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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 9:44 pm

@SheLitAFire wrote:Poe was originally meant to die in TFA, until Isaac convinced JJ to keep his character around (like during filming, right??) lol Obviously the BFG trio wasn't really planned at the very beginning. It was always supposed to be Rey & Kylo, first and foremost.
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How naive I was to think that keeping Poe alive would not affect the narrative. OMG, it affected it in exponential ways! If Poe died, as intended in TFA, the 'trio' would have remained Rey, Ben, and Finn. Moreover, Poe was present in narratives for Ben (with Leia, his mother - Lando, his uncle - and flying the Millenium Falcon, which is also a symbol for Ben.)

It is interesting how the MILLENIUM FALCON became in afterthought and secondary in TRoS, which also happened to Ben. Sigh
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Post by OrionStars on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 10:00 pm

@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:
@SheLitAFire wrote:Poe was originally meant to die in TFA, until Isaac convinced JJ to keep his character around (like during filming, right??) lol Obviously the BFG trio wasn't really planned at the very beginning. It was always supposed to be Rey & Kylo, first and foremost.
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How naive I was to think that keeping Poe alive would not affect the narrative. OMG, it affected it in exponential ways! If Poe died, as intended in TFA, the 'trio' would have remained Rey, Ben, and Finn. Moreover, Poe was present in narratives for Ben (with Leia, his mother - Lando, his uncle - and flying the Millenium Falcon, which is also a symbol for Ben.)

It is interesting how the MILLENIUM FALCON became in afterthought and secondary in TRoS, which also happened to Ben. Sigh
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The saddest and most ironic thing is OI regretted what he did and admitted that Poe should have died in TFA, which is too late anw.
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 10:13 pm

@OrionStars wrote:
@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:
@SheLitAFire wrote:Poe was originally meant to die in TFA, until Isaac convinced JJ to keep his character around (like during filming, right??) lol Obviously the BFG trio wasn't really planned at the very beginning. It was always supposed to be Rey & Kylo, first and foremost.
@SheLitAFire

How naive I was to think that keeping Poe alive would not affect the narrative. OMG, it affected it in exponential ways! If Poe died, as intended in TFA, the 'trio' would have remained Rey, Ben, and Finn. Moreover, Poe was present in narratives for Ben (with Leia, his mother - Lando, his uncle - and flying the Millenium Falcon, which is also a symbol for Ben.)

It is interesting how the MILLENIUM FALCON became in afterthought and secondary in TRoS, which also happened to Ben. Sigh
@SW_Heroine_Journey

The saddest and most ironic thing is OI regretted what he did and admitted that Poe should have died in TFA, which is too late anw.
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I wasn't sure if he expressed regret, so that does ease my Reylo/Bendemption angst, but I do still feel, "Oscar! If only!" lol I still think he's very talented, and will probably love Dune, etc a lot, but with this, I'm just...grr.

As an aside - wasn't Daisy and John supposed to appear on the Graham Norton recently? But it appears it was only Daisy. Hmm (if it was originally supposed to be both of them...i.e. I wonder if his recent outburst caused his cancellation, or maybe that's why he was a jerk?)
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Post by SheLitAFire on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 10:35 pm

@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:

As an aside - wasn't Daisy and John supposed to appear on the Graham Norton recently? But it appears it was only Daisy. Hmm (if it was originally supposed to be both of them...i.e. I wonder if his recent outburst caused his cancellation, or maybe that's why he was a jerk?)
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Daisy just said John was very sick when she was on Graham Norton and apologized that it was just her.
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Post by SW_Heroine_Journey on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 10:48 pm

@SheLitAFire wrote:
@SW_Heroine_Journey wrote:

As an aside - wasn't Daisy and John supposed to appear on the Graham Norton recently?  But it appears it was only Daisy. Hmm (if it was originally supposed to be both of them...i.e. I wonder if his recent outburst caused his cancellation, or maybe that's why he was a jerk?)  
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Daisy just said John was very sick when she was on Graham Norton and apologized that it was just her.
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Very sick?  I am wondering if that is really true? (Admittedly feeling suspicious about it because the appearance is a form of publicity for TRoS, and it's obvious he's waging a form of war against good publicity now/around that time).  

