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Post by DeeBee on Sun 22 Oct 2017, 6:50 pm

@PalmettoBlue wrote:
WhatGirl wrote:Also worth noting: Han's death is called a sacrifice. This is very important too. He wasn't an unknowing victim who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. The term sacrifice denotes informed intention. He knew there was a chance he'd die, yet he decided to go out onto that bridge anyway.

And who did he sacrifice himself for? They all could've escaped without interacting at all with Kylo. So Han's sacrifice was not about easing their escape; revealing himself to his son actually did the opposite and made escape much more difficult. I think it's clear that he sacrificed himself for Ben, and this isn't going to be wasted by just having him stay on the wrong side.
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Exactly. That’s what so many people fail to grasp: if Ben Solo isn’t redeemed, then JJ & co. killed one of the most beloved characters in Star Wars for nothing. It’s beyond tragic.

But, if that single act sets him on the road to redemption (and I believe it has), then his death will be incredibly meaningful, and not just for the Skywalkers. Think of all the damage an unredeemed Kylo Ren would wreck. With his sheer power, he could surpass Vader himself.

I’d also add that Rey has now seen the worst of Ben Solo, and she’s seen his reaction. Deep down, she knows he regrets what he’s done.

Like Kylo, I’m an optimist - I see them going to better places from here.
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I love this!!!
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Post by Saracene on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 4:21 am

WhatGirl wrote:Also worth noting: Han's death is called a sacrifice. This is very important too. He wasn't an unknowing victim who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. The term sacrifice denotes informed intention. He knew there was a chance he'd die, yet he decided to go out onto that bridge anyway.

And who did he sacrifice himself for? They all could've escaped without interacting at all with Kylo. So Han's sacrifice was not about easing their escape; revealing himself to his son actually did the opposite and made escape much more difficult. I think it's clear that he sacrificed himself for Ben, and this isn't going to be wasted by just having him stay on the wrong side.
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I guess the difficulty for some people is that, while from Han's point of view Han's death is a sacrifice, from Kylo's end it's very much a murder. It's a matter of, what outweighs what for you, especially when the movie gave many viewers a very poor sense of the father/son relationship. If you don't care about that relationship and you don't care about Kylo, Han's sacrifice is just not going to register much.
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Post by Guest on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 2:14 pm

@Saracene wrote:
WhatGirl wrote:Also worth noting: Han's death is called a sacrifice. This is very important too. He wasn't an unknowing victim who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. The term sacrifice denotes informed intention. He knew there was a chance he'd die, yet he decided to go out onto that bridge anyway.

And who did he sacrifice himself for? They all could've escaped without interacting at all with Kylo. So Han's sacrifice was not about easing their escape; revealing himself to his son actually did the opposite and made escape much more difficult. I think it's clear that he sacrificed himself for Ben, and this isn't going to be wasted by just having him stay on the wrong side.
@WhatGirl

I guess the difficulty for some people is that, while from Han's point of view Han's death is a sacrifice, from Kylo's end it's very much a murder. It's a matter of, what outweighs what for you, especially when the movie gave many viewers a very poor sense of the father/son relationship. If you don't care about that relationship and you don't care about Kylo, Han's sacrifice is just not going to register much.
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I think it will be Rey's perspective that is ultimately going to matter, since in the interview Carter says it was important that she witnessed that.

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Post by vaderito on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 2:16 pm

WhatGirl wrote:  

I think it will be Rey's perspective that is ultimately going to matter, since in the interview Carter says it was important that she witnessed that.
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Yeah and better cause otherwise it would be just sticking her in an important scene for the heck of having her there. But if they actually address it and show her perspective (maybe she and Kylo talk about it? Is that when he gives "Let the past die" speech?) it will be powerful.
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 2:31 pm

@vaderito wrote:
WhatGirl wrote:  

I think it will be Rey's perspective that is ultimately going to matter, since in the interview Carter says it was important that she witnessed that.
@WhatGirl

