after the Disney sale and picked up by all the different nerd affiliated sites for clickbait articles. You'd think (hope?) that at least one person writing for those outlets would've had a lightbulb go off over their head and start to puzzle through how these details are all linked and will be the finale of the ST/Saga.
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All that you are revealing to us are treasures! Furthermore, it illustrates how you are far superior to most (perhaps all) entertainment journalists because it's rather sad that none have done this.
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Post by Teo oswald on Wed 26 Jun - 9:13

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Post by californiagirl on Wed 26 Jun - 10:10

Our buddy Lindsey Romain just discovered:

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"There has been an AWAKENING.... leading them to THE LAST JEDI. If SKYWALKER returns, the new Jedi will RISE." Smile
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Post by snufkin on Wed 26 Jun - 12:20

Yeah what was I saying about how a lot of these writers seem to have missed out on what should be some pretty obvious details in terms of how the ST is referring back to the previous two trilogies as part of bringing things full circle? Or at least they're hedging bets until the movie actually comes out and then will pitch themselves as having figured it out (3 years after supposedly delusional fangirls did).

I mean this is not a f**king coincidence in terms of how both scenes are Kasdan's writing and set up the central conflicts for their respective trilogies. "We have a new enemy...there's been a disturbance/awakening..." and meanwhile both sides are playing the other by lying in what they say to one another. Give Ben a round of applause at least for actually doing what Vader wanted to do in that scene but never quite pulled off.

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Post by Kylo Rey on Wed 26 Jun - 18:09

Rian Johnson strikes yet again, for approximately the #693531387th time.

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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 26 Jun - 19:45

@Kylo Rey wrote:Rian Johnson strikes yet again, for approximately the #693531387th time.

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Haha! I LOVE that he liked her tweet about this article! (chef's kiss)
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