PS looks as though that was Henry Cavill sitting next to her? (I've only seen gifs *blush*).   Very Happy Smile
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Post by californiagirl on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 11:13 pm

The thing about the OT3 is that even they didn't get along very much at all in the first two thirds of the trilogy. It's a great fun to watch them constantly going at each other. Everything's all hunky dory in ROTJ though, which made their dynamic less interesting in that last installment.

Also saw sleemo saying this press tour gave her so many trust issues, and someone commented to her that many of the interviews don't make sense in hindsight (it truly is baffling). A lot of people were hurt by TROS, but of everyone, sleemo is the least deserving of getting smacked down by this film and its creators. She's better than most mainstream media, isn't getting paid for it, and is always so positive and generally the antithesis of toxic fandom. And yet she and other Reylos are the ones who get shafted by the film and mistreated by online jerks. Still, it's good to see many fans applying their skills to other topics or projects, or otherwise picking themselves up and continue to carry on. This wasn't the message or real-life narrative I expected to take from the ST, but there it is.
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Post by nickandnora on Wed 01 Jan 2020, 11:22 pm

@californiagirl wrote:but of everyone, sleemo is the least deserving of getting smacked down by this film and its creators.
Can you elaborate on her role, because I'm curious. Did she talk to the creators or actors at any point? Or do you mean she was "smacked down" simply the way a regular fan was perhaps blindsided by the events of the film?

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Post by special_cases on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 12:44 am

@nickandnora Sleemo is unofficial SW news account on Twitter, she was acknowledged even by LF publicist because she is best source for news.

I also think suspect that she is a WOC and was of course hurt by Rose's situation because she is Rose's fan.

I imagine that it's very depressing to make the work she was doing out of passion and to discover that a lot of in press tour was lies, lies, lies..

IIRC @ZioRen suggested ( or someone else, please, forgive me, if I'm wrong) that we should do some kind of Gofund me for her, to give her gift for her hard work. I'm now sure that we should do it, at least Reylos who are on Twitter. I will try to talk about this in some GC on Twitter.
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Post by ZioRen on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 12:47 am

@special_cases wrote:@nickandnora Sleemo is unofficial SW news account on Twitter, she was acknowledged even by LF publicist because she is best source for news.

I also think suspect that she is a WOC and was of course hurt by Rose's situation because she is Rose's fan.

I imagine that it's very depressing to make the work she was doing out of passion and to discover that a lot of in press tour was lies, lies, lies..

IIRC @ZioRen suggested ( or someone else, please, forgive me, if I'm wrong) that we should do some kind of Gofund me for her, to give her gift for her hard work. I'm now sure that we should do it, at least Reylos who are on Twitter. I will try to talk about this in some GC on Twitter.
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I can't take credit; I saw a few Reylos saying that outside of here and agreed so I posted it here! I still do think she deserves that, for sure.

I'm really loving all these Reylo fundraising campaigns. They made one for Adam and now another for Daisy, I say let's add Sleemo, too!
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:00 am

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Post by OrionStars on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:09 am

This is a BTS leak from egoshoppe, a friend of obversa(a famous Reylo on reddit), he's also a mod of r/saltierthancrait/






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Here's what I've been told from a source that worked on TROS.

Since shortly after release weekend, I’ve been corresponding with someone who worked closely on the production of TROS and works for one of the major companies I cannot disclose here. I have verified the source to my satisfaction. To protect the source, I am rewording what we spoke about over the last two weeks and am submitting it to you in bullet point format I have written based on what they told me. The TLDR is that they were upset with the final product of TROS and wanted to share their perspective on how it went down and where it went wrong.

  • The leakers for TROS had an agenda and are tied to Disney directly. My source confessed that they have an agenda as well in that they struggle with ignoring what’s been happening to someone who they think doesn’t deserve it.



  • JJ always treated everyone on and offset with respect so my source’s agenda is that what Disney has done to JJ and how much they screwed him over should be something people are at least aware of, whether you like him as a filmmaker or not.



