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Post by Birdwoman on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 4:14 pm

I can see Hux ordering something similar to the order 66 from ROTS, to try and kill Kylo. My head cannon would be: Kylo is in his individual ship with his two tie fighter escorts, they pull back and shoot his tie fighter, causing it to crash. He ends up crashing on some planet, they don't know if he is a live or dead. Hux takes over the FO and starts a hunt for Rey....

I hope that we have some kind of bounty hunters in the next movie. Searching for the traitors....

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Post by nickandnora on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 4:25 pm

@madeinmn wrote:
@nickandnora wrote:I've been talking about this bit by bit in this thread so far, but going along with the prediction that Hux is going to stage some kind of move or coup against Kylo, it occurs to me that the KoR might be the only ones that we know of who can successfully "trap" (don't know if that's the right word) Kylo and harness/immobilize his powers if they are indeed the former students of Luke and skilled in the dark force. Otherwise, I don't know what chance Hux stands, and I definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY think that's where the story is going. So that has to be it.
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^^^^^ This has been bothering me too. I think the coup idea is fascinating, but I just couldn't get my head around how that work. Ben can crush Hux in an instant, so the minute he suspected an uprising wouldn't he bring the whole thing down? Just seemed like Hux would have to have an "ace up his sleeve" (along with that dagger WTH ) to take down our lonely but powerful Supreme Leader.  Ben trashed Luke's training camp, and it was full of Force users. So, yes, if the KoR hold the secret to keeping Ben's Force power in check, hmmm...THAT would be very, very interesting  Confus

So the following takes my crackpot ideas one step further, but in terms of shooting in the dark on a specific story outline:

Depending on how in depth they want to get into WHO the KoR are, all it would take is one of them overhearing a force bond chat between Kylo/Rey (I don't think they will have many, but I do think they will have one major one close to the beginning of the film that may cause the rest of the plot to unravel) that makes it clear that he was the one who killed Snoke, go to Hux with the information, and then, because there are half a dozen KoR (right?) they basically overpower and cage Kylo with their minds, and keep him in some kind of literal and/or metaphorical cell where Hux and Co. can channel the dark force inside him to endlessly power large, nuclear type weapons. Essentially a human battery. In that respect, Hux doesn't even have to stage an *official* overthrow of power. Whatever evil the FO does can be done under the guise that it's Kylo ordering it, when really Hux will be using him (keep in mind I don't know that *actual* mechanism for how he does this, but you get the idea). This will confuse Rey until the end of the film when she realizes what's happening.

(Using the dark side to literally power weapons is something that exists from extended universe stuff, right? Theory is partially based on that, and largely based on the loaded statements about weapons this past film as well - I touched upon this briefly in another post).

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Post by Let The Past Die on Tue 16 Jan 2018, 4:35 pm

@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@Let The Past Die wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:
@ISeeAnIsland wrote:
@IoJovi wrote:
@nickandnora wrote:I've been talking about this bit by bit in this thread so far, but going along with the prediction that Hux is going to stage some kind of move or coup against Kylo, it occurs to me that the KoR might be the only ones that we know of who can successfully "trap" (don't know if that's the right word) Kylo and harness/immobilize his powers if they are indeed the former students of Luke and skilled in the dark force. Otherwise, I don't know what chance Hux stands, and I definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY think that's where the story is going. So that has to be it.
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This is an excellent point.  I'm one of those who doesn't think Ben's role of Supreme Leader will last, but at the same time, i find it hard to believe Hux is going to be the one to take him down alone.  If he had the FS KoR on his side though, that's a very different story and I could see Ben getting into a predicament he can't get out of - at least, not without a certain scavenger's help who comes to his rescue reluctantly after discovering his situation through the Bond.
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Same. I read a theory elsewhere that perhaps the students who went with Ben were originally planted by Snoke in Luke's group.

