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Post by Tex on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 1:03 pm

@vaderito wrote:Lord and Miller firing announcement is definitely timed to take heat off CT.
@vaderito

And here we thought CT was in hot water. Little did we know that LF was ready to kick Lord and Miller to the curb. What a turn of events. Shocked  I'm finding all the "Han Solo Film is cursed" stuff on Tumblr hilarious. Personally, This film wasn't really something I wanted to begin with. It seemed like it was catering to a very specific section of the fan base.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 3:54 pm

You know it's funny ... Today I have a free day because my child is with my MIL and my clients did not present any dramas to me this morning, so I thought about going to the movies after a doctor's appointment. So I went to fandango, which shows all the RT scores, and tbh BoH was not the worst rated one out there. Two major movies were in worse shape. Transformers had 14% and The Mummy had 15%. The Mummy has freaking Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe in it. Further, they were showing BoH at some of the local art theaters. All of a sudden cheap little BoH looked like no problem compared to the disastrous behemoths that are Transformers and Mummy.

Honestly, there is something seriously wrong with the big business of movies today. I remember summers where there were lots of movies worth seeing and now there are like 3 worth paying for at the multiplex.
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Post by Tex on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 4:05 pm

@SoloSideCousin wrote:You know it's funny ... Today I have a free day because my child is with my MIL and my clients did not present any dramas to me this morning, so I thought about going to the movies after a doctor's appointment. So I went to fandango, which shows all the RT scores, and tbh BoH was not the worst rated one out there. Two major movies were in worse shape. Transformers had 14% and The Mummy had 15%. The Mummy has freaking Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe in it. Further,  they were showing BoH at some of the local art theaters. All of a sudden cheap little BoH looked like no problem compared to the disastrous behemoths that are Transformers and Mummy.

Honestly,  there is something seriously wrong with the big business of movies today. I  remember summers where there were lots of movies worth seeing  and now there are like 3 worth paying for at the multiplex.
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Stay safe out there! It's a true summer movie dumpster fire. If only TLJ had come out this summer we wouldn't be pulling our hair out.

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Post by snufkin on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 10:57 pm

It feels like a pile on at this point, but Esquire's review kicks off that "I feel like I've been mugged by a Decemberists song," which is pretty f**king hilarious.
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Post by vaderito on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm

@Tex wrote:

And here we thought CT was in hot water. Little did we know that LF was ready to kick Lord and Miller to the curb. What a turn of events. Shocked  I'm finding all the "Han Solo Film is cursed" stuff on Tumblr hilarious. Personally, This film wasn't really something I wanted to begin with. It seemed like it was catering to a very specific section of the fan base.
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Exactly. Bad reviews blow over soon enough (already) but directors who won't cooperate with the scribe and the producer don't. That's what stops the production, not whether unrelated movie has under 20% at RT.
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Post by vaderito on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 7:04 am

BTW, Hidden Figures has more running in heels than anything in JW. All those progressive uber-smart NASA heroines run in their heels again and again and again. Especially Katherine. 

Point is, women do run in heels, nothing unusual, regressive, etc.
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Post by Guest on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 9:07 am

The problem with the female characters in Jurassic World wasn't about Claire running in heels. Lots of women choose to dress that way and Claire wasn't looking to get stuck into the flora and fauna like Ellie Satler. The regressive part was all the crap about her needing to get in touch with her maternal side and get together with Owen. None of the other female characters fared much better, except maybe the one in the control centre who got to tell her male colleague she already had a boyfriend when he made a move on her.

Anyway, Jurassic World is on Netflix UK now so I'm going to rewatch it and see if it's as awful as I remember.

ETA - Colin Trevorrow was on the Empire Movie Magazine podcast https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/878304901004226562 He speaks in a heartfelt way about the criticism Book of Henry recieved.

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Post by motherofpearl1 on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 10:12 am

@SoloSideCousin wrote:You know it's funny ... Today I have a free day because my child is with my MIL and my clients did not present any dramas to me this morning, so I thought about going to the movies after a doctor's appointment. So I went to fandango, which shows all the RT scores, and tbh BoH was not the worst rated one out there. Two major movies were in worse shape. Transformers had 14% and The Mummy had 15%. The Mummy has freaking Tom Cruise and Russell Crowe in it. Further, they were showing BoH at some of the local art theaters. All of a sudden cheap little BoH looked like no problem compared to the disastrous behemoths that are Transformers and Mummy.