  • Disney was one of the studios who were in that Bad Robot bidding war last year. Disney never had much interest in BR as a company but they did in JJ because they saw WB (who JJ went with in the end) as a major threat.



  • JJ is very successful at bringing franchises back like Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. WB is struggling with DC and aside from Wonder Woman, DC is still seen as a bit of a joke in its current state by the GA.



  • WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.



  • My source mentioned this shortly after the premiere: “The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on”.



  • JJ was devastated and blindsided by this. He’s been feeling down over the last 6 months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production and the audio was rerecorded and altered. My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.



  • Apparently, JJ felt threatened over the month leading up to the premiere.



  • Rian was never meant to do IX despite some rumors that he was.



  • JJ was brought back by Iger, not KK. Disney insisted on more fan service, less controversy.



  • JJs original agreement when he signed on was indicating he would have way more creative control than he did on TFA. It became evident this wasn’t the case only a couple of weeks into shooting when the trouble with meddling started.



  • JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.



  • May 2019: JJ argued that those scenes were crucial. He had to let go of one of the scenes. The other scene he insisted on was approved at first. He did reshoots and additional photography in July. The new scene was shot at BR in October.



  • The “ending that will blow your mind” was a part of this. Older actors were included like Hayden, Ewan and Samuel and anyone who wasn’t animated. The force ghosts weren’t meant to be voices because they shot that footage on camera. The actors were in costumes. Rey was supposed to be surrounded by the force ghosts to serve as sort of a barrier between her and the Sith surrounding them.



  • My source thinks but can’t 100% confirm that this is because of China. It’s an office talk of sorts. Some VFX people claimed they got a list of approved shades of blue they could use on the Luke force ghosts. Cutting this out was when the bad blood turned into a nightmare for JJ because the movie he was making was suddenly unrecognizable to him in almost every way.



  • My source knows JJ well enough to know that he’s just not the yelling type but apparently in a meeting he yelled something along the lines of “Why don’t you just put ‘directed and written by Lucasfilm’ then?” My source wasn’t present for that exchange but knows some who were.



  • Disney demanded they shoot some scenes that would have things in it for merchandise. “They fly now” is one of them. It’s also JJ’s least favorite scene. At a November screening of a 2:37 cut, he cringed, groaned and laughed when the scene was on.



  • My source says that JJ was most likely not joking when he said “you’re right” in the interview where they asked him about TROS criticism.



  • JJ’s original early November cut was 3 hours 2 minutes long.



  • In January, JJ suggested that they turn this into two films. My source told me this well before Terrio mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago. When Disney said no, JJ was content with making this 3 hours long.



  • Over a period of 9 months JJ started realizing that one by one his ideas and whole scenes were being thrown out the window or entirely altered by people who have “no business meddling with the creatives”.



  • They were not on the same page when it came to creative decisions and it became obvious that Disney had an agenda in addition to wanting to please shareholders. Disney could “afford messing up IX for the sake of the bigger picture” when it came to protecting things unrelated to IX.



  • The cut JJ eventually and hesitantly agreed to in early December was 2:37 minutes long. It wasn’t the cut we saw which he wouldn’t have approved of (and which is 2:22 long). Apart from the force ghosts, there were other crucial and emotional scenes missing. The cut they released looked “chopped and taped back together with weak scotch tape” (JJ's words).



  • The movie opened with Rey’s training. Her first scene with Rose was shortly after Rey damaged BB-8 during the training. Rose made a silly joke about how Poe is going to kill her for damaging BB-8. There was a moment where Rey took a minute to process what just happened when she saw that vision during training. She looked distressed and worried. The next scene was noise as the Falcon was landing and Rey runs over there. Those two women who kissed at the end were visible in this shot and they were holding hands. One of them ran towards the Falcon as it landed.



  • Kylo on Mustafar scene was 2 mins longer. There was a moment where Kylo seemed a bit dizzy and his vision was shown as blurry for a second. Almost as if time half-stopped while everyone in the background was slow-mo fighting. Kylo hears Vader's breathing, then shakes his head and time goes back to moving at a normal pace and he jumps right back into the battle (the scene from the trailer where he knocks that guy down which did end up in the movie later).