That could be a really interesting setup--they could have possibly helped contribute to Ben's corruption, and it easily explains why they slaughtered the rest of the students and went with Ben. And it would also hint that their loyalty was more likely to Snoke himself, rather than to Ben...and set up an easy explanation (that doesn't require much exposition) as to why the KoR might side with Hux in a coup attempt.
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I would love for them to look as bada** as they do in Rey's vision.  Ohhhh speaking of which- I know Pablo once said Rey's vision might be partly true, just images may not be as accurate as what happens in reality.  I gotta wonder if we'll still see the Salad Bowl head scenario play out in IX with Rey on the ground and Ben stabbing him...  Shocked
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Salad Bowl that's an inspired description of the character who I believe I read somewhere was a clan leader. cheers
It's a scene that I keep thinking about, where it looks like Kylo by killing Salad Bowl is saving Rey. So to see that you mention what Pablo said about being partly accurate is interesting. Especially in that vision where we see Kylo in the mask in the snowey forest, but the reality he was without the mask when it played out later ( that's how I saw it)
There is very little about Kylo killing Salad Bowl/ clan leader in respect to him saving Rey, I know it's a blink and you miss it moment, but I thought there would be more made of it but it's either talking about KOR ( I really hope they come back for IX) or just the mention that it's a clan leader. I honestly thought there would be more speculation on Kylo saving Rey. As we know every visual shot we see on screen has meaning, they don't waste valuable screen time. Has there been talk  about this on here and I've missed it? Plus when he strides toward her with such purpose and intent ( be still my beating heart) but not in a threatening way, more a you are mine and are you ok way...lol
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Oh yes. There has been MUCH speculation on this forum about Salad Bowl/clan leader. There was even a discrepancy in the TFA credits as to who that character was--the TFA credits listed him as a Knight of Ren; but Pablo at one point said that "the script calls him as a 'clan leader'".

That discussion dropped quite a bit off when we started hearing rumors that the KoR would likely not be making much, if any, or an appearance in TLJ.

Search back through some of the older TFA threads on the TFA part of the forum to see the older discussions around Salad Bowl and Rey's Forceback vision.
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 9:29 am

Just giving something a little thought... I for one will be really surprised if the Knights of Ren don't make an appearance in IX. We're going to need a few capable foot-soldier villains and with the baggage of the knights being former students of Luke Skywalker who fell alongside Ben there's the potential for genuine emotional exploration. Like, JJ would have to be a damn fool not to take advantage of what Rian set up in TLJ.

For all intents and purposes Kylo grew up with and trained alongside these individuals, all of whom may have been twisted by Snoke over the years. I'm thinking some of them could be loyal to Ben, while others were loyal to Snoke and may aid Hux in staging the very foreshadowed coup. That takes the internal conflict up several notches right there because it's not just weak a** Armitage "thrown around like a doll" Hux vs. Kylo.

The knights have also been directly mentioned and alluded to now over two films. Two movies of build-up to just... not show them? Yeah right. There's legit no reason not to feature them. They look awesome (see: TFA), they're all Force Sensitive and could serve as and would certainly boost the continuity in the ST. Maybe Hux and Kylo could send some of them to hunt down the Resistance.

As for one of them being female I don't see why she would automatically have to be romantically interested in Kylo. She doesn't have to be a Bellatrix-level villain creeper. Just personally I would really rather the first female dark sider in the films not be some sexually promiscuous, skimpily-clad villainess with a one-sided crush on Renperor. It's such a lame archetype. Just blah. We can do better, right JJ? RIGHT?

*pictures Rey and female Knight of Ren fighting in gold bikinis over Renperor*

Hmm. This could get the fanboy crowd on-board, no? Laughing
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Post by Night Huntress on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 10:21 am

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I'm indifferent about the KoR to be honest. After watching Rey's force-back in TFA I was very curious and wanted to know more about them, but now after TLJ I just don't care anymore.  Nope

If they bring them back and they serve the story- fine. If not, I won't miss them.

I just hope they will write a good redemption arc for Kylo/Ben. That's almost all I care about... and of course Reylo but I think these two go hand in hand.

A big part of the GA and also the fandom believes he is beyond redemption- or at least can't redeem himself without dying in the process.
In my opinion they must have him do something really amazing- a big selfless act... I don't know. Maybe even something like saving force-sensitive children? Since we have some kind of reverse Anakin story. Anakin killed the Jedi-Younglings and Kylo saving the force sensitive children like broom boy- instead of seeing them as rivals or a threat he has compassion? How exactly that would happen I have no idea...