Yeah and better cause otherwise it would be just sticking her in an important scene for the heck of having her there. But if they actually address it and show her perspective (maybe she and Kylo talk about it? Is that when he gives "Let the past die" speech?) it will be powerful.
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Yeah, if Kylo and Rey come to any kind of understanding at all, they will have to have the "Han conversation", and not because Kylo killed her 5-minute-father, but because she had nobody and he killed a member of his family, and she needs to understand why he did that to really move forward with him in anything beyond a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" type of situation.
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Post by Guest on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 2:31 pm

@vaderito wrote:
WhatGirl wrote:  

I think it will be Rey's perspective that is ultimately going to matter, since in the interview Carter says it was important that she witnessed that.
@WhatGirl

Yeah and better cause otherwise it would be just sticking her in an important scene for the heck of having her there. But if they actually address it and show her perspective (maybe she and Kylo talk about it? Is that when he gives "Let the past die" speech?) it will be powerful.
@vaderito

Anti Kylos think the purpose of having Rey there was to show how evil Kylo was for killing her father figure. This article is truly a diamond in the rough as it plainly states that the reason she's there was to witness Han's forgiving touch on his son.

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Post by vaderito on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 2:46 pm

WhatGirl wrote:  
Anti Kylos think the purpose of having Rey there was to show how evil Kylo was for killing her father figure. This article is truly a diamond in the rough as it plainly states that the reason she's there was to witness Han's forgiving touch on his son.
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Rian's favorite musical:

We'll find a new way of living,
We'll find a way of forgiving
Somewhere . . .

There's a place for us,
A time and place for us.
Hold my hand and we're halfway there.
Hold my hand and I'll take you there


KK:

Was there anything from the original films they struggled to echo in The Force Awakens? “I think we can’t explore in quite as much detail issues of compassion, the way [Lucas] did in terms of the values of the Jedi,” Kennedy says. “But we’re going to get there, let’s put it that way. In the arc of all three movies, that will increase.”

http://ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-luke-skywalker-hooked-jj-abrams/
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Post by reylo1992 on Mon 23 Oct 2017, 6:52 pm

A small detail in Bloodline that I hadn't noticed before:

“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night, Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here, and—”
“And you’re a dad.” Leia had leaned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think, hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”
Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting that old.”
― Claudia Gray, Bloodline

I don't take it as a proof that Kylo will get a love interest but still he was barely born that the novel already talks about potential (Reylo) babys for him one day Wink And Han's comment as a foreshadowing that he wouldn't get old enough to know his grandchildren Sad
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Post by Night Huntress on Tue 24 Oct 2017, 5:52 am

@reylo1992 wrote:A small detail in Bloodline that I hadn't noticed before:

“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night, Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here, and—”
“And you’re a dad.” Leia had leaned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think, hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”
Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting that old.”
― Claudia Gray, Bloodline

I don't take it as a proof that Kylo will get a love interest but still he was barely born that the novel already talks about potential (Reylo) babys for him one day Wink And Han's comment as a foreshadowing that he wouldn't get old enough to know his grandchildren Sad
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Yes, I noticed that too- and it might be a hint, because Claudia Gray said that she had to fight for every mention of Ben in the book.
So if they allowed this flashback conversation to be in Bloodline it could be a foreshadowing Confus


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Post by Night Huntress on Tue 24 Oct 2017, 5:52 am

sorry double post Embarassed
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Post by SoloSideCousin on Tue 24 Oct 2017, 8:23 am

@Night Huntress wrote:
@reylo1992 wrote:A small detail in Bloodline that I hadn't noticed before:

“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night, Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here, and—”
“And you’re a dad.” Leia had leaned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think, hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”
Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting that old.”
― Claudia Gray, Bloodline

I don't take it as a proof that Kylo will get a love interest but still he was barely born that the novel already talks about potential (Reylo) babys for him one day Wink And Han's comment as a foreshadowing that he wouldn't get old enough to know his grandchildren Sad
@reylo1992

Yes, I noticed that too- and it might be a hint, because Claudia Gray said that she had to fight for every mention of Ben in the book.
So if they allowed this flashback conversation to be in Bloodline it could be a foreshadowing Confus
@Night Huntress