Honestly, there is something seriously wrong with the big business of movies today. I remember summers where there were lots of movies worth seeing and now there are like 3 worth paying for at the multiplex.
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I'm disappointed that the Mummy is apparently no good; I liked the trailers. Loved Dead Men Tell No Tales, mixed reviews or not, but I'm a fan of the Pirates franchise anyway!
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Post by Tex on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 3:05 pm

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:The problem with the female characters in Jurassic World wasn't about Claire running in heels. Lots of women choose to dress that way and Claire wasn't looking to get stuck into the flora and fauna like Ellie Satler. The regressive part was all the crap about her needing to get in touch with her maternal side and get together with Owen. None of the other female characters fared much better, except maybe the one in the control centre who got to tell her male colleague she already had a boyfriend when he made a move on her.

Anyway, Jurassic World is on Netflix UK now so I'm going to rewatch it and see if it's as awful as I remember.

ETA - Colin Trevorrow was on the Empire Movie Magazine podcast https://twitter.com/empiremagazine/status/878304901004226562 He speaks in a heartfelt way about the criticism Book of Henry recieved.
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Speaking of this. I'm hiding the below in case some people haven't seen the movie.

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Post by AceofWands on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 3:16 pm

@vaderito wrote:BTW, Hidden Figures has more running in heels than anything in JW. All those progressive uber-smart NASA heroines run in their heels again and again and again. Especially Katherine. 

Point is, women do run in heels, nothing unusual, regressive, etc.
@vaderito

The hills are actually the least of JW's problems. It's actually a pity that the discussion centered on that. It just dilutes the issue and gets silly.

Same thing with Colin Trevorrow. It's a pity that the discussion turns to the lack of women directors. Being a man is not CT's fault, and is certainly not why people don't want him.

That said, some mediocre or bad directors, and creators, sometimes have a spur of brilliance. Maybe that will be the case with Episode IX. Otherwise, I'm sure it will be garbage. And yeah, "Disney will intervene" does not solve the issue. Movies made by committee are lackluster.

OTOH, Han's movie sets up a precedent!  Very Happy  And I even wonder if the announcement to replace the directors was not rushed due to Colingate, as a way to reassure fans that they have their eyes on the franchise, and if a director messes up, they will do something.

As to BOH... Well, it's a movie that basically infantilizes a grown woman and portrays her as incapable of living without a man. CT didn't write it, but he chose to direct it. He wasn't given the script by a studio. This script must have spoken to him on a personal level... I don't even want to think what level.

From my part, I'll wait and see the movie, but I have a hard time imagining me being excited for a movie directed by Colin Trevorrow.

But of course, complaining makes no difference.

@Tex, it didn't disturb me when I watched it, but I thought it was pointless. Frankly, in that movie there are so many deaths that I wasn't emotionally involved with any danger, and being not emotionally involved, it came out as sort of goofy and ridiculous. But then, perhaps it is goofy and ridiculous making fun of the woman?



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Post by Millicent the Cat on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 4:30 pm

@Tex wrote:Speaking of this. I'm hiding the below in case some people haven't seen the movie.

Spoiler:
Was anyone else disturbed by the graphic maiming of the self-absorbed nanny/ female assistant character that did a poor job of watching the kids? Goes along with the strange theme of punishing women for being bad mothers.

@Tex

Spoiler:
In an interview, Colin starts to say that the character 'earned' that death by being a bridezilla, then he does a sort of 180 in the middle of his statement and instead says something about 'subverting' tropes by having the death be completely undeserved. My personal take is that the death was a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children, but then he realized that most people aren't gonna see it that way so he backpedaled.
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Post by AceofWands on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 4:43 pm

@Millicent the Cat wrote:
@Tex wrote:Speaking of this. I'm hiding the below in case some people haven't seen the movie.

Spoiler:
Was anyone else disturbed by the graphic maiming of the self-absorbed nanny/ female assistant character that did a poor job of watching the kids? Goes along with the strange theme of punishing women for being bad mothers.

@Tex

Spoiler:
In an interview, Colin starts to say that the character 'earned' that death by being a bridezilla, then he does a sort of 180 in the middle of his statement and instead says something about 'subverting' tropes by having the death be completely undeserved. My personal take is that the death was a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children, but then he realized that most people aren't gonna see it that way so he backpedaled.
@Millicent the Cat

Either way it's bad. Punishment for that is... uh... no words for that.

Subverting tropes? Uh, not really. There are expectations and conventions that you can't just ignore. Brutal deaths are deserved in this type of movie. The audience knows that and feels that. Innocent people dying is horrific and other characters and the situation should horrify the viewers. That's how you hook your audiences emotionally. That's why I thought it was just stupid and pointless.