Maybe Hux is going on a secret hunt for them since force-users are dangerous for him and the FO? And Kylo/Ben finds out? Maybe far fetched..but I would like something similar to happen.
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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 10:37 am

I wouldn't say that I necessarily care about the Knights of Ren. I'm just basing my observations on story structure. They've been mentioned more than enough now and I would be genuinely surprised if IX didn't feature them. That's all.
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Post by giaciak2 on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 11:43 am

I lost my post. I rewritten it because it seemed interesting to me.
First , thank you all . You are wonderful and I can read so many nuances in your reviews.
I wanted to offer you this reflection.
I'm reading the book TFA in Italian language.
One thing struck me.
When Rey finds the sword she has a vision. In the book she is struck by a knight (Knight of REN?) . A metal arm grabs her. She sees a man dressed in black. It is recognized by Kylo Ren. Kills the knight who hit her.
He takes her. Bring her in safe place. He tells her. I will keep you to you "honey". I swear. And go away to fight.
As I read it, the knight with the metal arm is him Kylo Ren. He saves her and takes her to safety. But he promises her that he (at least he) will come back to her.
Is this the same way in the English version?.
Could it mean that Kylo will lose an arm too? Could it be the price of his redemption?
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Post by MrsWindu on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:32 pm

@giaciak2 wrote:I lost my post. I rewritten it because it seemed interesting to me.
First , thank you all . You are wonderful and I can read so many nuances in your reviews.
I wanted to offer you this reflection.
I'm reading the book TFA in Italian language.
One thing struck me.
When Rey finds the sword she has a vision. In the book she is struck by a knight (Knight of REN?) . A metal arm grabs her. She sees a man dressed in black. It is recognized by Kylo Ren. Kills the knight who hit her.
He takes her. Bring her in safe place. He tells her. I will keep you to you "honey". I swear. And go away to fight.
As I read it, the knight with the metal arm is him Kylo Ren. He saves her and takes her to safety. But he promises her that he (at least he) will come back to her.
Is this the same way in the English version?.
Could it mean that Kylo will lose an arm too? Could it be the price of his redemption?
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I know the part you mean - in one paragraph she sees seven cloaked men illuminated by a burning temple. In the next paragraph she sees a figure falling to his knees places his metal hand onto R2. Next paragraph it’s the barren snowy woods where she here’s ‘that’ voice that says they’ll come back for her and the term ‘sweetheart’
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Post by Kessel on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:18 pm

I’m interested in seeing the KOR in Episode IX and I think we’ll definitely see them, but I wonder how having six FS darksiders plus Kylo is going to play out when there’s only Rey on the light side. This is pure personal preference, but I hope that doesn’t lead to some battle of lightsiders vs. darksiders. I have zero interest in seeing Rey gathering a group of light side Force sensitives like Broom boy a la the X-Men to go head to head against Kylo’s band of darksiders.

I hope there’s something more creative and personal than that at play in Episode IX.

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Post by Let The Past Die on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:22 pm

@giaciak2 wrote:I lost my post. I rewritten it because it seemed interesting to me.
First , thank you all . You are wonderful and I can read so many nuances in your reviews.
I wanted to offer you this reflection.
I'm reading the book TFA in Italian language.
One thing struck me.
When Rey finds the sword she has a vision. In the book she is struck by a knight (Knight of REN?) . A metal arm grabs her. She sees a man dressed in black. It is recognized by Kylo Ren. Kills the knight who hit her.
He takes her. Bring her in safe place. He tells her. I will keep you to you "honey". I swear. And go away to fight.
As I read it, the knight with the metal arm is him Kylo Ren. He saves her and takes her to safety. But he promises her that he (at least he) will come back to her.
Is this the same way in the English version?.
Could it mean that Kylo will lose an arm too? Could it be the price of his redemption?
@giaciak2
Here is piece I think you mean from the adult novelistion.

Nearby, a lightsaber slammed into the ground. A missed thrust, a statement of power—she didn’t know, couldn’t tell. A hand appeared to pull it upward. Day became night, sky ominous and filled with rain, cold and chilling to the bone. She was standing, she was sitting, she was looking up—to see someone, a warrior, take the full force of the lightsaber. He screamed and fell. Battlefield then, all around her. Putting a hand to her mouth, she rose and turned. As she turned, she found herself confronted by seven tall, cloaked figures, dark and foreboding, all armed. Soaked and shivering, she stumbled backward, turning as she half fell. Firelight illuminated her, firelight from a distant, burning temple. The seven vanished. A sound made her turn, and she blinked in surprise at the sight of a small blue-and-silver R2 unit. A new figure appeared. Falling to his knees, he reached out to the droid with an artifice of an arm—metal and plastics and other materials with which she was not familiar. She blinked and both were gone

The Italian version is obviously reading differently, how strange. Hopefully the English version helps.
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Post by rawpowah on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:32 pm

@Kessel wrote:I’m interested in seeing the KOR in Episode IX and I think we’ll definitely see them, but I wonder how having six FS darksiders plus Kylo is going to play out when there’s only Rey on the light side. This is pure personal preference, but I hope that doesn’t lead to some battle of lightsiders vs. darksiders. I have zero interest in seeing Rey gathering a group of light side Force sensitives like Broom boy a la the X-Men to go head to head against Kylo’s band of darksiders.

