Discussion: Spoilers/Rumors

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Judging by the fade of the scar, I'd say it's towards the end (did I mention he looks delicious here?). However, the wording seems like it'd be from the beginning, especially with the part about Leia waiting for Luke and Rey. As a matter of fact, that quote seems like it's entirely from Leia's point of view. It definitely doesn't sound like Kylo being ripped wide open, or being one half of the protagonist, the way Rian Johnson has so nicely put it.

@IoJovi wrote:

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Judging by the fade of the scar, I'd say it's towards the end (did I mention he looks delicious here?). However, the wording seems like it'd be from the beginning, especially with the part about Leia waiting for Luke and Rey.  As a matter of fact, that quote seems like it's entirely from Leia's point of view.  It definitely doesn't sound like Kylo being ripped wide open, or being one half of the protagonist, the way Rian Johnson has so nicely put it.

@IoJovi

Are the pictures in chronological order? If so, we could try to guess by the page number...

@ioJovi I don't think that books know the order of scenes. They get images and write whatever. It's a stupid sticker book. They have no clue.

@vaderito wrote:@ioJovi I don't think that books know the order of scenes. They get images and write whatever. It's a stupid sticker book. They have no clue.

@vaderito

Clearly...

Maybe Kylo is supposed to interrogate Rey again?

I know it's just a fun children's book, but that paragraph is kind of nuts, "Kylo wants to destroy the Resistance, but his Mom won't let him!" The only place you typically can go in a story like that is Leia sends him to his room without supper and eventually he feels bad for being a jerk to his mom and apologizes/hugs her."

@snufkin wrote:

@Kylo Men wrote:

@snufkin wrote:
"He thinks he's doing the right thing" - both DR and JB have said that they buy into the characterization that Kylo's gone bonkers because he thinks that his actions are driven by a higher purpose and the greater good. Which would fit in with the press quotes that Luke tried to groom Ben as the next Chosen One and every Space Hamlet monologue. Solo Jr. cracked like a show pony for reasons the filmmakers haven't shown yet, but he got handed that responsibility by Luke and it's driven him over the bend. And he may not have ever been the actual Chosen One, it may have been part of trying to keep up family appearances because they can't admit how grandpa actually fulfilled the prophecy.

@snufkin

One thing I would like about the Space Hamlet monologue, especially if it's about liberty, would be that it isn't redeemed Kylo - it's maximum Kylo.  

@Kylo Men

Hopefully we'll find out! Though my personal enjoyment of the character would go in the toilet if he turned out to be the Star Wars version of the guy who's read Ayn Rand and then never shuts up about it. He may or may not get redeemed if that were the case, definitely not getting laid.

@snufkin

Noooooooooo, not Ayn Rand!!!   We do not need space Paul Ryan.  And as you said, he would so not get the girl.

@snufkin wrote:I know it's just a fun children's book, but that paragraph is kind of nuts, "Kylo wants to destroy the Resistance, but his Mom won't let him!"  The only place you typically can go in a story like that is Leia sends him to his room without supper and eventually he feels bad for being a jerk to his mom and apologizes/hugs her."

@snufkin

We need a "Where the Wild Things Are" picture book of this story.  

@Lily Snape We don't need one of those here either. At least so far, it feels like Hux fills the role of dead-eyed idealogue. I'm guessing that Kylo will be more like Space Hamlet thanks to Luke saddling him with the whole Chosen One business. And yes, the last page should be, "and it was still hot." Though not until Kylo apologizes to his mom.

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Let me see:

- obviously FO ship
- no cape
- the scar is no prominent (although it could be lighting)
- Kylo is using the Force (I wonder why - is he force chocking someone granpa style?, or reaching for something?)
- he doesn't look upset, no sad puppy either, he looks even quite determined

yeah, I would also put it a bit later in the movie.

@snufkin wrote:@Lily Snape We don't need one of those here either. At least so far, it feels like Hux fills the role of dead-eyed idealogue. I'm guessing that Kylo will be more like Space Hamlet thanks to Luke saddling him with the whole Chosen One business. And yes, the last page should be, "and it was still hot." Though not until Kylo apologizes to his mom.

@snufkin

I think "Emo Kylo Ren" even has Hux talking about Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead or something.  Kylo has some prattle about order in the TFA novelization, but I think, as Pablo Hidalgo said, he's a spiritualist and Hux is a technocrat, and order is probably not really that important to him.  I think he's Space Hamlet, as you said, in so many ways, the uncertainty being the big one.  The very characteristic that made Hamlet the most modern of Shakespeare's characters makes Kylo an unusual, modern villain.

@Lily Snape - Having been a debate/student government nerd in school (the source of my cracks about Padme reminding me of a high school student council president), Hux is very much that guy. Which unfortunately a lot those guys never actually got beyond whatever mindset they had at that age and are now using it to dictate policy. Kylo/Ben is different, just as lost and having bought into a cause. But he's uncertain, which makes him very distinct from Hux and Phasma.