  • They cut some of the scenes from the lightspeed skipping segment. Some of the planets that were cut were Kashyyyk, Naboo, and Kamino.



  • The scene where the tie fighters are chasing them through the iceberg - those corridors were inspired by a video game JJ used to play in the 90s called Rebel Assault 2 (the third level in the game with the tunnels on Endor specifically).



  • Jannah was confirmed to be Lando’s daughter.



  • Rey not only healed Kylo's face scar but she killed Kylo when she healed Ben. Kylo ceased to exist when Rey healed him. My source mentioned that some people assume it was Han Solo who healed him but that isn’t true and that wasn't Han Solo. That was Leia using her own memories as well as Ben's to create a physical manifestation of his own thoughts to nudge him towards what he needed to do. That was her own way of communicating that with him. And it wasn't possible without her dying in the process. She made the ultimate sacrifice for her son and this flew over people's heads with the Disney cut.



  • The late November cut (the last cut JJ approved of) had scenes with Rose and Rey still. JJ wanted to give her a more meaningful arc. Disney felt that that was too risky too. My source mentioned that Chris Terrio said that it was because of the Leia scenes but this is only partially true because she had four other scenes including two with Rey/Daisy that Leia was not in.



  • Finn wanting to tell Rey something was always meant to be force sensitivity. In the 3 hour cut, it’s explicitly stated. There was a moment when Jannah and he were running on top of that star destroyer and Finn needed to unlock or move something and he force-moved it and acted surprised when it happened. This was replaced with a CGI’d BB-8 fixing whatever he needed to fix on there.



  • Babu Frik was nearly cut because some execs at Disney thought he would be the new Jar Jar. They are really surprised that people love him this much. He was JJ's idea and was created in collaboration with some artists and puppeteers. The personality was all JJ.



  • There were a bunch of scenes where Rey and Kylo (separately) went through quiet moments of reflection to deal with what they were going through. On her part, her going through the realization that there's something sinister about her past. Him going through regret and remorse but trying to shut it out. My source said that the Kylo scenes were especially amazing because of Adam's performance and how he managed to portray that inner turmoil. It provided much more context and added deeper meaning to both his battle with Rey and the final redemption arc at the end. It didn't happen so suddenly and it was more structured than what we got.



  • The Kylo/Rey scene where he dies was at least 4 minutes longer with more dialogue. Ben was always supposed to die. Source also added that if he wasn’t, then that might’ve been in an earlier draft which they haven’t read. The first draft they read included Lando (the first few didn’t). The Reylo kiss and Ben’s death was not part of the reshoots. It was a part of the re-editing. Even the cut that JJ thought was coming out earlier this month had a longer version of that scene than what was shown in the theatrical cut.



  • JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom.



  • JJ was not happy with where TLJ took the story. The final result is a mix of that story and the story told by Disney and whoever they tried to impress (“certainly not the fans”). JJ is gutted over the final result. Star Wars means a lot to him. He had to sacrifice large chunks of the story in TFA but he was promised more creative control on TROS and instead the leash they had him on was only tightened as time went by. A source said that this is the one franchise and the one piece of his work that he didn't want to mess up and instead it turned into his worst nightmare. When he found out that he was blindsided with the cut they presented, he said "what the f****??" when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place.



  • JJ's cut still exists and “will always exist”. We most likely will never see it unless “someone accidentally leaks it.”


Ok, so there you have it. If there are questions, I will try to follow up with my source but it’s up to them if they want to share more so I cannot guarantee an answer.