I hope there’s something more creative and personal than that at play in Episode IX.
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I hope so too. I wouldn't mind it if the KOR turn out to be much younger than we expect (like 14-15 year olds that will end up being trained by Reylo or something), or if they are fighters of Kylo's age whose loyalties are divided between Kylo, Snoke, and what remains of the FO for added drama. In the fics I've read that feature the knights there's always some sort of division between them and competition for who can kill Kylo and become the new Master. It would be a shame if fanfics turned out to be more creative and personal than the actual movie lol.

I'm really not here for Rey magically training 6 Broom Boi kids in 20 minutes after reading a book, when much more experienced Jedi took decades to achieve this. The fandom wank would be too much lol. And it would be boring to have a band of lightsiders vs one of darksiders, like you said.
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Post by Saracene on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:05 pm

I expect the Knights of Ren simply because we can't have an epic trilogy conclusion without serious lightsaber action. Rey and Kylo could potentially fight and it of course would be emotionally charged as hell, but at the end of the day I just don't see them having a genuine to-the-death fight. Rey and Kylo already fought a bunch of non-sensitives. Fighting a group of fellow force users, whether it's Rey and Kylo together or one of them, would raise the level significantly from the guards.
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Post by snufkin on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:06 pm

@rawpowah Rey magically training 6 Broom Boi kids in 20 minutes after reading a book, when much more experienced Jedi took decades to achieve this. sounds exactly like Uncle Luke's Bible Camp, which we know went bad because Luke didn't know what he was doing.
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Post by Kessel on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:30 pm

@rawpowah wrote:
@Kessel wrote:I’m interested in seeing the KOR in Episode IX and I think we’ll definitely see them, but I wonder how having six FS darksiders plus Kylo is going to play out when there’s only Rey on the light side. This is pure personal preference, but I hope that doesn’t lead to some battle of lightsiders vs. darksiders. I have zero interest in seeing Rey gathering a group of light side Force sensitives like Broom boy a la the X-Men to go head to head against Kylo’s band of darksiders.

I hope there’s something more creative and personal than that at play in Episode IX.
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I hope so too. I wouldn't mind it if the KOR turn out to be much younger than we expect (like 14-15 year olds that will end up being trained by Reylo or something), or if they are fighters of Kylo's age whose loyalties are divided between Kylo, Snoke, and what remains of the FO for added drama. In the fics I've read that feature the knights there's always some sort of division between them and competition for who can kill Kylo and become the new Master. It would be a shame if fanfics turned out to be more creative and personal than the actual movie lol.

I'm really not here for Rey magically training 6 Broom Boi kids in 20 minutes after reading a book, when much more experienced Jedi took decades to achieve this. The fandom wank would be too much lol. And it would be boring to have a band of lightsiders vs one of darksiders, like you said.
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I think you bring up a good point about there not being not being enough time for Rey to train anyone. What would be more likely if they went with lightsiders vs. darksiders is that there will be other “awakenings” in the Force; people able to join in the fight who don’t need training, but I hope not and I don’t really think this will happen because it minimizes Rey’s specialness as the light rising up to meet Kylo’s darkness.

I’m curious about the relationship dynamics between Kylo and the KOR. I know they’re darksiders, but they’re not Sith so I don’t think there’s necessarily that inherent rivalry. From what little we know, I get the impression they’d be loyal to Kylo since he’s their “master.” Of course that doesn’t mean something couldn’t fracture that loyalty. I wonder if they formed the KOR after learning about some dark side lore and artifacts while with Luke and I still feel like there might be a connection between them and the Acolytes of the Beyond.

At the same I wonder whether Snoke actually initiated Kylo’s interest in being like Vader because in TLJ he kept comparing Kylo to Vader and calling him his heir.

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:44 pm

@Kessel wrote:I’m interested in seeing the KOR in Episode IX and I think we’ll definitely see them, but I wonder how having six FS darksiders plus Kylo is going to play out when there’s only Rey on the light side. This is pure personal preference, but I hope that doesn’t lead to some battle of lightsiders vs. darksiders. I have zero interest in seeing Rey gathering a group of light side Force sensitives like Broom boy a la the X-Men to go head to head against Kylo’s band of darksiders.