That sticker book, though! I found the source ya'll pulled it from and it's about Leia as a heroic leader. Which would've been awesome to have as a kid because she was my favorite. But it's going to be like Leia and the very bad no good horrible day because you have her kid going against her - no wonder Carrie called him an a**hole! And who knows if her buddy Holdo ends up trying to stab her in the back, which means the only actual female friendship they've ever shown is Leia and Rey, who's now stuck trying to drag Leia's worthless hippie brother back. Maybe the title of the sticker book should be Your Mom Has Been Trying to Hold this Goddamn Galaxy Together for Decades Now, Like Maybe Show Her a Little Respect and Stop Being a Darkside Jerk.

@Darth_Awakened wrote:

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Let me see:

- obviously FO ship
- no cape
- the scar is no prominent (although it could be lighting)
- Kylo is using the Force (I wonder why - is he force chocking someone granpa style?, or reaching for something?)
- he doesn't look upset, no sad puppy either, he looks even quite determined

yeah, I would also put it a bit later in the movie.

@Darth_Awakened

Final showdown with Snoke, Rey and Praetorian Guards? It looks like towards second half of the movie.

@Darth_Awakened wrote:

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Let me see:

- obviously FO ship
- no cape
- the scar is no prominent (although it could be lighting)
- Kylo is using the Force (I wonder why - is he force chocking someone granpa style?, or reaching for something?)
- he doesn't look upset, no sad puppy either, he looks even quite determined

yeah, I would also put it a bit later in the movie.

@Darth_Awakened

Interesting! This DOES look like he's conflicted and in a tumultuous moment. Can we fast forward to December already?

@DarthRen wrote:

@Darth_Awakened wrote:

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Let me see:

- obviously FO ship
- no cape
- the scar is no prominent (although it could be lighting)
- Kylo is using the Force (I wonder why - is he force chocking someone granpa style?, or reaching for something?)
- he doesn't look upset, no sad puppy either, he looks even quite determined

yeah, I would also put it a bit later in the movie.

@Darth_Awakened

Final showdown with Snoke, Rey and Praetorian Guards? It looks like towards second half of the movie.

@DarthRen

Could he be turning his Jedi powers on Snoke?  (Trying to, anyway.)

I am more interested in what's shown on page 28.

@soulluos wrote:I am more interested in what's shown on page 28.

@soulluos

It seems like a beach/sand or something. Rey and Luke. She has still her TFA hairstyle and she'll have a different hairstyle later on Ach-To and Crait.

@DarthRen wrote:

@soulluos wrote:I am more interested in what's shown on page 28.

@soulluos

It seems like a beach/sand or something. Rey and Luke. She has still her TFA hairstyle and she'll have a different hairstyle later on Ach-To and Crait.

@DarthRen

I think that's the beach scene that little Irish girls filmed:

@vaderito wrote:

@DarthRen wrote:

@soulluos wrote:I am more interested in what's shown on page 28.

@soulluos

It seems like a beach/sand or something. Rey and Luke. She has still her TFA hairstyle and she'll have a different hairstyle later on Ach-To and Crait.

@DarthRen

I think that's the beach scene that little Irish girls filmed:

@vaderito

So based on those images^^ and the one of Kylo on page 28, I'm assuming these scenes are somewhere in the middle of the film. Where exactly is that picture from? Very interesting that they would be still referring to Kylo as wanting to destroy the Resistance. So that means something towards the end of the movie is gonna make him snap and do the "unexpected." All of these teasers are starting to make my brain hurt o.O There's SO many possibilities...

I think the pic on Page 28 is a view of Rey leaving for Ahch-To from behind... (You can read 'brother's help' & 'friend Rey')

@kroi wrote:I think the pic on Page 28 is a view of Rey leaving for Ahch-To from behind... (You can read 'brother's help' & 'friend Rey')

@kroi

Agreed. Must be why the OP didn't bother with scanning that page but only TLJ-relevant:

https://sleemo.tumblr.com/post/165662841732/how-great-does-amilyn-holdo-look-here-this-is

I think this is the same sky and part of the Falcon like on page 28:

@IoJovi wrote:

@vaderito wrote:I think this image is from the end of the movie. I can't place it at the beginning:

@vaderito

Judging by the fade of the scar, I'd say it's towards the end (did I mention he looks delicious here?). However, the wording seems like it'd be from the beginning, especially with the part about Leia waiting for Luke and Rey. As a matter of fact, that quote seems like it's entirely from Leia's point of view. It definitely doesn't sound like Kylo being ripped wide open, or being one half of the protagonist, the way Rian Johnson has so nicely put it.

@IoJovi

Soooo the ultimate question, if the text is referring to past tense, what's on page 30???

Sticker book has no clue about the order of scenes. They just get images and prepared text or something.

I'm not sure how spoilerific Pablo Hidalgo's TLJ Visual Guide will be but it's out there in the hands of translators so there might be a chance of leaks from that.

Mrs Ben Solo wrote:I'm not sure how spoilerific Pablo Hidalgo's TLJ Visual Guide will be but it's out there in the hands of translators so there might be a chance of leaks from that.

@Mrs Ben Solo

Yeah, he seems to keep things pretty vague... the TFA one for instance had hints re: Kylo's heritage but never straight out said whose kid he was.