At the end of the day, whether it's a noob "subverting tropes" idea or a very, very childish "let's take revenge on woman", it comes out as silly and immature, from a director who doesn't have mileage to gauge how to set up his movie in order to get an emotional response.

Not everyone dislikes JW, but I haven't heard a single person saying they were, at any moment afraid or on the edge of their seats. I think the movie is not horrible because Chris Pratt is super charismatic and it's enjoyable to see him on screen.
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Post by Saracene on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 4:52 pm

I'm pretty certain that if that character was a male instead, absolutely no one would have batted an eye at his death or felt disturbed.
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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:53 pm

@Millicent the Cat wrote:
@Tex wrote:Speaking of this. I'm hiding the below in case some people haven't seen the movie.

Spoiler:
Was anyone else disturbed by the graphic maiming of the self-absorbed nanny/ female assistant character that did a poor job of watching the kids? Goes along with the strange theme of punishing women for being bad mothers.

@Tex

Spoiler:
In an interview, Colin starts to say that the character 'earned' that death by being a bridezilla, then he does a sort of 180 in the middle of his statement and instead says something about 'subverting' tropes by having the death be completely undeserved. My personal take is that the death was a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children, but then he realized that most people aren't gonna see it that way so he backpedaled.
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If it really is...

Spoiler:
...a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children... then that could be a really bad sign for what he'd do with Leia's character...
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Post by IoJovi on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 5:56 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Millicent the Cat wrote:
@Tex wrote:Speaking of this. I'm hiding the below in case some people haven't seen the movie.

Spoiler:
Was anyone else disturbed by the graphic maiming of the self-absorbed nanny/ female assistant character that did a poor job of watching the kids? Goes along with the strange theme of punishing women for being bad mothers.

@Tex

Spoiler:
In an interview, Colin starts to say that the character 'earned' that death by being a bridezilla, then he does a sort of 180 in the middle of his statement and instead says something about 'subverting' tropes by having the death be completely undeserved. My personal take is that the death was a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children, but then he realized that most people aren't gonna see it that way so he backpedaled.
@Millicent the Cat

If it really is...

Spoiler:
...a revenge fantasy against women who aren't attentive to children... then that could be a really bad sign for what he'd do with Leia's character...
@ISeeAnIsland

That is all kinds of awful. Sad

Ugh.

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Post by Tex on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 8:50 pm

@Saracene wrote:I'm pretty certain that if that character was a male instead, absolutely no one would have batted an eye at his death or felt disturbed.
@Saracene

That's very possible. It could have been the movie crowd I was with too. I recall a lot of people laughing joyfully as if she had gotten what she deserved. Then I again I'm not big on horror films. I don't find senseless killing humorous.
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Post by Tex on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 9:11 pm

@AceofWands wrote:
@vaderito wrote:BTW, Hidden Figures has more running in heels than anything in JW. All those progressive uber-smart NASA heroines run in their heels again and again and again. Especially Katherine. 

Point is, women do run in heels, nothing unusual, regressive, etc.
@vaderito

The hills are actually the least of JW's problems. It's actually a pity that the discussion centered on that. It just dilutes the issue and gets silly.

Same thing with Colin Trevorrow. It's a pity that the discussion turns to the lack of women directors. Being a man is not CT's fault, and is certainly not why people don't want him.

That said, some mediocre or bad directors, and creators, sometimes have a spur of brilliance. Maybe that will be the case with Episode IX. Otherwise, I'm sure it will be garbage. And yeah, "Disney will intervene" does not solve the issue. Movies made by committee are lackluster.

OTOH, Han's movie sets up a precedent!  Very Happy  And I even wonder if the announcement to replace the directors was not rushed due to Colingate, as a way to reassure fans that they have their eyes on the franchise, and if a director messes up, they will do something.

As to BOH... Well, it's a movie that basically infantilizes a grown woman and portrays her as incapable of living without a man. CT didn't write it, but he chose to direct it. He wasn't given the script by a studio. This script must have spoken to him on a personal level... I don't even want to think what level.

From my part, I'll wait and see the movie, but I have a hard time imagining me being excited for a movie directed by Colin Trevorrow.

But of course, complaining makes no difference.

@Tex, it didn't disturb me when I watched it, but I thought it was pointless. Frankly, in that movie there are so many deaths that I wasn't emotionally involved with any danger, and being not emotionally involved, it came out as sort of goofy and ridiculous. But then, perhaps it is goofy and ridiculous making fun of the woman?