I hope there’s something more creative and personal than that at play in Episode IX.
@Kessel

Having the KoR split into factions or flat-out being loyal to Snoke (and not Ben) could really open up some interesting possibilities.

If the KoR are at least, in part, loyal to Snoke, they're not going to be happy if/when the truth comes out that Ben was the one who killed their master. So, even if they have no love for Hux, that alone would be motivation for them to turn on Ben.

If some of the KoR side with Ben, that would give a more balanced fight without Rey having to have a classroom full of Broom Bois to even things out. You could also have a scene or two with Rey talking to one of the KoR on Ben's side, where she could learn more about his past/adolescence--which could be a good way to build some more sympathy for him.
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Post by vaderito on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:46 pm

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Post by rawpowah on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:52 pm

@Kessel

The Alcolytes of the Beyond is a connection I keep thinking about as well. Since they're Vader fanboys (like Snoke), they might be in conflict with Kylo if they think Vader's grandson isn't living up to his dark side legacy.

We also don't exactly know what happened after Kylo blew up the hut at the academy and how the relationship between him and Luke's other students was like. Were some reluctant to join Kylo? Did the students meet Snoke and did his teachings influence them? If Snoke's teachings were influential, they would certainly be pissed off about Kylo killing him.

I feel like TLJ raised more questions instead of answering them Laughing


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Yes, I want an epilogue like that as well.
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Post by nickandnora on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 7:12 pm

So, a few pages ago I talked about Maz and speculated on the likelihood that she had spoken to a young Ben Solo at one point in his life, and that we just haven't seen it yet. I rewatched The Force Awakens today and something just occurred to me that fits in with this idea.

It was during the "Kylo talks to his grandfather" scene (which is great, btw), where we see that misshapen mask. I think the "joking" question on everyone's minds when that scene occurred was, "Where did he get THAT, lol?" But for the first time, I was like: "No wait, seriously: where DID he get that?"

Because there's only one character who has thus far been shown to be in possession of other strange, "where did she get THAT?!" force-relics: Maz (the main one being the lightsaber). What if she DID gift that Darth Vader mask to a young Ben on some sojourn that he and Han took to her castle when he was little, and she told him something that parallels what she told to Rey. Why? I don't know! But it kind of makes sense that this is where he got it, right?

I mean sure, the much less interesting explanation is that somehow Snoke and some other dark side wannabes found it because it was totally cool, but again, I just find it interesting that the only character that we *really* know tracks this stuff down for a living is Maz.

Interestinggggg...

ETA: I realize I might be thinking too deeply about this, and I recognize there's a short story that some say explains how Kylo got the helmet (though interestingly, it also involves Maz's castle), but it's interesting to speculate if that mystery is going to be answered in-film.

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Post by FrolickingFizzgig on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 8:24 pm

@nickandnora wrote:So, a few pages ago I talked about Maz and speculated on the likelihood that she had spoken to a young Ben Solo at one point in his life, and that we just haven't seen it yet. I rewatched The Force Awakens today and something just occurred to me that fits in with this idea.

It was during the "Kylo talks to his grandfather" scene (which is great, btw), where we see that misshapen mask. I think the "joking" question on everyone's minds when that scene occurred was, "Where did he get THAT, lol?" But for the first time, I was like: "No wait, seriously: where DID he get that?"

Because there's only one character who has thus far been shown to be in possession of other strange, "where did she get THAT?!" force-relics: Maz (the main one being the lightsaber). What if she DID gift that Darth Vader mask to a young Ben on some sojourn that he and Han took to her castle when he was little, and she told him something that parallels what she told to Rey. Why? I don't know! But it kind of makes sense that this is where he got it, right?

I mean sure, the much less interesting explanation is that somehow Snoke and some other dark side wannabes found it because it was totally cool, but again, I just find it interesting that the only character that we *really* know tracks this stuff down for a living is Maz.

Interestinggggg...

ETA: I realize I might be thinking too deeply about this, and I recognize there's a short story that some say explains how Kylo got the helmet (though interestingly, it also involves Maz's castle), but it's interesting to speculate if that mystery is going to be answered in-film.
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I believe it says in Pablo Hidalgo's first visual dictionary that the mask was salvaged by Kylo from the funeral pyre on Endor. I could be wrong but I have a distinct memory of reading that.
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Post by nickandnora on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 8:56 pm

@FrolickingFizzgig Ohh, ok. I thought I had read something about a short story that implied a stormtrooper had lifted it (or lifted "something") from Endor, and then one of the women at Maz's castle was making a delivery to a special client and the implication was that it was Kylo... and I just found it interesting that it referenced Maz's castle at all. Or maybe it's all the same thing.