Edit: I forgot one thing that the source wanted included, concerning FinnPoe in TROS:


  • The source asked about FinnPoe after seeing Oscar Isaac's comment about how Disney didn't want it to be a thing. This is true. JJ fought to make this happen. This is why Oscar is blaming Disney. It's not just a random throwaway comment. He knows for a fact that it was Disney because these discussions happened. The main cast is insanely close with JJ and are just as pissed, though seemingly more outspoken about it than JJ. During TFA, Disney was hesitant to hire John Boyega because a woman was front and center so they deemed that risky enough so bringing in a male lead who's black made them nervous. JJ fought to make that happen for about nine months before getting approval. The same issue came up when JJ fought to have Finn&Poe in TROS but he lost that battle as he lost many creative battles for this film. Many people, JJ included, came to the realization during this production that the story really is told by shareholders/investors instead of the creatives or anyone at Disney specifically. He tried to make a lot of things happen and was shut down because of this. They had him on a leash and many blame TLJ for the stricter creative approach.



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Post by special_cases on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:23 am

I don't know if this person is a friend of Observa, but it doesn't matter because this person is

- Finn stan and wanted Finn FS
- was loud antiReylo, toned down it but still low key hates it and was saying that JJ won't do it
- FinnPoe shipper
- hated TLJ, worst movie
- was saying that JJ will save them

So everything they are saying matches their preferences and wishes. I will never believe that JJ fought to make FinnPoe. That's not happening. Also Disney wanting to damage JJ and WB by damaging their own movie isn't happening too.
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Post by OrionStars on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:27 am

@special_cases wrote:I don't know if this person is a friend of Observa, but it doesn't matter because this person is

- Finn stan and wanted Finn FS
- was loud antiReylo, toned down it but still low key hates it and was saying that JJ won't do it
- FinnPoe shipper
- hated TLJ, worst movie
- was saying that JJ will save them

So everything they are saying matches their preferences and wishes. I will never believe that JJ fought to make FinnPoe. That's not happening. Also Disney wanting to damage JJ and WB by damaging their own movie isn't happening too.
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Yeah, I remember him. Both him and Obversa called out JediPaxis and SorryNotSpartacus because JP and SNS believed in the leaks. (this didn't age well because the leak was true) It seems like egoshoppe trusts his source very much and  I think someone is trying to protect JJ and paint him as a victim of the Mouse here, ehehe

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Post by Mila95 on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:41 am

I'm not buying JJ the martyr who fought for Finnpoe, more Rose and no reylo kiss lol I have no doubt this movie had heavy Disney meddling but it also screams all of JJs worst tendencies as a director so I also don't believe his control was very limited.

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Post by special_cases on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 2:49 am

@OrionStars FYI Observa insulted and blocked me for saying that the source for leaks is legit the same way she did it with SNS. Also attacked me on Twitter.

So I really don't know if trust their judgement on anything because they showed a tendency to believe only something they want to believe.

I agree that if there is a source, they just are trying to make JJ look better. There were also other fake reports that JJ wanted to make ST more complicated and close to PT. Ughh I don't believe it at all.
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Post by OrionStars on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 3:06 am



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We can't expect much from a man like this.
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I suspect that JJ is trying to do damage control too
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Post by motherofpearl1 on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 3:11 am

Whatever, they should never have killed Ben Solo.
Not only was he the last of the Skywalkers, he was far and away the best character. Everyone I speak to thinks the same, even those who didn't like TLJ or Reylo.

I remember a young woman who works in my local comic book shop. She's young enough to be my daughter and she quietly told me that not only did she find Kylo the best of the new bunch, but she found the other characters, and the Resistance, irritating. And this isn't just in the films but the comics. She also told me most of her customers thought the same, old fans and new.

If I had to choose between Reylo and Ben's survival I'd choose Ben every time. I'd happily read an ongoing comic series about his life post TROS, as long as they didn't end up killing him off. I have zero investment in the further adventures of Rey and the others. Rey was at her most interesting when she was interacting with Kylo/Ben. Now she's Mary Rey Sue she's even less interesting.

The pity is, Adam might have been persuaded to play Kylo again in the future, as he likes the character. Hugh Jackman played Logan/Wolverine in seven films, despite a successful career in other films, because he loved the character. But not only have they robbed him of that opportunity, but his treatment in TROS wascso unfair he will in all likelihood have nothing to do with the mouse in future.

As for me..... sadly Star Wars died with the last Skywalker. I will never see the ridiculous ending as hopeful. Kathleen Kennedy made the film she wanted to see. Iger destroyed the Skywalkers to suit corporate agenda.