I agree. Under the extremely restrictive terms that Claudia Gray wrote about Ben Solo, the fact that they let even the word "grandkids" get through could be a very big deal.
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Post by Kessel on Tue 24 Oct 2017, 9:48 pm

@reylo1992 wrote:A small detail in Bloodline that I hadn't noticed before:

“Never imagined this,” Han had murmured, sitting up in their bed late at night, Ben’s tiny head resting in the crook of his father’s arm. “Having a kid. Even wanting a kid. But now he’s here, and—”
“And you’re a dad.” Leia had leaned closer, unable to resist the chance to tease her husband. “Just think, hotshot. Someday you might even be a granddad.”
Han’s chuckle had warmed her. “Speak for yourself, sweetheart. Me, I ain’t ever getting that old.”
― Claudia Gray, Bloodline

I don't take it as a proof that Kylo will get a love interest but still he was barely born that the novel already talks about potential (Reylo) babys for him one day Wink And Han's comment as a foreshadowing that he wouldn't get old enough to know his grandchildren Sad
@reylo1992

It's been a while since I read Bloodline, so I forgot about that quote, but I remember loving it when I first read it!

@SoloSideCousin- even though the line itself isn't total proof of anything dispositive, I agree that the way Disney/LF is so strict with the story, the fact that they let a line like that in is a good thing. Smile
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Post by reylo1992 on Wed 25 Oct 2017, 3:41 pm

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Post by tukicarreno on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 7:24 pm

I have a feeling that while most people are not expecting to be a kiss in TLJ, it will happen and that will be one of the big moments in the film. Super unexpected but oh so epic! Cannot wait for that moment!.. bounce I love you
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Post by Armadeus on Sat 28 Oct 2017, 11:50 pm

Everybody's favourite mythologist Joseph Campbell makes an interesting observation



Campbell: "...Why didn't you let go? You would have lost your life..." Everything else in his life dropped off. His duty to his family, his duty to his job, his duty his own career, all of his wishes and hopes for life just disappeared and he was about to go. And his answer was, "I couldn't let go... If I had let that young man go I could not have lived another day of my life."

This is the breakthrough of a metaphysical realization that you and the other are one, and that the separateness is only the effect of the temporal sensibilities of time and space. And true reality is in that unity with all life. It is a metaphysical truth that is spontaneously realized because its the real truth of your life.
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Post by reylo1992 on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 8:17 am

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Post by SheLitAFire on Sun 29 Oct 2017, 9:06 am

Remember this from when Daisy Ridley was on social media? Lolilol
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ETA: this was from an archived thread (summer of 2016), I had been trying to search for it just to remind myself of the proof
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Post by rey09 on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 8:55 am

So there is a big rumour on tumblr (via reddit?) going around that amazon accidentally posted the TLJ soundtrack titles. People claiming that a couple tracks were called "The Prince and the Scavenger" and "Is there still good in him?" Sounds tooo good to be true....

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Post by DarthRen on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 9:04 am

@rey09 wrote:So there is a big rumour on tumblr (via reddit?) going around that amazon accidentally posted the TLJ soundtrack titles. People claiming that a couple tracks were called "The Prince and the Scavenger" and "Is there still good in him?" Sounds tooo good to be true....
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It's in the crack thread and most likely fake. Lucas Films are very secretive about these things but it is very pro Reylo orientated and I like it. Twisted Evil
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Post by Darth Dingbat on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 12:53 pm

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Blushing Rey and broken heart Kylo. Oh my.
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Post by DarthRen on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:00 pm

@Darth Dingbat wrote:
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Blushing Rey and broken heart Kylo. Oh my.
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You can see on top Rey emoji with hearty eyes. cheers lol! lol! lol!
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Post by Rei of Sunshine on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:17 pm

@Darth_Awakened

LFL HAS CLEARLY BEEN LURKING
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Post by DarthRen on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 1:20 pm

About these emojis. The wrath of uncle Luke. lol!

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