In truth though, I'm not a fan of supplemental material because it really muddies my nice straightforward readings of the foreshadowing using visual cues from the films alone. Smile

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Post by ISeeAnIsland on Wed 17 Jan 2018, 9:31 pm

@nickandnora wrote:So, a few pages ago I talked about Maz and speculated on the likelihood that she had spoken to a young Ben Solo at one point in his life, and that we just haven't seen it yet. I rewatched The Force Awakens today and something just occurred to me that fits in with this idea.

It was during the "Kylo talks to his grandfather" scene (which is great, btw), where we see that misshapen mask. I think the "joking" question on everyone's minds when that scene occurred was, "Where did he get THAT, lol?" But for the first time, I was like: "No wait, seriously: where DID he get that?"

Because there's only one character who has thus far been shown to be in possession of other strange, "where did she get THAT?!" force-relics: Maz (the main one being the lightsaber). What if she DID gift that Darth Vader mask to a young Ben on some sojourn that he and Han took to her castle when he was little, and she told him something that parallels what she told to Rey. Why? I don't know! But it kind of makes sense that this is where he got it, right?

I mean sure, the much less interesting explanation is that somehow Snoke and some other dark side wannabes found it because it was totally cool, but again, I just find it interesting that the only character that we *really* know tracks this stuff down for a living is Maz.

Interestinggggg...

ETA: I realize I might be thinking too deeply about this, and I recognize there's a short story that some say explains how Kylo got the helmet (though interestingly, it also involves Maz's castle), but it's interesting to speculate if that mystery is going to be answered in-film.
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Yes! I have not read it yet, but my understanding is the novela "The Perfect Weapon" strongly hints that bounty hunter Batine Netal acquired the mask as a special assignment from Kylo:

https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Weapon-Journey-Force-Awakens/dp/B0179WTNBI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516246121&sr=8-2&keywords=the+perfect+weapon

(The author, Delilah Dawson also wrote the Phasma novel, which has been one of my favorites of the new canon books.)
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Post by Gemlake on Fri 19 Jan 2018, 6:15 am

Maybe in Episode IX, we will see a reverse of the scene showing Luke "sensing" the evil in young Ben. If (when) Kylo is redeemed, Rey might "see" the darkness lifted from him. Of course, we could see this through Ben's actions. But JJ might want to have a dramatic moment to signify the event.

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Post by lauvamp on Fri 19 Jan 2018, 6:45 am

I hope this is a prediction, I don't want to see Rey like this: "I am just a super good girl and I'm totally pleased with my life now / friends / place", I do hope JJ will give us a character who is not a complete person yet AND keeps an inner conflict towards Kylo/Ben.
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Post by Teo oswald on Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:30 pm

I'd like to see the KORs because JJ gave us a taste of it

now my mind is working
have you ever thought that Rey's vision when she touches the lightsaber is an event of the future?
of course you did it Smile
but what do you think if KOR find Rey and Kylo killing one to save her
  is the scene that we will see in episode IX, only that in place of the mask of Kylo we see his face? Rey in the vision has never seen the face of kylo but only his mask, in the starkiller base she saw his face for the first time.

It seems impossible to me that JJ has put a scene with the KOR and in the last film they do not appear.
 
also the man who kylo kills is a KOR ,the actor has confirmed, even the credits.
  what do you think about it?
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Post by lauvamp on Fri 19 Jan 2018, 5:20 pm

@Teo oswald

I'd love to see the KOR! It would be cool if the vision is an event of the future.

More of my wishes:

- Reylo connection after Leia's funeral. It would work perfect to get again a forgiving Rey as soon as she feels Kylo's pain > Kylo needs her > She wants to comfort him but they are enemies > inner conflicts again > romantic tension/drama resurrects.

- Episode IX marketing, seriously, more Adam/Daisy photos and interviews together.....when Rian said they were "two halves of our protagonist" I thought it would be more natural to see them interacting. But as far as I know, Mark and John got more chances / interviews / pictures with Daisy, than Adam (both TFA and TLJ promos). It was a bit disappointing. Why is it so difficult?
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