I find it ironic how haters moaned that Rian ruined S W. He could have saved it. But they wouldn't let him.
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Post by OrionStars on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 3:21 am

D*mn, they're gonna brainwash the Reylo girls, the F!nnPoe shippers and followers of Wtforceshow too. Will this chaos ever end?

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Post by special_cases on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 3:36 am

@OrionStars Why do they believe a mod of SaltierThanCrait? Seriously, this place is full antiReylo and harassed Johnson in the past. Seriously? I saw that he said that he can't provide proof for his Reddit post. Will he provide proof for his chat discussion? They both were obsessed with denying leaks while everybody who has any tiny connections knew that these leaks are not made up. Why he suddenly has a source that HIGH that he can know Disney Evil Palpatine Plans to damage JJ's reputation because of WB?
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Post by Forsythia on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 3:50 am

Disney making a terrible film on purpose to make JJ look bad is hard to believe. They bought Star Wars because they want to make money, why throw it away like that?
What I can believe is that the film was heavily butchered last minute by Disney and is not what JJ wanted. There's so much in this film that doesn't make sense and seems like maybe they cut a lot of the original story and edited together a lot of scenes in an attempt to make the story work halfway. It's clearly not what JJ originally visioned and why would he throw away his original film to make the messy version we got? I wouldn't be surprised if Disney stepped in last minute, decided they didn't like the direction JJ went and instead created this terrible mess to "fix" TROS. It would also explain, why all the actors seem so down now and indicated they won't do Disney+. Also suspicious that we have heard a lot of weak and dishonest defences from Terrio or the editor, but JJ remains quiet and hasn't explained or defended TROS. Then there's also Pablo suddenly going private on Twitter shortly before the TROS release, which is weird because after having endured all the TLJ hate for nearly two years, it seems weird he wouldn't be up for dealing with possible TROS hate. And I still find it strange that the entire plot of TROS leaked so early and that it was leaked again 10 days before the premiere by a burger king ad that got a lot of attention online. That doesn't look like a normal leak but more like someone tried to sabotage the movie before it was released.
I wish we had a reliable source that could tell us what really went on behind the scenes. And if TROS isn't JJ's version but Disney's, I wish we could get a director's cut of it, but it's very unlikely to be released.
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Post by rawpowah on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 4:03 am

Sounds fake tbh. And this story coming from saltier than crait should really clue people in, but they'll probably eat it up.

And it doesn't matter how poignant they try to make Leia's sacrifice. At the end of the day it's useless because Ben dies anyway. He's just a cog in the machine.
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Post by ZioRen on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 4:30 am

Hoo boy does that seem convenient for JJ defenders/TLJ haters! Not buying it. I'm sure they'll have fun getting more people to pile on Reylo shippers, though. I know for a fact that anti Twitter is rabid for it after the scandal with Reylo antis showing their true colors yet again. Not to mention fanboy Twitter.
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Post by Piper Maru on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 4:35 am

Hmm, that source is bullshitting. A little bird (not involved in these leaks bs) told me some things and this ain't it. FinnPoe was never going to happen, unfortunately. And sorry to disappoint, but "Reylo" was always going to have romantic undertones.
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Post by Forsythia on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 4:42 am

"JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom." sounds like BS and contradicts the rest of what the leaker is saying. If Disney made a terrible movie to destroy JJ, why would they even want to please both sides of the audience?
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Post by Riri on Thu 02 Jan 2020, 4:48 am

A lot of this is shady to me, mostly becus its saltierThanCrait. Some of this seems true but i dont believe JJ didnt want reylo - Rian clearly set it up romantically. Also Kylos arc is about Rey taking his hand, the dyad concept, his sacrifice wouldn’t make sense if it wasnt love.

Why would JJ create the soulmates concept lol and Kylos love is what saves Rey? If he didnt want romance then they would have to rewrite Kylos whole arc. Also its obvious the Rey Kylo stuff is the only thing they advanced in TROS cus it was the best thing about TLJ


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