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Post by rey09 on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 4:47 pm

So Girls with Sabers retweeted this guy, he is awesome! A older dude father, he actually loved TROS however he does like reylo and most important to him is Ben Solo. He doesn't believe he's gone. Says not until I see a force ghost. He's citing all the vergeance stuff in the visual dictionary. Totally recommend! He's super passionate about bendemption. Saw he wrote something for younger his son too.

https://twitter.com/AaronQuinton78/status/1211529904816304128




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Post by lauvamp on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 5:02 pm

@rey09

I'm glad to see open minded guys around! Very Happy There is another I recommend, he is a writer https://twitter.com/alexjkane
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 5:17 pm

He, it's uplifting to see so many guys are into it.
If one thing is really annoying me, it's that they keep banging on about toxic masculinity and abusive ships.

If there is anything toxic in this it's femininity. I'm genuinely disturbed by all this 'strong women don't need men' rubbish.
People need each other. Of course we need men'. Men need women. Those of us who are gay or lesbian need their partners. We are pack animals by nature but we need the stability of a loving relationship.
As for 'abusive'......oh please.
Who gets hurt? Not Rey. Rey doesn't getca slashed face and shoulder. She doesn't get stabbed in the stomach while unarmed.

You want Reylo to be an abusive ship? Fine. But Kylo isn't the abusive one.

For all this c*** about strong womanhood these toxics have failed to realise that by their own reasoning, women can be as abusive as men. Kylo isn't an abuser, he's a victim.

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Post by rey09 on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 5:56 pm

That guy actually brought up something that I was thinking, in the movie palps says about the dyad he hasn't seen in generations; they made revan canon too, so perhaps revan bastilla (revastilla? XD) were a previous dyad. That stuff is fascinating, wonder if disney is smart enough to explore this. Probably not LOL.

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Post by DeeBee on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 4:28 am

I'm hoping to get back to this thread over the weekend. Great idea this thread!
At the moment, I'm thinking the decision was made that, to end the skywalker saga, they had to obliterate the bloodline. I think they thought they could do this and still have a hopeful ending.
[IMHO Spectacular Fail!]
I wonder if GL had always seen the 9 movie saga ending that way too.

Did the Skywalker bloodline have to die? Rolling Eyes
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Post by guardienne on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 6:53 am

@DeeBee personally i find the obsession with blood lines rather ... iffy. i hope that i would have been able to invest in the characters without them being related to anyone. i would have loved for the audience to struggle with investing in kylo ren as a separate dark lord and rey as his soul mate. wouldn't that have been interesting enough?

anyway, so, sod the skywalkers tbh.
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Post by Teo oswald on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 8:44 am

Ben Solo didn't have to die for me,
I wouldn't have wanted them to follow the old path, redeem him  and then sacrifice him for another person. However let's look at how they reduced the other characters in this trilogy, even if for me it is not a trilogy because it lacks everything, they have no respect for their characters and  the old ones? no comment .  The heart and love for this franchise is missing.
Now the ending is open .... unless soon they say that Ben Solo is dead, I have doubts.
What do we know about the ghost of force?
Obi and Luke are gone but we saw them later as ghosts of the force , the same thing as Leia even if for some strange reason she didn't disappear immediately and this fact is connected to Ben in my opinion.
Ben is gone, it's a fact, but where did his ghost come from?
It would have been nice to see him with his family on Tatooine. Don't you show him to me? then I think he's hidden somewhere ... lol!
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Post by Teo oswald on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 8:56 am

@rey09 wrote:So Girls with Sabers retweeted this guy, he is awesome! A older dude father, he actually loved TROS however he does like reylo and most important to him is Ben Solo. He doesn't believe he's gone. Says not until I see a force ghost. He's citing all the vergeance stuff in the visual dictionary. Totally recommend! He's super passionate about bendemption. Saw he wrote something for younger his son too.

https://twitter.com/AaronQuinton78/status/1211529904816304128



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that's right, this guy said some very interesting and logical things.
moreover, they could bring back the Skywalkers, just like Kennedy said. Mark and Adam. If not with movies,
with comics or books. pick one
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Wed 08 Jan 2020, 9:42 am

@Teo oswald wrote:Ben Solo didn't have to die for me,
I wouldn't have wanted them to follow the old path, redeem him  and then sacrifice him for another person. However let's look at how they reduced the other characters in this trilogy, even if for me it is not a trilogy because it lacks everything, they have no respect for their characters and  the old ones? no comment .  The heart and love for this franchise is missing.
Now the ending is open .... unless soon they say that Ben Solo is dead, I have doubts.
What do we know about the ghost of force?
Obi and Luke are gone but we saw them later as ghosts of the force , the same thing as Leia even if for some strange reason she didn't disappear immediately and this fact is connected to Ben in my opinion.
Ben is gone, it's a fact, but where did his ghost come from?
It would have been nice to see him with his family on Tatooine. Don't you show him to me? then I think he's hidden somewhere ... lol!

What annoys me is the hate for TFA and TLJ centred around how the OT cast were treated. They didn't like the idea of Luke, Han and Leia making mistakes. To me it simply made them human. Neither Han or Leia were really suitable to be good parents, both were too wrapped up in their own lives. Luke was a Jedi first and foremost. Yet the characters were treated with respect.
Kylo wasn't. He was sacrificed on the altar of Rey's godhood. The pity is.....Han died trying to save his son. Luke gave his life not only saving his sister but preventing his broken nephew from having any more of his family's blood on his hands.
If, as someone suggested, the original ending had Leia dying to revive her son with the last of her life force it would have been a lovely send off for her.

But no. Another thing sacrificed on the altar of Saint Rey the Glorious, the Pure and the Sanctimonious.

Ugh.
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Post by grimbergen on Sat 11 Jan 2020, 3:49 pm

I only know that every time I see the scene where Ben falls back and he just disappears I say unbelievable: what the f****!
and I've seen that scene a hundred times.
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Sun 12 Jan 2020, 7:51 am

Which is why I find it so.... wrong.
When Darth Vader died, he had a beautiful scene whewithre he looked upon his son with his own eyes. They said their farewells. Luke wept. He built a pyre for his father. At the end, he joined his friends and sister celebrating but there was a lingering sadness about him, until he saw the Force ghosts.

Ben died. And that was it. No mourning, no mention of his sacrifice. No Force ghost. This is why I am convinced something was changed. I just want to know why.
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