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So there seems to be some running themes in CT's movies. Or maybe I should say strong views on women's roles? So far we've seen multiple scenarios with revenge against women, women being punished for going against there "maternal mandate" and shows women being incapable with out a man. Confus

Also the bold above made me laugh. It does make you wonder. I hope in Kylo's road to redemption he doesn't steal the movie away from Rey.
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Post by Armadeus on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 12:23 am

When it comes to Jurassic World, Claire is actually my favourite character in that movie. My problem is with how everyone else in this movie treats her. I mean, she's just doing her job, which is running Jurassic World... and somehow this is... wrong? I don't know...

I've said this before, but the scene I cringe at the most is when the mother of the kids just bursts into tears when she finds out Claire isn't spending enough time with them. It might seem like a small thing, but it leaves me frustrated and angry beyond all conceivable measure.

I can't tell if the people in this film are insane... or just plain stupid.

Then again, I can't get too mad, since I don't think Jurassic World's characters are the most stupid/frustrating people in the franchise. The Lost World retains that crown.
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Post by snufkin on Sun 25 Jun 2017, 10:14 am

@Armadeus wrote:
I've said this before, but the scene I cringe at the most is when the mother of the kids just bursts into tears when she finds out Claire isn't spending enough time with them. It might seem like a small thing, but it leaves me frustrated

That's been brought up before about the whole "you're a bad aunt" business because the big shocker for the next movie may be how badly Luke screwed up when entrusted with his sister's kid.
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Post by snufkin on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 6:25 pm

This is a big piece of good news, especially that he's also writing the BBC's adaption of His Dark Materials. Haven't seen his other stuff, but the one person I interact with on Film Twitter who's a UK film nerd follows him, so that actually makes me feel really good (because I respect this person's taste) Star Wars: Episode IX' Gets a New Writer

Jack Thorne, the British scribe who wrote the upcoming Julia Roberts-Jacob Tremblay movie Wonder, has been tapped to work on the Star Wars installment that is to be directed by Colin Trevorrow.

Trevorrow and his writing partner Derek Connolly wrote the most recent draft of the script and were working off a treatment by Rian Johnson, who wrote and directed Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the eighth installment of the sci-fi fantasy that opens December 15.

Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver and Oscar Isaac are expected to return – but you never know who a Star Wars movie may kill off so don’t get too comfortable – with the installment eyeing a production start in January 2018.

The movie has a release date of May 24, 2019.

Thorne is the creator or co-creator of several British television shows, dramas and thrillers, including The Fades, The Cast-Offs, The Last Panthers and National Treasure.

While those don’t sound like the Star Wars wheelhouse, writing on these two more recent programs bring him closer: His Dark Materials, BBC’s adaptation of the fantasy by Philip Pullman, and Philip K. d****’s Electric Sheep for Channel 4.

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Post by Birdwoman on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 6:29 pm

I just saw the news. Yes!!

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Post by IoJovi on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 6:29 pm

@Mrs Ben Solo

Every time this thread pops up with a notification, I'm all like, oh dear lord what now.... Laughing

Interesting because Colin Trevorrow had stated the rough draft for IX has been completed about a month ago. I suppose it must have gone over like a lead balloon. I'm glad to see LF is taking their quality seriously.

I have read that as a director he can get great performances out of people, so I'm fine with him staying on in that regard.

I've never heard of the person they're bringing on, but I am more hopeful than I was with Colin.
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Post by Helix on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 6:43 pm

@IoJovi wrote:
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Every time this thread pops up with a notification, I'm all like, oh dear lord what now.... Laughing

Interesting because Colin Trevorrow had stated the rough draft for IX has been completed about a month ago. I suppose it must have gone over like a lead balloon. I'm glad to see LF is taking their quality seriously.

I have read that as a director he can get great performances out of people, so I'm fine with him staying on in that regard.

I've never heard of the person they're bringing on, but I am more hopeful than I was with Colin.
@IoJovi

One can imagine what that draft must've been like. Part of me hopes it ends up online one day. Laughing
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Post by snufkin on Tue 01 Aug 2017, 6:45 pm

@IoJovi - it's a dumb benchmark, but the fact that this guy who I follow and sometimes chat with on Twitter who's in the UK and massive film snob follows this guy, that's a huge positive in my book. Like I trust this guy's judgement, especially in talking about the film history and business for the UK. Also a huge positive is that he's the writer for the BBC's adaption of His Dark Materials, like anybody who's read those books has already seen the thematic parallels with TFA. Especially with Rey and the themes they're hinting at in the Force plot. If he can write Lyra Belacqua, then he can handle Rey. The wildcard does remain Trevorrow in not f**king it up. Although from all the backlash/fall out that Book of Henry unleashed, it sounds like the job will basically be mapped out by producers and the different area specialists. Like he just has to work with the actors. So the risk factor is way less.
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